A tribute to Dev & Radhika-Video Index: pg2, post2 - Page 46

Originally posted by: why6

Misti, this VM is for you based on your suggested song "mil gayi do lehren" from the movie "yeh vaada raha". This one is from Radhika's POV .

Thanks for the VM Angie..I was curious that if you make a VM of this song who is Rakhi's character going to be...Padma or Barkha...but knowing you I did guess that you might go for Padma.😉 I was thinking of Barkha due to the first two sentences...talab main kankar pheko to Radhika getting a a bad name and Zinda lash to when Barkha betrayed her...and then milgayee staring from when Dev started supporting her in the Sabha...Incase of Padma the scenario that I thinking of is quite similar to what you have shown.

Misti, this was a very nice choice for the song. I have to say I was skeptical when I first heard it. The initial scene came to me only when I made the VM on Chalhov's song and had downloaded this episode for that purpose. I like the songs from this movie, but was thinking that the other song suited Radhika more. But after listening to it again, I realized that I had scenes for this song and it is a great one from Radhika's perspective. Yes it is from Radhika's perspective and I am glad that although you were sceptical in the beginning you still attempted to amke a VM.

I have titled it "On the seashore of endless worlds". The title is taken from the first line of another poem by "Rabindranath Tagore." This is a beautiful poem that talks about children's innocence where they are playing on the seashore building sandcastles. They are oblivious to the world or danger around them and are just enjoying themselves. Misti, I think you can interpret this poem better than I can. So would love to read your analysis on the poem.Angie although the poem that you are talking about does mention children playing on the seashore...the innocence of childhood is actually not the real meaning of the poem. Inorder to understand the poem/songs written in Gitanjali one has to understand what Gitanjali is all about. Majority of the "poems" in Gitanjali are songs and if one reads the original bengali version one recognises a distinct pattern of rhyming/lyrical presentation of words that is very similar to Vaishnav tradition of writing songs. Majority of the these "poems" are metaphorical so although at first look they might appear as something that is tangible but they usually have a hidden spiritual meaning. Tagore's father Maharishi Debendranath Tagore was extremely well versed in the Upanishads and Tagore got his knowledge regarding Upanishads from him. It is the Upanishads that have influenced Tagore's works and the influence of the spiritual knowledge of the Upanishads can be seen in the poems/songs from Gitanjali ...the poem that you are talking about actually talks about death and Tagore has given a very lyrical description of death..accordig to him one should not be afraid of death but should welcome it...because it also is the starting point of the journey of the soul into another world.

superI used this poem for two reasons. First of all, Radhika had this childlike innocence and faith where she could ignore the noise of rest of the world who stood in her way in having a relationship with Dev. So she believed with all her heart that she and Dev would finally be able to have a relationship in the end. She also had this capacity to live in a moment just as children do. So she could ignore worries about the future and just enjoy the present. Yes Radhika had a child like quality in her and combined with Mansaram's support she knew to live in the present and enjoy life. Dev also had an innocence in him but he had to become an adult very early in life...so he did not really have a carefree childhood. He was bogged down with life's responsibilties and hence had an melancholic putlook towards life...the only time the child in him used to come out was when Radhika was present...All his tantrums and Lord of the Manor behaviour were very similar to that of a child who is craving for attention and it is usually seen in people who due to some harsh reality of life had to grow up quickly. So the song talked about this in the first part where she is just happy to be near him even if they were not able to reach the destination - the seashore (sahil is used in the song). So she is comparing herself and Dev to two waves who are destined to meet even if the seashore is not near. So in the first part of VM, she is content to just have him in her life even if he is apart from her. She is talking about a moment of love that is very precious even if it is short. Radhika's original character was shown that way where she also taught Dev to enjoy the present and leave the worries for the later time. So she was like a child who would feel down but would bounce back next minute. Secondly, the song talks about two waves meeting. If two waves meet properly where the peak of one collides with the peak of other or trough of one meets with trough of other, a brighter and bigger wave is built that is able to reach the seashore. So from Radhika's POV, if she and Dev were together in both good and bad times, they could overcome any difficulties and reach the destination. They did that when Dev realized this and Radhika's strong faith helped them. Now if a peak of a wave meets with the trough of a wave, then the wave cancels out. In Radhika's case, Radhika's optimism countered Dev's pessimism and so even there the waves analogy works.

Also the poem talks about infinity in two places - endless worlds and infinite sky. In context of Dev and Radhika, Radhika's unconditional love for Dev represents that infinity. Also this playing of children to me represents Dev and Radhika of kidnapping track where they were in their own world. They were oblivious of dangers surrounding them and were just happy even with limited resources. Again this is my interpretation of the poem in terms of this VM, but is not an actual interpretation of the poem.

I liked your interpretation of the poem and how you linked it to the song..specially liked the wave part...Radhika and Dev werelike that. The poem does talk about infinity and that is the link to the hidden spiritual meaning...

Following is the poem by Rabindranath Tagore:

On the seashore of endless worlds children meet.
The infinite sky is motionless overhead
and the restless water is boisterous.
On the seashore of endless worlds the children meet with shouts and dances.

