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Posted: 8 years ago
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My comments in blue!

Originally posted by: sashashyam

No, no, my dear Shreya, I am not running a class to which students have to report on time! 😉

Point Taken 😉!

Plus I always enjoy your comments, and I always respond to them at some length.
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Here, I do not agree with your criticism that Chanakya's plan had too many loopholes. No such plan can be foolproof, for there are too many imponderables, in this case Parvatak's bizarre decision to tender his son's apologies to Padmanand in person.

Whatever Chandragupta might have barked at Nandini about her having got him caught, and Nand's chortling about that earlier, as I had made very clear in my post, Chandragupta was exposed only because of this mishap, the unexpected arrival in Pataliputra of Parvatak. Not because of Nandini's detectivegiri.

It is only Shailaja who seems to have grasped this point even while lamenting about the incomprehensible folly of Chandragupta in babbling to a daasi about his secret plans. He does try to retrieve lost ground by explaining that he wanted to imprint every detail of the palace in his mind, but that comes too late. But this did not lead to this exposure. If Parvatak had not come, Chandragupta would have talked his way out of the trap.

Do also take a look at my response to Lavanya on page 3 above, which she does not seem to have read. I do not know why I take so much trouble to respond to folks who then do not read the responses at all. Anyhow, for immediate reference, here is the relevant extract.But do try and read the whole exchange.
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"Look, kid, you are asking for too much. Chanakya made sure that Malayketu did not escape from the gurukul, make his way to Pataliputra and trip Chandragupta up. How on earth could he have provided for the bizarre decision of Raja Parvatak to personally land up in Pataliputra to apologise to Nand? No self-respecting king would have done that. He looked and sounded more like a chamcha of Nand's than anything else. It was just a bit of very bad luck and it floored poor Chandragupta.

You have not thought the situation thru either. Does Chanakya have an army of tried and trusted spies that he can set to shadow Parvathak on the odd chance of his taking it into his head to go to Pataliputra to tender his son's apologies? And then apparate into Pataliputra before Parvathak gets there to warn Chandragupta? Have a heart, my dear.He must be having only a handful of trusted acolytes, of whom Chandra is the best.

If you had watched the 1990 Chanakya, you would have realised with what infinite patience, effort, and untiring, relentless persuasion Chanakya built his coalition against, first the Macedonians left behind by Alexander, and then against the Indian allies of the Macedonians, beginning with Purushottam (aka Porus) - whose daughter, married to Ambhi of Takshashila, was a devotee of Chanakya's - and finally against Magadha. This narrative is like shorthand already, and here you are, wanting Chanakya to be, not one of the greatest strategic thinkers ever, but a ruddy magician!"
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Hmm...I don't think that Parvatak landing up at Magadh is bizarre. Padmanand was a powerful king, and I do not think anyone would want to rub him the wrong way. Even if Parvatak hadn't gone to Pataliputra, he would have sent out a message to Padmanand. Either way, I agree with you that the only thing that Chanakya could have done was to somehow keep Malayketu in Takshashila and hope that Chandra would be able handle a scenario which would expose his fake identity. And Chandra does exceedingly well there.

As for Chandragupta being angry with Nandini, in the deadly danger that he is in then, do you expect him to applaud her for being loyal to her father? And if he had had the time to watch her behaving like a Roman era cheerleader waiting to see a gladiator being slaughtered by her Dhan Bhaiyya, he would have been even more livid.

So far, I always have had the feeling that Chandra's temper cannot be easily baited. In fact when Padmanand talks about Nandni's cleverness, I almost expected a smirk from Chandra. I really did 😆.Atleast there is someone who can rile him up. For a moment I forgot that it is a hate-to-love story, and if destiny proposes hate, there will be hate at all times 😉!

They do not remind me of sparring kids. He looks at her as if she were a wildcat he needed to look out for, and she looks silly, staring at him with that tic of pressing her lower lip. There is zero chemistry at this stage, and how on earth should there be any? He stops himself just in time from socking her one good and proper.

