Bollywood, there is a diff between nepotism and access. - Page 27

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

The wider you define, the more unfair its going to get. Any connection with an industry cannot be called nepotism.

I'm not against nepotism in any case. Just against the unfair lumping of some of the most privileged on the planet with someone who worked his butt off for his successes.

I completely understand I am arguing semantics here. 😊

But I personally feel that definitions matter.

Here is the definition of nepotism you posted.

1. the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives, friends, or associates, especially by giving them jobs.

If nepotism was just getting jobs - the definition would have read "the practice among ......associates, by giving them jobs." But giving jobs is one prominent aspect; there are many more aspects to nepotism. That is why the definition says "especially by giving them jobs."

The most privileged and the most hardworking often get lumped together. Take the term actor itself - it can mean a retired person who acts in local community theater plays or a major movie star. If you look at CEOs or business owners - you have people who cruised into their family's wealth with zero effort, and you have people who started in abject poverty and rose up with sheer hard work and determination.

And this is why I find the nepo-baby discourse absurd. Not a single person is against nepotism as a whole. If people really were against nepotism, they would look at every job, every industry, every level of it. Nepotism is more egregious in corporations than in movies.

What people really are against the richest and the privileged who use their power and influence to give desirable, glamorous, and popular jobs to their undeserving family members while actively denying hardworking, deserving people their fair shot.

Originally posted by: Maharani69

You don’t have to justify his success because Anupama (who takes her seriously!?)

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

What about Utkarsh Sharma ?

Thats a tough one - it's nepotism back firing ( in my opinion). His dad pretty much ensured that Utkarsh would merge with the background and be completely irrelevant for the audience by putting his beside a genuinely good and popular star in the best and most loved role of his career. Not sure how he thought his son would benefit 🤔

Originally posted by: fantasyshowfan

Thats a tough one - it's nepotism back firing ( in my opinion). His dad pretty much ensured that Utkarsh would merge with the background and be completely irrelevant for the audience by putting his beside a genuinely good and popular star in the best and most loved role of his career. Not sure how he thought his son would benefit 🤔

By eliminating the most popular character Sakeena from the narrative and inserting his son there.By parading his son to every theater and making the MC refer to him as ‘the hero’ of the movie. Another idiot playing the perception game.😆

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

I completely understand I am arguing semantics here. 😊

But I personally feel that definitions matter.

Here is the definition of nepotism you posted.

1. the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives, friends, or associates, especially by giving them jobs.

If nepotism was just getting jobs - the definition would have read "the practice among ......associates, by giving them jobs." But giving jobs is one prominent aspect; there are many more aspects to nepotism. That is why the definition says "especially by giving them jobs."

The most privileged and the most hardworking often get lumped together. Take the term actor itself - it can mean a retired person who acts in local community theater plays or a major movie star. If you look at CEOs or business owners - you have people who cruised into their family's wealth with zero effort, and you have people who started in abject poverty and rose up with sheer hard work and determination.

And this is why I find the nepo-baby discourse absurd. Not a single person is against nepotism as a whole. If people really were against nepotism, they would look at every job, every industry, every level of it. Nepotism is more egregious in corporations than in movies.

What people really are against the richest and the privileged who use their power and influence to give desirable, glamorous, and popular jobs to their undeserving family members while actively denying hardworking, deserving people their fair shot.

Okay, lemme put it this way. Which of Vicky's films did he get because he was his dad's son?

I am not sure exactly what you are objecting to. Everyone accepts Ranbir's privilege is much higher but that doesn't make Vicky Kaushal a non-nepo. Salman Khan is considered a nepo, Javed Akhtar's kids are considered nepo, Ajay Devgan is nepo and so is Shraddha Kapoor / Ananya Pandey.

Are you sure people are lining up to offer starring roles to daughters of Shakti Kapoor or Chunkey Pandey? It's not like their dad's are immensely powerful to influence big production houses / directors. Maybe what happened was - being Shakti Kapoor's daughter gave Shraddha access to parties where people noticed how beautiful she is and that led to offers? Not being Shakti Kapoors daughter but her having access + beauty. Same for Ananya Pandey.

Rakesh Roshan made a movie for his son but his son worked hard to transform himself for his 1st movie - the most refined performance in a first movie. And he upped his dad's hit movie count with high success rate. So instead of nepotism where someone is doing their relative a favor, their seems to be mutually beneficial partnership. It's their family business and both of them worked hard - why shouldn't that be acknowledged? So, why is calling Vicky Kaushal a nepo an insult to his hard work?

Originally posted by: 1t1svat1t1s

By eliminating the most popular character Sakeena from the narrative and inserting his son there.By parading his son to every theater and making the MC refer to him as ‘the hero’ of the movie. Another idiot playing the perception game.😆

Thats what he is trying but it's not working. The dancing public cheering loudly is solely for Tara (and Sakeena as well) and it's not something that can be hidden

Originally posted by: YourCat

Katrina don't really help him to get movies..

Agree ... But a curiosity emerges for their audiences. Kiara and Sid have a similar dynamics also 😃

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Okay, lemme put it this way. Which of Vicky's films did he get because he was his dad's son?

All of them!

If he wasn't his dad's son, he would be one of the hundreds of struggling actors who don't get a break. Because he knew someone inside the industry he could secure auditions and opportunities that even outsiders with agents cannot even dream of.

https://giphy.com/gifs/Luv-Films-ranbir-kapoor-ranbirkapoor-shraddhakapoor-SIqR0nY5kcVgSTFlUP

Having access in a nepotistic India with talent is great ... 👍🏼