Why, why do this to Ashok CVs? - Page 7

Based on scriptural reference, some argue that shudrAs are born from the feet of brahmA ji, and hence they are lowest. If you want to understand the importance of feet, you should ask a person who is disabled and cannot walk. The correct way of understanding the symbolism is as follows:

brAhmanas are depicted as born from the head of brahmA ji, symbolizing that they are the teachers and preservers of knowledge, as knowledge is stored in the head.

kshatriyas are depicted as born from the chest of brahmA ji, because the chest is a symbol of virility, thus symbolizing their strength and their status as protectors of society.

vaishyas are said to be born from the stomach of brahmA ji, because it is through their very economic activity that society can feed itself, and also due to the fact that farmers, who are producers of food, are vaishyAs.

Lastly, shudrAs are said to be born from the feet of brahmA ji, because the feet represent labour. It is the feet that take us around from place to place, and shudrAs represent this section of society. There is nothing unholy about feet; after all, it is the feet that bears the weight of the body. The shudras with their labor are the ones who take us on a path of progress .

A Brahman is a scientist who does fundamental research and shudra is some one who uses that fundamental research as an application, the vaishya commercializes the application and Kshatriya makes sure that application does not harm the society. So all four are needed equally and deserve equal respect.

With regards to gunas, all four Varnas carry all three gunas in varying proportions. Predominance of tamasic guna in shudra means their primary occupation involves routine work, they are not predisposed to experimentation. Their work is unskilled or semi skilled. They are happy with stable and secure life and are not ambitious. And predominance of satvic in Brahmans means their predisposed to creativity and research. Such people do not have materialistic goals. Kshatriya predominantly rajasic with higher satvic and lesser tamasic so they are devoted to actions for public service like administration and protection but seek power as a reward. Vaishya is rajasic with higher tamasic and lower satvic so they are entrepreneurs with profit motive. I.e. More selfish than Kshatriya.

Hey kaana!😊Hope you are doing well.
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Originally posted by: adiana12

Of course not you dear but last week's debate competition😉

Appaadi, pozhachen :-)

Originally posted by: Adishakti

Based on scriptural reference, some argue thatshudrAs are born from the feet ofbrahmA ji, and hence they are lowest. If you want to understand the importance of feet, you should ask a person who is disabled and cannot walk. The correct way of understanding the symbolism is as follows:

brAhmanasare depicted as born from the head of brahmA ji, symbolizing that they are the teachers and preservers of knowledge, as knowledge is stored in the head.

kshatriyasare depicted as born from the chest of brahmA ji, because the chest is a symbol of virility, thus symbolizing their strength and their status as protectors of society.

vaishyasare said to be born from the stomach of brahmA ji, because it is through their very economic activity that society can feed itself, and also due to the fact that farmers, who are producers of food, are vaishyAs.

Lastly,shudrAsare said to be born from the feet of brahmA ji, because the feet represent labour. It is the feet that take us around from place to place, andshudrAs represent this section of society. There is nothing unholy about feet; after all, it is the feet that bears the weight of the body. The shudras with their labor are the ones who take us on a path of progress .

A Brahman is a scientist who does fundamental research and shudra is some one who uses that fundamental research as an application, the vaishya commercializes the application and Kshatriya makes sure that application does not harm the society. So all four are needed equally and deserve equal respect.

With regards to gunas, all four Varnas carry all three gunas in varying proportions. Predominance of tamasic guna in shudra means their primary occupation involves routine work, they are not predisposed to experimentation. Their work is unskilled or semi skilled. They are happy with stable and secure life and are not ambitious. And predominance of satvic in Brahmans means their predisposed to creativity and research. Such people do not have materialistic goals. Kshatriya predominantly rajasic with higher satvic and lesser tamasic so they are devoted to actions for public service like administration and protection but seek power as a reward. Vaishya is rajasic with higher tamasic and lower satvic so they are entrepreneurs with profit motive. I.e. More selfish than Kshatriya.

Super, thanks for this wonderful piece. Beautifully explained. You should have done the post and not someone like me with little knowledge.

Actually a similar thought was running in my mind as well. Now who declared that feet is the worst organ and mouth is far superior. Technically speaking mouth to me is even more disgusting given the constant saliva. So it's all perception and views formed that mouth is superior, feet is inferior and so on. And the same applies. For that without all the organs functioning together well we are done and gone. Every part of the body is equally important for a healthy and normal being. And same way all Varnas are equally important for the smooth functioning of the world. What is the point in only teaching- if this is a superior clan, this should take care of all needs and subsume every other clan. But can this clan exist independently- it needs a protector and a nourisher. What war can kings handle, why even stand stable without the nourisher? In fact farmers are to be viewed with great respect like mothers as it is they who toil so hard and feed the whole world. We could live without anything but not without eating. It is because of them, their hard word that we are all alive and strong. One needs to have immense gratitude to this great community.

Originally posted by: crazy-for-praja

Hey kaana!😊Hope you are doing well.
RES😛
Will unres soon.😉

Hey Ramya, am doing fantastic. Do come in and pull others also along :-)

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

Kaana: Will write it then. A bit busy right now.

But tell me something, on one hand you say that the attributes to the Shudra caste is Tamasic (in response to Rohini's question), and later you negate it by saying that Varna has no attributes. I'm not sure I understand.

First please bear with me my dear friend. My lappy sucks and doing the posts from my phone, hence the cryptic responses.
I haven't contradicted. Lemme explain. I would request to go back to my main post where I had mentioned how one because of one's nature is born into a category (varna). How do we recognise? based on the person's innate qualities one is called a kshatriya and so on if I may say so. So it is not like a varna is titled and then qualities were added to the title. Instead it's a person falling into one of the buckets.
Let me try to explain with an example. I request the example be viewed in this context taken and not stretched.
Let us take a green and red apple. Now shy is a green apple called a green apple and the red apple by its name. Now were attributes added to the green or red apple. No. The green or red apple were names given based on the different attributes they posses.
Now if a green apple vendor who wants to increase his sales and hold his power in the business, tries to push an idea that green apple is far superior to the red apple, is it the fault of the green apple or yhe red apple, or the definition or attributes or whoever gave that name to these apples? The names were given to classify and identify based on qualities. But if some rogue misuses for his own means and confuses the people, we cannot blame the apple or the system. And when more and more such rogues do this and over a period of time, this seem to be assumed as the norm, worse, as the original definition.

Kaana I really appreciate the amount of effort you've put in to make this wonderful post.👍🏼

Originally posted by: Kaana

Super, thanks for this wonderful piece. Beautifully explained. You should have done the post and not someone like me with little knowledge.

Actually a similar thought was running in my mind as well. Now who declared that feet is the worst organ and mouth is far superior. Technically speaking mouth to me is even more disgusting given the constant saliva. So it's all perception and views formed that mouth is superior, feet is inferior and so on. And the same applies. For that without all the organs functioning together well we are done and gone. Every part of the body is equally important for a healthy and normal being. And same way all Varnas are equally important for the smooth functioning of the world. What is the point in only teaching- if this is a superior clan, this should take care of all needs and subsume every other clan. But can this cltan exist independently- it needs a protector and a nourisher. What war can kings handle, why even stand stable without the nourisher? In fact farmers are to be viewed with great respect like mothers as it is they who toil so hard and feed the whole world. We could live without anything but not without eating. It is because of them, their hard word that we are all alive and strong. One needs to have immense gratitude to this great community.

Originally posted by: Kaana

First please bear with me my dear friend. My lappy sucks and doing the posts from my phone, hence the cryptic responses.
I haven't contradicted. Lemme explain. I would request to go back to my main post where I had mentioned how one because of one's nature is born into a category (varna). How do we recognise? based on the person's innate qualities one is called a kshatriya and so on if I may say so. So it is not like a varna is titled and then qualities were added to the title. Instead it's a person falling into one of the buckets.
Let me try to explain with an example. I request the example be viewed in this context taken and not stretched.
Let us take a green and red apple. Now shy is a green apple called a green apple and the red apple by its name. Now were attributes added to the green or red apple. No. The green or red apple were names given based on the different attributes they posses.
Now if a green apple vendor who wants to increase his sales and hold his power in the business, tries to push an idea that green apple is far superior to the red apple, is it the fault of the green apple or yhe red apple, or the definition or attributes or whoever gave that name to these apples? The names were given to classify and identify based on qualities. But if some rogue misuses for his own means and confuses the people, we cannot blame the apple or the system. And when more and more such rogues do this and over a period of time, this seem to be assumed as the norm, worse, as the original definition.

Originally posted by: Rishi_

Kaana I really appreciate the amount of effort you've put in to make this wonderful post.👍🏼

I agree with some parts and disagree with some.

Ofcourse everyone is bound to have different views😊

I'm seriously overpacked right now so I'm feeling really bad that I won't be able to debate.

I just want to put one point regarding Karna here. Yes he was born a Kshatriya but he lived and died as a Shudra only.

That's what Ashok meant. Unlike other Kshratriya's he did not have access to any education or other comforts of a palace.

He was constantly insulted as being a "Suta Putra". What ever he became in life was due to his own hard work and dedication. Yes genes do matter! I'm not denying this. But only genetic qualities are not sufficient to succeed in life. Hard work and dedication are equally important.

Karna had to live like a Shudra and fight his way through injustice. He had to disguise himself as a brahmin to get training from Lord Parshuram. And he became Duryodhan's friend and the king of Angapradesh only because of his own ability and talent NOT because he was born a Kshatriya.

That's what Ashok meant to say.

Nothing was served on a platter to him unlike other royal princes. Despite that, he was the most powerful among all princes even more powerful than Arjun too!

And I don't think that Kshatriya qualities can't be present in others. What do we have to say about Ekalavya then?

he was a shudra yet much more talented than Arjun so much so that Dronacharya made him offer his thumb as Gurudakshina.

Yes genes do matter! But that doesn't mean one cannot achieve something by hard work and dedication.

Thanks Rishi you made great points. Interesting. Come back if you get time.