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Originally posted by: Autumnn

@adventurousman Do you believe in astrology?

How does the law of attraction and astrology both coexist?

astrology is a science in itself. There’s nadi astrology which a lot of people swear by, ofc you’ll encounter a lot of fake gurus who’ll read your chart and do cold reading and impress gullible people or scare them but at best it would be cold reading.

LOA has to do with meta physics. It’s flipping the switch. Before things used to happen to me now I’m making them happen. Everything is interconnected everything has an influence on us, we can’t survive in isolation. So the planet’s other people, our environment all of that has an effect on us then there’s our diet, sleep, exercise or lack thereof then there’s our relationships etc

point is all of it effects us not just the positions of planets.

biggest thing is our conditioning, our model of reality. What is your model of reality? What is possible in it? What can happen to you? What do you deserve to have? Do you need to work hard for it to feel deserving of having it? Or you believe without working hard for it it’s impossible to get it?

are you worthy of love? Do you feel it? Do you feel worthy of having good things in life? Do you feel worthy of having good health? Do you feel capable of doing xyz? Can xyz happen to you? Do you feel worthy of that person’s love? What kind of thoughts go through your head? What do you feel generally? What images pop up? What type of person are you (in your head)?

What do you see? Do you see poverty? Lack? Illness? Hate? Greed? Or do you see love, compassion, kindness, forgiveness, health, abundance, freedom?

all of this is not what is happening out there but it’s actually our model of reality. Who we think we’re, what we’re capable of, what we’re deserving of, what can come to us easy and what can’t.

all this determines how we move what we do and what happens to us.

From age 0-4 we are conditioned 50% then till the age of 7 we get to 75% the remaining is done in puberty’s where we’re trying to figure ourselves out and the rest of our lives we’re just unconsciously repeating those patterns.

unless we release those patterns we’ll continue them and we can call that fate but it’s unconscious patterns.

you can also call it karma, it’s not do good and you’ll get good. It’s more like a tape recorder where everything is recorded and collected. All the data is collected and stored and will be used for further reference. The interpretation is also done through the eyes of the child for eg a dog bit you as a child so now as an adult you see a dog and you get scared, why? Because the child is still in there and it’s recorded. The event was interpreted as dogs are dangerous so now that’s a fact for you so you’ll respond accordingly.

it’s doing so for your own protection but it doesn’t know any better and it doesn’t know the harm it’s doing.

if you were made to feel that you’re unworthy of love then that would be your truth and no amount of affirmations is gonna help until you dig deep and see through that belief.

so we carry many things and it goes into past lives as well. The soul selects the womb which is best suitable for its goal, which will help it evolve fulfill its desires.

so if the soul knows you need to face hardships in order to realize a few things then that’s what will happen then you won’t have a life of privilege because it’s not in your best interest and you won’t advance, grow.

positive experiences are good but they don’t lead to growth it’s usually the painful experiences that lead us to growth so don’t be too quick to judge them.

which brings me to non judgment. When you go outside of polarity. You get into singularity. You’re then functioning from a very different place because then the bad is not even seen as bad. Without our reaction to it and interpretation it doesn’t actually exist.

we also don’t know what is good or bad for us because we only look at the surface we don’t know where it’s leading us so if you’re not getting something that you want, don’t be disappointed. It might be in your best interest you never know.

we’re just moving in circles like a wheel. The whole existence is cyclical. Ultimately the aatma wants to be free.

Originally posted by: Maharani69

The last time you posted about manifestations, I bookmarked that thread, in 2017. I thought maybe I’ll look into it but I was too lazy so I didn’t lol but I still enjoy reading about your experiences. Megan Fox’s Ayahuasca experience was wildddd tho.

Originally posted by: atominis

So someone cannot use LOA on me to get revenge on me or project own frustrations or hate towards me?

I am reading this once I get the needed time. Thanks everyone for tips and adventurousman.

Thanks adventurousman

Actually wanted to know if as per astrology everything is predefined in ones life then how does freewill as per LOA comes into play?

Originally posted by: adventurousman

astrology is a science in itself. There’s nadi astrology which a lot of people swear by, ofc you’ll encounter a lot of fake gurus who’ll read your chart and do cold reading and impress gullible people or scare them but at best it would be cold reading.