Wild cat ...this species has a habit of letting loose wild cats on humans under the pretext of saving innocent animals 😉...I am already weary of Nandni 😆

Someone was complaining, without thinking it thru, that she is a fighter, and so she should have been able to get out of his grasp and do something better than bite him. They forget that she is an archer and a swordswoman, not a jijutsu practitioner, who can get out of even crushing physical holds.

And so it goes. Pretty soon, given my typing problem, I shall give up on trying to correct such ill considered critiques. It is too fatiguing, and pointless, for very few take on board what I try to explain. It is exactly like the rock of Sisyphus. I hope you at least will be one of the few exceptions to this Sisyphean rule!😉

Point taken 👍🏼

Anyhow, I am glad you liked this one.

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: luvuyuvi

Aunty,
Awesome analysis!!! Yeah... I agree that your option A was better. I would like to think that Chandra wants to know about the' karagrih'. And so he purposely tells the dasi about his motive. And second option would be, he did not care about getting caught as he is fearless and anyhow don't want to get married. (Which is quite stupid for other wise sensible behavior).

Nand's son that you are talking about is mentally disable, I guess. He was earlier in the frame too.
Rajat was fabulous in the court scene. And the cherry on the cake is his rejecting nandini. Once he had rejected his money and now he rejected his darling daughter. He has wounded ego of father- daughter duo .

And nandini not being graceful enough, you answered this question already. Her mother is born royal, whereas nandini is barber's daughter.
Btw, you have nothing to say about moora- Chandra scene. ? I liked rajat in that scene.
P.S. I would love to hear what you have to say about "bajirav- mastaani". Seeing that you are such an excellent observer. Ofcource, as and when time and health permits.
Take care. Akanksha.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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It is not only yours, my dear Akanksha, but at least 6 more on this thread alone, including my old friend Moontide, whose comments still remain unanswered, and a few more on the thread before this one.So don't fret! But I must say that your direct attack took me quite by surprise, for even Sandhya or Khushi, who know me for very much longer than you do, are rarely this straightforward!😉

The point is that I go backwards and forwards thru the threads, and often comments get left out. You have written in for the first time, but there are others like Khalessi to whom I owe at least 3 responses. Besides, I cannot type fast. So I am "like that only", and those who know me are used to the delays.

I am afraid neither of the motives you would like to attribute to Chandragupta in your first para would hold water. The question is not whether he does or does not want to get married. If he gets caught because of this sudden piece of folly, he will get married to the guillotine! And there is no special advantage in finding out about the prison, for it is not as though he is planning to rescue anyone from there. It was really very careless and irresponsible of him, but that was not why he was caught. It was because Parvatak arrrived out of the blue.

I did not touch on the Mura-Chandragupta scene because there was nothing to analyse there except the last part which I had covered. Plus, I am not very fond of overt sentimentality.

I liked Bajirao Mastani a lot, but I do not know when I could do a review of it. I am so hard pressed already with my episode analyses and the responses to comments. But if I do find some spare time and do it, I will be sure to share it with you. And I am very pleased that you liked this post so much.

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Aunty, I just found this webpage related to CGM and Nandini. 😲😲
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Don't pay any attention to all this stuff, Ankita. Jitne log, utni kahaaniyaan. And everyone claims to base their version on Greek, Buddhist and Jain sources!😆

As for the death of Durdara, there is one generally accepted version which was used in CAS. That Chanakya used to feed Chandragupta minute quantities of poison daily to make him immune to any poisoning attempt by his enemies. One day, Durdhara, who was close to her delivery date, ate Chandragupta's food in fun and died. They extracted the baby in time, but the poison left a blue spot on him, whence the name Bindusara. That is plausible. Chanakya specialised in all sorts of vish, vishkanyas and vishpaan!😉

Let us stick to our Nandini the ingenue-cum-wildcat!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: BrienneOfTarth

Aunty, I just found this webpage related to CGM and Nandini. 😲😲

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You're right. But I saw this. Then I recalled Amatya's ominous bhavisyavani and I was like...😲😲😲.

I will stick to my serial and leave the history to the historians from now on. 😆

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Don't pay any attention to all this stuff, Ankita. Jitne log, utni kahaaniyaan. And everyone claims to base their version on Greek, Buddhist and Jain sources!😆

As for the death of Durdara, there is one generally accepted version which was used in CAS. That Chanakya used to feed Chandragupta minute quantities of poison daily to make him immune to any poisoning attempt by his enemies. One day, Durdhara, who was close to her delivery date, ate Chandragupta's food in fun and died. They extracted the baby in time, but the poison left a blue spot on him, whence the name Bindusara. That is plausible. Chanakya specialised in all sorts of vish, vishkanyas and vishpaan!😉

Let us stick to our Nandini the ingenue-cum-wildcat!

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Before you begin to implement this wise resolution, Ankita, as one last indulgence, take a look at this, and at the other post flagged there. It will be worth your while.

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/137983015


Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: BrienneOfTarth

You're right. But I saw this. Then I recalled Amatya's ominous bhavisyavani and I was like...😲😲😲.

I will stick to my serial and leave the history to the historians from now on. 😆

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Just a quick note, my dear Debastuti - I am clearing my arrears!

Chandra's friends, once they caught on the fact that he had been arrested, would have vamoosed and gone back to alert Chanakya.

As for the back up plan, one cannot provide, in such secret service missions, for every contingency. The agent is supposed to manage as best he can. What I wrote to Lavanya will do just as well for your query:

Look, kid, you are asking for too much. Chanakya made sure that Malayketu did not escape from the gurukul, make his way to Pataliputra and trip Chandragupta up. How on earth could he have provided for the bizarre decision of Raja Parvatak to personally land up in Pataliputra to apologise to Nand? No self-respecting king would have done that. He looked and sounded more like a chamcha of Nand's than anything else. It was just a bit of very bad luck and it floored poor Chandragupta.

You have not thought the situation thru either. Does Chanakya have an army of tried and trusted spies that he can set to shadow Parvathak on the odd chance of his taking it into his head to go to Pataliputra to tender his son's apologies? And then apparate into Pataliputra before Parvathak gets there to warn Chandragupta? Have a heart, my dear.He must be having only a handful of trusted acolytes, of whom Chandra is the best.

If you had watched the 1990 Chanakya, you would have realised with what infinite patience, effort, and untiring, relentless persuasion Chanakya built his coalition against, first the Macedonians left behind by Alexander, and then against the Indian allies of the Macedonians, beginning with Purushottam (aka Porus) - whose daughter, married to Ambhi of Takshashila, was a devotee of Chanakya's - and finally against Magadha. This narrative is like shorthand already, and here you are, wanting Chanakya to be, not one of the greatest strategic thinkers ever, but a ruddy magician!

As for the spirit gum, as Saraswathi Akka has suggested very cleverly, if he had retained Nandini's beard, there would have been plenty of spirit gum on it!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Shinning_Stuti

I knew that Chandra can have no plan behind revealing his purpose of getting into Magadh to Nandini other than showing off his hunar of dialogues to audiences,😆😉 but never expected he will be caught so stupidly😡... How did Chanakya and Chandra had no backup plan in case real Malayketu's identity gets reveal anyway?😕 they must have stepped forward before confirming that Malayketu's father won't come between anyway?

More on later, but I have 2 questions:

1. Where did the other friends of Chandra go when Chandra was caught?😕
2. Chandra had cut the hairs and beard of the dead soldier for taking disguise; but from where did he get the gum to fix that properly? 😆 was he carrying that or Moora had a stock of gum? (Chandra reminded me Jalal after taking disguise🤣)

Overall I enjoyed the episode... Quite a happening one. 😉. These bloopers will go on Aunty, don't be sad with these.😆 Thank you for the awesome post Aunty.😳

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Posted: 8 years ago
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My dear Lehar-e-Mahtaab,

The sheer pleasure of having you on board again literally eclipsed, for me, almost everything else about this thread and the show itself. I realised only after seeing this post how much I had really missed you. I did keep up the PMs, and your Likes surfaced some way down the road, but you were as silent as the grave, which was quite disconcerting. Now all is forgiven!