Here the seashore has been taken as the meeting point of different wordls...the endless worlds are the infinite sky and the water of the sea. Sea water contains life ...hence symbolically it represent energy that can sustain life...or feminine energy. While infinite sky or air is also a form of energy ...that although cannot create life on its own but is needed to sustain life..hence it is the masculine energy...combination of these two forms of energy represents the Supreme Being or God... The children playing on seashore are symbolical representation of the human race. So the sea shore is the meeting point of two different worlds...a tangible world that is inhabitated by human beings and an intangible one...that is one that has no bounds or the Supreme being.

They build their houses with sand and they play with empty shells.
With withered leaves they weave their boats
and smilingly float them on the vast deep.
Children have their play on the seashore of worlds.

They know not how to swim, they know not how to cast nets.
Pearl fishers dive for pearls, merchants sail in their ships,
while children gather pebbles and scatter them again.
They seek not for hidden treasures, they know not how to cast nets.

The sea surges up with laughter, and pale gleams the smile of the sea-beach.
Death-dealing waves sing meaningless ballads to the children,
even like a mother while rocking her baby's cradle.
The sea play with children, and pale gleams the smile of the sea-beach.

On the seashore of endless worlds children meet.
Tempest roams in the pathless sky, ships get wrecked in the trackless water,
death is abroad and children play.
On the seashore of endless worlds is the great meeting of children.

Now in the above paragraphs...two contrasting pictures have been used...one that of childdren playing on the beach and the other of the adult world...When children play on the beach...they collect sea shells..they build castles..they jump into pools...but has one observed the kids when they are doing all this...they might be enjoiying themselves and playing but they are pretty serious regarding what they are doing...when they built the sand castles they give their full concentration to that sand castle and also try to find ways so that the castles do not get destroyed...when they are searching for pebbles they are also completely engrossed in what they are doing...but even after taking all precautions the sand castle does get destroyed by tides..shells collected with care do get washed away. And slowly children realise that this is the rule of nature...sea waves will destroy the sand castles (linked to sea playing witht eh children)...will wash away pebbles and they also accept this truth. Now in comparison to the children playing on the seashore ...the adults who are on the sea shre...casting nets...diving for pearls ..doing their normal day to day ...and during their noral work they face death (Tempest roams in the pathless sky, ships get wrecked in the trackless water)...So the destruction of the sand castles and hindrance to children play has been compared to death...and children represents human beings...Just like children learn to acept that the castles that they have built will ultimately get destroyed by sea water/tides in the same way we also should realise that one day we have to face the ultimate truth the irrespective of the fact that we were leading our lives and doing our work...death will comeand we should also rlean to accept it and not fight it. So basically we human beings are like children in front of the supreme being and what we do in our daily life is like childs play in front of the supreme being...we might have plans for ourselves but it is Supreme Being who decides what will happen...and after destruction life starts again..jus like children playing on the seashore...the tides wash away the sand castles...but the kids go back to again build a new sand castle. Angie if I take this meaning into consideration then this poem in some ways depicts Radhika...she had that childlike zest for life and the spunk ...she knew that there is sorrow and difficulty in life but that did not stop her from living life...and when death came she stood right in its path and faced it squarely...she did not question the unfairness of her death becuase her plans for self have all gone...she raised questions because it was being unfair towards Dev becuase he was in danger.

Here is the VM "On the Seashore of Endless World". This is a song from 1970s movie and those movies used to have these parties in big houses. There would be song and dance with camera going to faces of every character. The heroine or hero or both would be singing a song that would convey their message to relevant characters who would either be frowning with disapproval or beaming with approval. Oh yes I remember those scenes..😉.😆

So I have tried to make the VM in the same style. Now Rakhi who in the movie was the mother of the hero who conspired to keep the female lead apart from the male lead. In this song, the female lead is giving the defiant message to the mother of the male lead that she can't keep them apart. Here Padma is Rakhi who is not happy with Radhika. The editing in the last part is choppy because I tried to use episodes during Barkha track where it was hard to get clean scenes of Dev and Radhika. Liked your verison of the VM...

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=II2WCgwjyWY[/YOUTUBE]

Originally posted by: instcris

Beautiful work Angie! The first song is so melodious and your lines about the messages of these are close to our history. Radhika character throughout the movie was strong, she was ugly, distant, unloved, unwelcome by Dev's few members family, but with understanding, tolerance, will and an immeasurable loved, she managed to bring Dev not only to love, but to accept, understand their relationship sacred, unbreakable, and to managed the whole family to respect and to cherish her true value.

Originally posted by: Neerjaa

But I never wrote daily comments in CB1 and also I haven't seen all episodes of CB1 in first four months. So I don't remember episodes the way I do for CB2..Angie Angie , so i have to pursuade to watch the start episode of CB 1 , i was also not in this forum and joined in sep/nov 10...but i remember mailing my views to DJ,s and zee response ...Like you i also saw midway but was curious to know about the story which sent me in olden days when innocence and unconditional love was there , but is lost in todays materialistic world where values has also changed ...I did not have any problem if the show went Vivah way , showed Dev,s unconditional love and determination ...they had beautiful scenes after that ...It was shantnu whose character was ruined along with the other guy Abhinav Shukla , who also lost in the way ...I liked Abhay , he was with attitude but became parrot later on ...really sad again good story did not get justice ..