LOA has to do with meta physics. It’s flipping the switch. Before things used to happen to me now I’m making them happen. Everything is interconnected everything has an influence on us, we can’t survive in isolation. So the planet’s other people, our environment all of that has an effect on us then there’s our diet, sleep, exercise or lack thereof then there’s our relationships etc

point is all of it effects us not just the positions of planets.

biggest thing is our conditioning, our model of reality. What is your model of reality? What is possible in it? What can happen to you? What do you deserve to have? Do you need to work hard for it to feel deserving of having it? Or you believe without working hard for it it’s impossible to get it?

are you worthy of love? Do you feel it? Do you feel worthy of having good things in life? Do you feel worthy of having good health? Do you feel capable of doing xyz? Can xyz happen to you? Do you feel worthy of that person’s love? What kind of thoughts go through your head? What do you feel generally? What images pop up? What type of person are you (in your head)?

What do you see? Do you see poverty? Lack? Illness? Hate? Greed? Or do you see love, compassion, kindness, forgiveness, health, abundance, freedom?

all of this is not what is happening out there but it’s actually our model of reality. Who we think we’re, what we’re capable of, what we’re deserving of, what can come to us easy and what can’t.

all this determines how we move what we do and what happens to us.

From age 0-4 we are conditioned 50% then till the age of 7 we get to 75% the remaining is done in puberty’s where we’re trying to figure ourselves out and the rest of our lives we’re just unconsciously repeating those patterns.

unless we release those patterns we’ll continue them and we can call that fate but it’s unconscious patterns.

you can also call it karma, it’s not do good and you’ll get good. It’s more like a tape recorder where everything is recorded and collected. All the data is collected and stored and will be used for further reference. The interpretation is also done through the eyes of the child for eg a dog bit you as a child so now as an adult you see a dog and you get scared, why? Because the child is still in there and it’s recorded. The event was interpreted as dogs are dangerous so now that’s a fact for you so you’ll respond accordingly.

it’s doing so for your own protection but it doesn’t know any better and it doesn’t know the harm it’s doing.

if you were made to feel that you’re unworthy of love then that would be your truth and no amount of affirmations is gonna help until you dig deep and see through that belief.

so we carry many things and it goes into past lives as well. The soul selects the womb which is best suitable for its goal, which will help it evolve fulfill its desires.

so if the soul knows you need to face hardships in order to realize a few things then that’s what will happen then you won’t have a life of privilege because it’s not in your best interest and you won’t advance, grow.

positive experiences are good but they don’t lead to growth it’s usually the painful experiences that lead us to growth so don’t be too quick to judge them.

which brings me to non judgment. When you go outside of polarity. You get into singularity. You’re then functioning from a very different place because then the bad is not even seen as bad. Without our reaction to it and interpretation it doesn’t actually exist.

we also don’t know what is good or bad for us because we only look at the surface we don’t know where it’s leading us so if you’re not getting something that you want, don’t be disappointed. It might be in your best interest you never know.

we’re just moving in circles like a wheel. The whole existence is cyclical. Ultimately the aatma wants to be free.

Thanks a lot. Your posts are deep.

I am going to ask more questions if you do not mind:

1) Can LOA be used to know oneself and know why we did what we did or why others did to us what they did?

2) Can and how LOA be used to change or get rid of wrong patterns we internalised from childhood or family or teachers, parents, society and media? And how to stop repeating same patterns?

3) Can someone manifest own death through LOA, say if one is suicidal and wants to die or manifest own death?

4) Can LOA be used, and how, to heal or treat disorders like say, depression, BPD, cPTSD, learned helplessness, paralysed will, escapism?

5) LOA, aside, in terms of general mind management, is it possible to totally control or give makeover to own mind, change own personality and control your own thoughts and undo influence of past and stop being affected or hypersensitive by others (including people or events)?

Originally posted by: adventurousman

ofc not. They don’t have the power nor have they cultivated true power to do anything like this. They’re powerless but if you believe they can then in your experience they’ll appear to do so because you’ll be giving it energy and interpreting events to support your belief.

so don’t believe all this. They can feel hate towards you but guess what? They’re the ones feeling it. You don’t have to feel it or participate in their madness.