I have, my dear, become an old crock since we were last in touch. I fell down and hurt my right knee 2 years ago, and a few months later, it suddenly collapsed under me, and had to be replaced. I was just emerging from the miserable physiotherapy that is the bane of the post-operative period in TKR when I was dealt another punch, being diagnosed a year ago with rheumatoid arthritis. And my eye condition, which was quiescent of the last 18 months, resurfaced this week immediately after your thoughtful enquiry! I think it wanted to report to you!😆

I am, however, determined not to let all these pestilential afflictions get me down, and am soldiering on womanfully.

Actually, my frenetic activity centred on daily posts on this show was really meant to check if I could still do it. It is now clear, after 2 weeks, that I can't. So I am scaling back to twice a week,but I hope to still have a lot of fun even so.

My dear, it is really so good to have you back. Who but you can think up phrases like ambush marketing, a tangerine mood, Pavlov's pet, the Ladakhi terrain like kautilyan north pole, and of course the very best (for obvious reasons😉) like fine filigree on gold? No one.

As for the back up plan for Chandragupta in Pataliputra, do see my response above to Stuti. There could not have been a Plan B for such an unexpected contingency. If Parvatak had not been such a shameless chamcha of the Magadha Samrat's, he would have sent a letter of explanation and then Chandragupta would have bluffed his way out of that trap citing a last minute permission from his guru.

Au revoir
, my very dear, silvery friend. Come back soon to hold my hand and keep my morale up. There are days when I need that!

Affectionately,

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Moontide

Dear Vanilla-e-mint

First thing first, how's the eye?

Hope you are keeping well otherwise, for the mind is as Jeeves like as ever as you hop from the mughal era to the pre-golden age of Indian history.

May I say your analysis is more exiting, satisfying, indepth and thought/mirth provoking than the actual spread on the tv screen. You always manage to impart more depth and meaning in each scene. Much more than what any of the cvs could have ever brought to the Gupta age's golden table.

No wonder you are in a tangerine mood. For your plan A yesterday was so cerebrally delicious that it made my mind salivate like Pavlov's pet. The problem though remains in the limited creativity of the Ekta stable. It does not harbour minds capable of strategising and executing such smart plans.

Now I have to say loved your ambush marketing a couple of posts earlier. Pantene thanks you for the script of their next campaign

Also every time I see Chandra in his headgear, it dissolves into a vision of a steady spinning top😆

Its strange how you Vanilla have fallen for those wind rider locks as well as the ladakhi terrain like kautilyan north pole.. I admit it houses one of the most exiting grey matter of human history. Which is why its all the more perplexing as to how come Chanakya failed to foresee the possible spanner in his Chandra masquarade plan in the form of Malayketu's father appearing in person at the Magadha court.

Lastly your observation on Mahananda carrying a whip on his person. Pray tell me, would it not have been more suitable and in character for him to carry a ustara/razor? In that case he could have shaved off a part of the flowing mane of the Man we are mooning over and that might have turned out more fruitful in extracting a response from the stoik Chandra?

As for Nandini, have pity on the girl. For she is Moonstruck!!

Will come back to haunt you later.

Thank you so much for hitting those keys on that lappy and churning out gems per episode. Your craft is like fine filigree on gold. No wonder the Gupta age is destined to flourish...😳

Signing off for now
Love
Moontide😃


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Never mind all these flaws, my dear Rani. I have now renewed my resolution to disregard them, at least for 150 episodes, and hope for the best!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Rani16

Hello Aunty!!
I am new to this forum...and i loved reading your analysis!😛
I too was disappointed to see that Chandra did not have a plan B up his sleeve...Padmanand could have had him executed and Chanakya's plan would have ended with Chandra..!

Nandini is too childish for a princess and the fact that she is unaware of her father's (mis)doings baffles me..!

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