Ramanand Sagar's Ramayan & Shri Krishna CC#3 DONE! - Page 60

Originally posted by: aishi.muffin

Gunia thank you so much for answering those questions! Nice answers, I love your emoticons. Hehe, I'm nick-named Cake because I love sweets ☺️ But thanks a lot for the compliments, you're so sweet!

Feel free to use this Sri Krishna siggy I made. It's animated, parents switch off :)

Originally posted by: lola610

@ Gunia - virah vyatha ke liye hamein kshama karna behna, ham bhi ati vyaakul the tumse dur rehkar 😭 kintu kya karein, is varsh ki antim parikshaaon ka samay nikat aa raha hai... best of luck for upcoming exam, will pray for you 👍🏼 thanks sooooooooo much for liking sigs, your sweet words make it so worthwhile... I too love emerald green, it's my fav color 😃the effect I use on the texts is in pixlr only, it's called "bevel"... you can set different levels of shadow and glow on the words with it so it looks embossed. And wowwww gorgeous RadheRukminiShyam sig! perfect blending, and such sweet pics 👏👏👏👏👏 And I truly loved Govardhan lecture, tumhaare bhakti aur gyan ke ati sundar mishran ne hamaara hriday jeet liya hai 🤗 very enlightening and well worded! Esp your additional notes in respons to Shivang bhaiya's questions... and I never knew that angle introduced by Vallabhacharyaji, that it was all done to bathe Govardhan Giriraj... such a beautiful thought! Can't wait for more such insights from you... how do you feel about Indra as an analogy for modern day politicians in this scene? Do you think that their actions line up with his exactly, that maybe half the problems that exist are either caused or purposely ignored by them as revenge against those who don't vote for them? Might the innocence and vulnerability that come across in his repentance dialogue I posted possibly exist in them too, so that a simple "sanket" from God would lead to reform, or are their moves more calculative? Your other answers to Aishi rocked too, I also love corn flakes... we have so much in common


⭐️⭐️⭐️I'd like to use the above underlined question as our first discussion-of-the-week topic; everyone please try to address it in at least one post using the dialogue I posted and any other sources you like for reference. And when we're through by the end of the week, feel free to introduce a new topic for us! I think this can turn into a really enlightening, enjoyable activity that will make our CC even more valuable, like a true satsang... let's try it!!! ⭐️⭐️⭐️

Btw.....I appreciate wat U said abt Indra as an analogy for d present-day politicians!!!! I wud say that our political condition z worse than that.....kam se kam Indra pooja-hawan ke baad varsha to karte hain......n U see our present-politicians.... even after getting hawan-pooja in form of votes frm d innocent people they don't shower d rains of development for our nation! Yeah....Ur point was quite correct abt d fury they express on those who don't vote.....but it is also a fact that they do no good to those who vote for them😡 Such a misery it is!!they seem to do dis n that for d nation efore getting votes bt as soon as they grab their chair....all their promises or wud U say...vardaan transform into curses of red-tapism, injustice, delays...bla... bla... bla...😡 All their plans r just confined to paper works....I think our nation needs Krishna again...who can do d garv-daman of these politicians...!!!😍

Hope U'll like my view....btw Ur thought abt discussion for d week z truly gyanmay!!! Nice thought!! answer to d discussion of d week later on...wen I'll be free....hope U'll give me some relaxation for that

Originally posted by: lola610

A quick Ram Kahani sig I made after quite a while, was singing the song all weekend cuz I watched a little marathon of Sundar Kand epis this wknd...


And the same Sundar Kand marathon inspired this one of Hanuman and Vibhishan's first meeting:

Originally posted by: Dpka1415

omg !!! M MISSING ALL THE FUN ... !! 😭😭😭😭

u guyzzz r making fantabulous sig. wanna comment on each n every1 ... bt tym nahi hai aaj ... kal exam hai ..

will be back wenever i get sm free tym .... bt as Always .... ROCKING WORK guyzzzzz........