💯! I am a strong believer of other people’s opinion of me not being any of my business. I wasn’t always like this but ever since I started walking on this path few years ago, IDGAF truly. Life feels so much lighter and happier as a result.

Originally posted by: atominis

Thanks a lot. Your posts are deep.

I am going to ask more questions if you do not mind:

1) Can LOA be used to know oneself and know why we did what we did or why others did to us what they did?

2) Can and how LOA be used to change or get rid of wrong patterns we internalised from childhood or family or teachers, parents, society and media? And how to stop repeating same patterns?

3) Can someone manifest own death through LOA, say if one is suicidal and wants to die or manifest own death?

4) Can LOA be used, and how, to heal or treat disorders like say, depression, BPD, cPTSD, learned helplessness, paralysed will, escapism?

5) LOA, aside, in terms of general mind management, is it possible to totally control or give makeover to own mind, change own personality and control your own thoughts and undo influence of past and stop being affected or hypersensitive by others (including people or events)?

1) it’s not loa but you can certainly find those things out. Loa is simply like attracts like so you’ll attract what you’re. So to attract something else you have to be someone else who’s a vibrational match to that reality.

You can only know yourself through awareness. The more aware you’re of your thoughts, emotions and allow them without judgment the more you can accept yourself and see yourself as you’re. That seeing can actually bring in change. For eg I enter a dark room and I see a snake so what happens when I see the snake? I panic, I go into fight and flight mode, my stress hormones are released but then I switch on the light and find out it’s a rope.

The moment I see its a rope all fear disappears. I didn’t need to runaway, fight the snake, kill it. I just had to see it for what it is in this case it was a rope.

Seeing things clearly free us.

What we or others do is mostly unconscious patterns. They’re not aware of it and neither are we. It’s the conditioning nothing else. It’s also a personality type. There’re like 4 major archetypes and we all have our own personalities so if someone is more inclined to be mean then they would be rude unless they become aware that will happen automatically so it has nothing to do with you but yes you can be the kind of person they can take it out on so if someone tends to get angry a lot they’ll try to find someone or something to lash out on. Now if you’re a vibrational match to that then they’ll lash out on you otherwise they won’t or you won’t encounter them in that state. The energy will be different and if they still lash out you won’t participate therefore deriving them of all it’s power.

They also don’t want to be angry so if you dissipate that energy by not taking part in it they’ll calm down. So as I said you change and their reaction towards you will change.

2) it can’t be done through loa alone although you can do a lot by changing your focus but for all of this awareness is the key along with your intention.

So if you want something let’s say you want that girl/boy, by just imagining you’re with them won’t be enough because if there’re underline beliefs of self worth, acceptance, self love then those will come in the way. For that you need another healing modality. I posted a link to my previous thread on SSR and in that thread I talked about a lot of healing modalities.

You can then pick one and stick with it. You can for eg do quantum light breath by jeru kabbal. It’ll bring out a lot of stuff to the surface and you can release them. I also like it because it just works unconsciously. You don’t have to consciously sit and figure it out. You can also read his book finding clarity. He gives a lot of techniques there which you can use and heal yourself.

Internal family system is another one.

3) if you focus on something long enough you might make it happen but who’s making you focus on it? Where are they coming from? I actually came close to this and at the time I didn’t know what i was doing. I made myself so sick that I almost died but then I didn’t so there was something in me which still wanted to live or you can say the journey wasn’t over so don’t think about that stuff if you keep thinking you’re sick then you’ll be sick, you’ll feel sick, you’ll act like a sick person but knowing this why would you? Also don’t fear your thoughts or think this loa is some kind of force and that if you think negatively or of killing yourself then you’ll manifest it, it’s not that easy and there’re other forces at work so nothing to worry about 😁

4) loa is used for manifestation that’s it but if you’re not healed you’ll have a tough time manifesting as those blockages will interfere and as I said it’s all interconnected. You can use other healing modalities I mentioned above which can heal you.

5) yes but it’ll require a lot of work. Mostly it’ll be through meditation. