Why, why do this to Ashok CVs? - Page 9

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

He was a Saint from the highest realms, raised by low caste muslim weavers..

Sai ke jeev sab hai, tu kahe ko nirdayi hoi.

pad pad pothi pandit na hua koi

dhai akshar prem ke bole so pandit hoye

Gyani mool gavaiya, aap bhaye karta

taate sansaari bhala, jo sada rahe darta

Jaati na poocho sadh ki, pooch lijiye gyan

Mol karo talvar ka, pada rehne do myan

Jahan daya wahan dharma hai, jahaan lobh tahan paap

Jahan krodh tahan aap hai, jahaan kshama tahahan aap.

So beautiful and touching, brought tears to my eyes. Thanks so much Alakh.
And as I understand Sant Kabirji was against discrimination in the name of caste. Not per say opposed the foundation of Varnas ordained.

Originally posted by: Intrepida

Kaana dear I stopped watching this show after first week! One show with lots of fiction is enough lol

But I agree with ur points! The varnas were etched in stone by the rulers of society to make sure they were in control, aka the brahmins!

Your actions determine your varna, because today many brahmins are merchants or Kshatriyas are not in army

Thanks for dropping in Rati. I agree one show is enough at a time! And that is why I keep alternating!! When CAS becomes unbearable I will move back to MP. And I will definitely be there during Haldighati.

Originally posted by: Kaana

So beautiful and touching, brought tears to my eyes. Thanks so much Alakh.
And as I understand Sant Kabirji was against discrimination in the name of caste. Not per say opposed the foundation of Varnas ordained.

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

You should go through his poetry. Try reading Kabir ki shabdavli, its uploaded on scribd.. its the original version.

He opposed almost everything😆

Kahe Kabir Satlok ke purush, shadb ke sarnai

Ami ank ne kuhuk nikari, sakal srishti pe chai

For some one form Satlok- Caste , religion and everything is pointless. Nothing is superior or inferior

Kabir khada bazaar mein, sabki mange khair

Na kahu se dosti, na kahu se bair

Thanks for the link :-) lovely.
But Alakh we also need to remember the plane of his talking and the context. He is beyond the body notion- he has said boldly he is 'as is', many have accumulated dirt. The 'as is' is the key here. That is the plane at which he is. Such a great great soul. I repeatedly salute to Him.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=hehPjAJynr4

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

https://youtube.com/watch?v=hehPjAJynr4

Upanishad ganga-varna system

I haven't seen the episode but just found this.

TFS, will check it out sometime.

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

Kaana: Will write it then. A bit busy right now.

But tell me something, on one hand you say that the attributes to the Shudra caste is Tamasic (in response to Rohini's question), and later you negate it by saying that Varna has no attributes. I'm not sure I understand.

Adishakti : Hmm, you make valid points. However, one cannot ignore the history through which this concept of varna came into being. Sudras were treated as the Slaves of the entire tribe.

[YOUTUBE]http://youtube/hehPjAJynr4.com[/YOUTUBE]

@ Krystal, no contradicting the fact, it is the truth shudras were treated badly, it started from the time of Ramayana itself, it became progressively worse to the extent that shudras became untouchables, by the time British came to India everyone was really cruel and inhuman with them, so if western world talks badly about varna system we really can't blame them, they are simply repeating what they saw.