Originally posted by: why6

Thanks, Cristina. She did break walls that were put by Dev either in self-defense or because of his obligations. But the family never cherished her true value and Dev's family did not want her to be in Dev's life until the end ecause she threatened their safety. Because of her, they could not control Dev as they had done before with their emotional manipulations.

There were only two people besides Dev and Radhika who wanted them to be together. They were Mansa and Chenu. Radhika's dream was Mansa's dream and he always wanted her to be able to live with KK. Chenu also loved Radhika like a real sister and hence wanted her to be happy. So he too was happy that she finally found her KK.

Others from her adopted family - Chanda and Shanti were jealous of her. So they were maliciously ecstatic when Dada forced Radhika to break her engagement with Dev. But Shanti was pragmatic enough to accept the relationship as it served her purpose to be connected to a rich family. So that family was realistic where there was love on part of two people and selfishness on the side of other two.

As far as Dev's family is concerned, they never wanted Radhika to be with Dev because she was his strength and so she stood in their way of ambition of controlling RP legacy. This included everyone from Maheswari/Virat (open in their desire) to Padma (the most dangerous one), Rohan (who coveted both Radhika and RP title) and Dai (who couldn't control Dev the way she wanted).

So they never cherished her, but were forced to accept her once Dev took a firm stand. So they knew they had no choice but to accept her if they want to be of any importance to Dev. Padma and Dada were the most dangerous because both were extremely threatened by Radhika's influence on Dev.

Only initially Padma was happy to get Radhika as a DIL. But she started disliking her from the begining once she realized that even Rohan was willing to go to any lenghts for her and was choosing Radhika over her. Also she saw how strong willed Radhika was and so her insecurities started from the beginning. Then when she saw Dev's love for Radhika that made him break free of this family, she was even more insecure. This is how they showed her until the end.

So regardless of what Kanha's lines were about Dai and Padma, both preferred Barkha over Radhika. Until the very end, they would (especially Padma) would never stand up for Radhika until Dev would take everyone to task. Then they would suddenly act as if they were Radhika's best well-wishers.

In conclusion, the respect that she got from the family was very grudging and was given after they found out that not only Dev is going to stand up for her, but that she also came from a very influential rich family where her birth father wouldn't have stood up for her bad treatment.

Originally posted by: misti73

Originally posted by: chalhov

Lovely VM Angie I was watching that scene the other day in Zee Smileand also when Radhika was arranging the balloons and fell down yesterday I was watching the episode when Radhika wanted to look after Dev when he was not well but Rohan kept on calling her to play etc till Padma came and scolded Radhika and then he came and slept in her room and she slept downstairs Dev asking her why it was good to see the focus more on RADEV then.
Since I got this laptop with Wnd7 I am having a tough time as always I have to go to different opreating system to watch the Videos as firefox does ont support the VMs very few open here so I keep postponing the watching and thanks for the Tagore poem and both you and Misti explaining thanks for the VM

Originally posted by: Neerjaa

Thank you angie ,for connecting yur VM with Tagore,s poem nd should be thanking Misti for explaining the meaning of that poem ...

Originally posted by: why6

Hari, welcome back after a long time. How is your studies going?

Thanks for liking the VMs. I too love Misti's poems as she does a great job showing emotions of Bholu, Chaya and Radhika.

Yes, I do miss seeing Dev and Radhika's characters too. Also some of their episodes are my favorites and I try to use them in my VMs.

Yes, that lovers become strangers VM was a sad one and it showed Dev's emotions. Dev's videos are also becoming my favorite because Avinash does excel in those emotional scenes.

I was really angry with the creatives from the time of that RP puja because that is when they completely destroyed Dev's character. I have used some of the scenes from those episodes because I needed Dev's emotions. I will see if I can use Dev's emotions from RP puja in one of the videos, but I will cut any scenes which has Barkha in it because she was an extremely artificial character. To keep her in the show for a long time, writers destroyed Dev's character and hence I have a great disliking for that character.

I can use Dev's scenes from those episodes in a VM, but I don't think I would be able to justify Dev's character from that episode because that was not Dev for me. If they had kept Dev's character consistent, he would have never picked up Barkha as a fake wife and done that RP puja in that 3-way puja which insulted viewers' intelligence. Also Dev the original character would have never put sindoor on Barkha and also would not have been satisfied with 2 lines of apology after knowing that he gave hell to Radhika that were essentially his mistakes. So there is no justification of actions of Dev during that track. To me I think of Dev as the one who got bogged down with obligations once again after Dada's death and then got over it after he saw Radhika not being treated nicely by his family. Then I think of Dev as that person who stood up for her in that episode in February in front of religious leaders and society. Also he refused to let her give any more tests.