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Posted: 15 years ago

#11

^^ e mail forwards doing the round that the national anthem was actually composed by rabindranath tagore in honour and praise of King George 's visit to India and not a song sung in praise of our country so some people feel that vande mataram should have been more appropriate to be chosen as national anthem !

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Posted: 15 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: crazy_sunny
^^ e mail forwards doing the round that the national anthem was actually composed by rabindranath tagore in honour and praise of King George 's visit to India and not a song sung in praise of our country so some people feel that vande mataram should have been more appropriate to be chosen as national anthem !

yes, the man made world is sad, where homosapiens argue about which combination of tunes and words must be used to represent a common landmass.

Edited by jettythegod - 15 years ago

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return_to_hades

@return_to_hades

Stunner

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Posted: 15 years ago

#13

When I speak in English, I say India. When I speak in Hindi or any other Indian language, I say Bharat. I treat Bharat as the Hindi term. As far as I know Bharat Ganrajya also is our country's official name constitutionally.

I always viewed it as such

Deutscheland = Germany
Espana = Spain
Italia = Italy
Moskva = Moscow
Mexico (h sound) = Mexico (x sound)
Brasilia = Brazil
Bharat = India

Personally, I am against changing the anglicized name also to an 'Indian' sound. We do have an official Indian name that is true to our tradition. All of us must be expected to use it when communicating in our native tongues. However, I don't see why the anglicized name should be changed too, because it is a name of linguistic convenience.

However, if the majority of Indians feel that it should be Bharat in English too and everyone should use Bharat, Bhartiya etc. because for some reason a name alone can carry culture, heritage, history and tradition - then I guess its a democratic choice of majority. I feel that culture, meaning, history etc is much beyond a name and as long as we instill that in our hearts, a name does not make much difference.

Anyway, my only concern is that a lot of white people cannot say the 'bh' syllable correctly. They get 'b', they get 'h' they just don't get 'bh'. We had one of our white friends practice saying 'bho' continuously to see if he would get it. He kept choking on it every so often. So I think if we make it internationally 'Bharat'. We might get a lot of people calling our country "B-phlegm-a-rat'. Please don't take it the wrong way. Honest to God many a white man will say it that way. That is disconcerting to me at least.

However, if its only for Indians it would be alright. Although Indians would then have to clarify while speaking of our country to foreigners kind of like "I come from Bharat, known as India to you". "I'm going to Bharat this summer, known as India to you".

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Believe

@-Believe-

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Posted: 15 years ago

#14

What about the name 'Hindustan'😊

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4teen12

@4teen12

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Posted: 15 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: jettythegod

I prefered the english names but still I like bharat more in the national anthem.

You and us have gotten used to calling our country as India, no thanks to Firangies. Untill now, Chatrapati Shivaji Terminus was called Victoria Terminus. True, calling it CST is more cumbersome than VT, both in expanded form but then if it has to be a Bhartiya name then it better be.

Just to appease the (dis)comfort of accented firangies and/or some ABCDs (it also stands for Abroad Based Confused Desies), we cannot and should not live with the desease for ever.

I know of firangies calling India as Indeeia, stretching the 2nd 'i' in India longer than required, therby screwing the name.

Again, if Bharat has to be called Bharat, then we better get used to it !!

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return_to_hades

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Posted: 15 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: 4teen12

You and us have gotten used to calling our country as India, no thanks to Firangies. Untill now, Chatrapati Shivaji Terminus was called Victoria Terminus. True, calling it CST is more cumbersome than VT, both in expanded form but then if it has to be a Bhartiya name then it better be.

Just to appease the (dis)comfort of accented firangies and/or some ABCDs (it also stands for Abroad Based Confused Desies), we cannot and should not live with the desease for ever.

I know of firangies calling India as Indeeia, stretching the 2nd 'i' in India longer than required, therby screwing the name.

Again, if Bharat has to be called Bharat, then we better get used to it !!

Why not just Shivaji Terminus? And then how many Shivaji's are we supposed to have in the guise of being Bhartiya?

It seems absurd to call something with gothic Victorian architecture as Chattrapati Shivaji Terminus. Patriotism, respect for history, understanding of heritage - it has nothing to do with a name. Our country was under British rule, we cannot erase that fact of history no matter how many names we change. Sometimes we do need a reminder of the past, to know what lack of unity and oneness as a nation could repeat itself again in the future. Besides not every foreign influence has to be deemed negative and wrong.

Although no one can beat the French and their double stance on that glass pyramid.

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413185

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Posted: 15 years ago

#17

Deutscheland = Germany

shiat i thought it was dutch :P

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4teen12

@4teen12

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Posted: 15 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Why not just Shivaji Terminus? And then how many Shivaji's are we supposed to have in the guise of being Bhartiya?

It seems absurd to call something with gothic Victorian architecture as Chattrapati Shivaji Terminus. Patriotism, respect for history, understanding of heritage - it has nothing to do with a name. Our country was under British rule, we cannot erase that fact of history no matter how many names we change. Sometimes we do need a reminder of the past, to know what lack of unity and oneness as a nation could repeat itself again in the future. Besides not every foreign influence has to be deemed negative and wrong.

Although no one can beat the French and their double stance on that glass pyramid.

Why Chatrapati Shivaji ! – because, when one is given a knighthood, you generally, if not always, address him with the title- Sir as a mark of respect.

I wouldnt have batted an eyelid if Madras Central(now Chennai Central) Station was changed to Shivaji Central – another Shivaji in guise of being Bharatiya, in your terms.

Why absurd in calling it CST?! The building was constructed by Firangies and named after the queen to commemorate her golden jubilee, a selfish motive of no significance to free India now. Why stick to same name when we have done away with Firangies long back!

Above all, the renaming/replacing firangi names with meaningful Bharatiya names, is officially approved by legislation and final approval is given by the Central Government with logical reasoning and not merely out of Patriotism or to connect/disconnect with history.

We, as true citizens of Bharat, cannot disregard on purpose or out of ignorance, the blood and sweat sacrificed by our earlier generations, by glorifying the buildings constructed n retaining the names given by Firangies and colonial systems thrust upon us by them. Yet, at the same time, no one is erasing the historical structures, which reminds us enough of our past, to make our resolves stronger for a united India – if only all Bharat ke Naagrik think this way.

Unfortunately, though the ugly tree of British philosophy – "Divide and Rule" has been chopped off, yet there are some roots remaining underground, which need to be uprooted. Naming Bharat as Bharat is just one step to achieving that, if one thinks and feels the way I or 'Lakshya Bharat' does.

One has to survive in this Global World but one cannot forget the more wrongs done by Britishers than the good, if any, done while they ruled Bharat.

While on Fringy pronunciation, I am glad there are not many in Bharat to bother of firangies pronouncing T-a-j M-a-h-a-l with multiple degree of distortion, to really change it to 'Crown Palace'!!

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_Angie_

@_Angie_

Rocker

Posted: 15 years ago

#19

What about having a bhartiya rashtriya bhasha ?

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200467

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Posted: 15 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: angie.4u
What about having a bhartiya rashtriya bhasha ?

That's when all hell breaks lose and the so called proud bharatwasis scurry back to their mothertongue/local language and make desperate pleas for how it is superior to hindi - the so called rashtriya bhasha every bhartiya should ideally be proud of😆

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