bbyyyyeeeeee.... miss u all lot ... do miss me 😉

Originally posted by: lola610

<font color="#ff0066">@ Gunia - virah vyatha ke liye hamein kshama karna behna, ham bhi ati vyaakul the tumse dur rehkar😭 kintu kya karein, is varsh ki antim parikshaaon ka samay nikat aa raha hai... best of luck for upcoming exam, will pray for you👍🏼 thanks sooooooooo much for liking sigs, your sweet words make it so worthwhile... I too love emerald green, it's my fav color😃the effect I use on the texts is in pixlr only, it's called "bevel"... you can set different levels of shadow and glow on the words with it so it looks embossed. And wowwww gorgeous RadheRukminiShyam sig! perfect blending, and such sweet pics 👏 And I truly loved Govardhan lecture, tumhaare bhakti aur gyan ke ati sundar mishran ne hamaara hriday jeet liya hai 🤗 very enlightening and well worded! Esp your additional notes in respons to Shivang bhaiya's questions... and I never knew that angle introduced by Vallabhacharyaji, that it was all done to bathe Govardhan Giriraj... such a beautiful thought! Can't wait for more such insights from you... how do you feel about Indra as an analogy for modern day politicians in this scene? Do you think that their actions line up with his exactly, that maybe half the problems that exist are either caused or purposely ignored by them as revenge against those who don't vote for them? Might the innocence and vulnerability that come across in his repentance dialogue I posted possibly exist in them too, so that a simple "sanket" from God would lead to reform, or are their moves more calculative?

@ Shivang - hi bhaiya 🤗 very thought provoking additions to the Govardhan leela discussion, loved them very much! aap hi bataaiye, what are your views on the whole necessity-of-rain issue, that reasons given for worshiping Govardhan could be traced back to Indra also? And was Shri Krishna really advocating isht-puja, or was it simply a metaphor for appreciating and taking care of our local natural surroundings for all that they give us, or was it just limited to that audience of gwalas and gwalins because they were already prone to that kind of ritualistic thinking and he didn't want to shake them out of their sahaj-bhaav entirely? Like how we said with regard to various BRC-MB dialogues in which he seemed to be using the people's own guna-born characteristics to reform them?

<font color="#0000ff"><font size="3">⭐️⭐️⭐️I'd like to use the above underlined question as our first discussion-of-the-week topic; everyone please try to address it in at least one post using the dialogue I posted and any other sources you like for reference. And when we're through by the end of the week, feel free to introduce a new topic for us! I think this can turn into a really enlightening, enjoyable activity that will make our CC even more valuable, like a true satsang... let's try it!!! ⭐️⭐️⭐️</font></font>
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Originally posted by: ShivangBuch

🤗 👏 Very nice idea of Satsang behena. Such a huge meaningful debate you have started making the exchange of thoughts possible and getting lots of new insights from everyone. You had originally picked so very nice political, organizational & practical paragraph in the middle of completely devotional & mythological scene. That itself was the great observation and choice.

I am completely in agreement with Gunia's replies. I would have given the same answers probably!!!!!! Just fabulous!!!!! Her posts reflected my views only!!!!😲

So far as Krishna's suggestion to the villagers is concerned, I personally emphasize only on the point of SAATVIK YAGNA. Kisiki pooja isliye na karo ki agar pooja nahi karoge to wo dand dega. Darr kar bhakti na karo (Having said that, the same can be harmonized with his scene with Akrurji later pinpointing on Dhritaraashtra's correct decision - "Koi agar dharm ke maarg par yadi mere darr se hi sahi parantu yadi chalataa hai to wo bhi prashansaa ke hi yogya hai." - darr se hi sahi parantu usne sahi raastaa to apnaayaa ---- now there is very thin line of difference between the two - in the former, there is neglecting your duty of acknowledgement towards cows & Govardhan due to fear and in the latter, there is following of Rajdharma automatically due to the characteristic of fear or alert conscience or guilty consciousness). Prem se swechchha se bhakti karo. Yadi yagna athva pooja athva bhakti prem aur shraddha se ki jaay, to Indra ki bhakti se bhi Krishna ko koi aapatti nahi (If you have to be afraid of the one whom you are worshiping despite not committing any wrong deed, then that person automatically doesn't deserve being worshiped and therefore people also don't have duty to worship him). I think the major intention of Krishna was to destroy fear & cowardly behaviour of Brajwasis. He wanted to challenge the established blind traditions by questioning the people about the sense or logic of those traditions whether what they were doing was meaningful, sensible & logical or they were doing just for the sake of following traditions blindly with fear of bad consequences if those traditions were broken. He wanted to emphasize I think that we must stick to our traditions only & only if they are consistent with our duty & liberty. The duty of Brajvasis demanded that they need to give due credit & therefore justice to cows & the Govardhan devta. They needed to express their thanks & acknowledge the grace of their feeders without anybody's fear with just sense of duty to do so. When there is some duty, you should remove all the barriers of anybody's fear who can become obstacle in fulfilling your duty. Krishna didn't like perhaps their immatured approach towards worship & wanted to bring their thinking balanced.

Now 'Sabka apna apna ishtadevata bhi hota hai'. I am perfectly in agreement word to word with Gunia. I just try to collect, elaborate & classify our thoughts.

(1) We all should have ananya bhakti of one & only one Supreme which is the ultimate source of power - Sarvadev namaskaarah Keshavam pratigachchhati: Aham hi sarva yagnaanaam bhoktaaram prabhureva cha: Ye yatha maam prapadhyante, taanstathaiva bhajaamyaham; Yo yo yaam yaam tanum bhaktah shraddhayaarchitum ichchhati, tasya tasyaachalaam shraddhaam, taamevavidadhaamyaham.

(2) Laukik riti aur aachaaron anusaar jo FAMILY DEITY ho wohi sabka janma se ishtdevataa automatically ban jata hai. The reasoning is simple that the same deity had been and has been worshipped by our dynasty over many years and therefore through the grace of that deity only (responsibility assigned by Lord to that deity or God is doing our good in the form of that specific deity) and we are born and fed by our parents and grandparents through the grace of the very specific deity (God's one form) looking after our family. Sabka apna hi ek unique ishwar jo unhi ka dhyaan rakhta hai. Jo unke hriday aur ghar me vaas karta hai. Unka mitra hai. Yogkshem ka vahan karta hai. Aajeevika chalaataa hai. Parents ko unke bachchhon ka paalan karne me sahaay karta hai. Vriksha ke parivaar ko aage badhaataa hai aur dukh ke prakop ko dur rakhta hai. The very collective power of all Pitrus generate from their faith over that deity and that deity is the source of all positive energy contributing to bring the family tree upto the current level of status.

(3) In modern context, universally (for any man of any religion and country) for all, whether believer or non-believer of God, WORK IS WORSHIP (Karmyog) because work only is the source or means of aajeevikaa of an honest man. There is no substitute of hardwork. Purushaarth or Parishram or value addition to the society is modern day yagna or sacrifice to get something. To us nazariye se sabka apna apna chosen profession hi apna apna ishta ban jaata hai and one should love the customers of one's profession (who feed the one & in turn who are relying on one's service quality - even more so if the professional relationship is highly fiduciary like doctor & patient or the profession is spiritually also highly worthy like that of a doctor or soldier or teacher or policeman or judge or lawyer or political leader - sharan me aayaa hua praani rakshak ke saamne nasht nahi hona chaahiye 😊) and love to deliver them the best quality by hardwork and total fulfillment of duty. Monetary income becomes the automatic outcome which can be accepted without any greed and later can also be sacrificed if there is no desire left.


And now regarding your point about Krishna scolding Indra in the context of modern day corruption in the system and modern day political leaders (not just political leaders but bosses in every organization also), I feel that you have caught the perfect essence of the scene. RSji is wonderful over here in conveying modern message through the mytho. How about comparing this with Uttar Ramayan initial scene before Sita tyag explaining the progressive taxation system? Progressive tax system - collecting more from able and using it for all to reduce the economic inequalities and thus to achieve greater social welfare (Metaphor of water-cycle of rain). School of thought of Economics - welfare economics.


And superb creations of Sundarkand. 👏👏Aasopaalav ka patta to background me kahan kho jaataa hai pataa hi nahi chaltaa. And you have also picked the additional scene my favourite one - Shankh chakra tulsi jahan, nischay us ghar Ram - by picking smartly the choupai from Hanumanchalisa. Great idea. "He mahaatmaa! Mai yahan Lanka me is prakaar rehtaa hun jaise daanton ke beech jihvaa reheti hai."😭

@Gunia

Classic replies dear sister. Mindblowing. 👏 👏 And great that you mentioned the source of your answer too. I mainly had question regarding the SANDHIVICHCHHED only rather than the meaning of the whole name itself really. Meanings of both of us are still more or less the same despite the difference of Sandhi Vichchhed - Gov Ind (Indra of Gau - Master of cows/senses as symbolism) or Go Vind (Knower or Knowledgeable or controller of cows/senses as symbolism).

Pranaam Bhratashree!!!!Wuuuuwwwwwwwwwwww respect Ur views completely n glad that our thoughts r almost common!!!Thanx a bazillion for liking my replies!!!I m happy that though our Sandhiviccheds were different bt it means d same...thats more important!! Bt wooooooooooooooooowwwww completely admire Ur comments whether it wud be d Indra's scene or Uttar Ramayan... progressive tax collection...one...depicting Welfare Centered Economics! Ab aap to gunon ki khaan hain....aapke gunon ke bakhaan me kahein to aur kya kahein humari na itni soch hai aur na jihwa me itna samartya ki aapki prashansh is se purna ho sake!! Keep it up!!