Does Objectivity/absolute truth exist?

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Posted: 16 years ago
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You know, a lot in these days, people take offense in being preached/taught/lectured regarding anything, saying that 'no truth is absolute / there's no such thing as universal truth / objectivity doesn't exist' (hence they all are right in their own perspective, and no one else has got the right to preach them on what 'right' is, since 'righteousness' itself is subjective).

However to state that "no truth is absolute / there's no such thing as universal truth / objectivity doesn't exist'' is to make an objective/absolute/universal truth claim, hence it is a self contradictory statement to begin with.

What say?

Does objectivity exist, or is everything subjective?

Personally I believe that objectivity/absolute/universal truth does exist - but it is our perception of it which is subjective.

Others?

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Any particular reason why the DM had become this amount of inactive all of a sudden?
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Posted: 16 years ago
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perhaps everything is subjective as each is traversing ones own evolutionary path & acordngly sees things differently !
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Posted: 16 years ago
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The reason we are told that no absolute truth exists, because humans are so fickle that we would like to believe that we are the only ones who found it.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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If there's one thing that I think that we as humans have the power to do, it is the power to believe. We hold many beliefs for many different reasons, sometimes because we truly believe in something, sometimes because we think we ought to believe in something, sometimes for no reason, and other times because society, culture, faith, family forces it upon us. But our beliefs are so strong that sometimes they become blind and we fail to see things from perspectives other than our own.

And that is why we can easily believe something to be an absolute truth, to be objective and unquestionable, but we fail to see how someone else can find that exact "truth" subjective and open to question. For example, the existence of God (excuse from moving in that direction, it is the only example that comes to mind after having read the other topics) is considered an absolute truth by those who believe in Him. I can sit here and claim the existence of God to be an absolute truth, but someone who does not believe in his existence, can easily find the truth to be subjective.

That is why I think that perception changes impressions, therefore opinions, no matter how blinded by faith, cannot be claimed as objective. Because my belief may be an absolute universal truth in my mind, but that cannot be said the same for everyone. But going back to our power to believe, I think our faiths are so strong that we can believe something to be an absolute truth, it does not matter what other's say but rather what we perceive - and I think that is the power of faith, where even a subjective truth can be made objective.

Now can we claim that there is no such thing as an absolute truth because everything is subjective? Of course not - because that would be a claim to a universal truth itself. So at the end of the day, we are back to square one, and all this philosophical thinking is making me hungry. I should not have skipped lunch.
Edited by *Woh Ajnabee* - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Elaborating on subjectivity, as in the case of God etc. etc.

Say an object like a tree or a building exists. It is there fixated in that spot. However, depending on where you see it from you see a different angle of it. One who sees things from the sky has a different view from one who stands below the object. Each viewpoint is absolutely true yet completely different from the other. If you walk far enough, the object disappears from vision. And to many people, it ceases to exist as it cannot be seen. They are absolutely true in their view too.

A similar thing can happen in the opposite way. Sometimes due to vivid imagination, or other atmospheric phenomenon we see things that do not exist - like mirages. The object in the mirage like water etc, is actually not there, but since we vividly see it true to life, we are convinced it exists.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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To be completely honest, Yes it exists but not for us humans. Because, we are a part of universe, not outsiders observing from distance, we are totally immersed in it.
It's the case of someone who's on a merry-go-round, we will never know what's moving, our surroundings or us. So yes, there is an absolute truth, but just that we are a part of it and we can never know the whole picture.
Edited by VirgoVixen - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Doesn't it seem so acceptable and appealing to say that everything depends on perception?

Dunno but i feel it can be used as a very good excuse at times too to avoid doing the right !

Anyways, maybe philosophically speaking we can always say that its all relative, it all depends on the viewpoint of person but common man ,you can't go on defending corruption, terrorrism,etc on that basis ! Those are wrong, absolutely wrong in my opinion , whether one believes in absolute truth or not !

However, yeah , there are many things also wherein the point of "perception/relativity" is very important(as explained in posts above) ! And that is why one needs to be open-minded .

Talking about my belief in absolute truths, i guess they must exist, i think they might be the "Ideal Thing".Maybe they might not be the ones which we believe or consider as absolute truths presently, but i think its better to consider something as an absolute truth (after ofcourse logical and rational thinking based upon situational evidence) and letting it being proven wrong in due course of time (based upon situational evidence at that time) than not believing in absolute truths at all !

Edited by clodpolish - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: PhoeniXof_Hades

Any particular reason why the DM had become this amount of inactive all of a sudden?

😆 what's the point of giving a reason on DM? Someone will come and post a counter-point to the reason I may end up posting here😆 If I say there are no round triangles--- trust me someone will come and challenge that statement too😆 Hence, sorry, no particular reason comes to mind but may be it has something to do with all these recently opened heavy duty threads😆......j/k okie😊
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Gauri_3

😆 what's the point of giving a reason on DM? Someone will come and post a counter-point to the reason I may end up posting here😆 If I say there are no round triangles--- trust me someone will come and challenge that statement too😆 Hence, sorry, no particular reason comes to mind but may be it has something to do with all these recently opened heavy duty threads😆......j/k okie😊



Why yes, I must correct you if you are wrong. There actually is a sale on round triangle serving sets at Overstock.com.

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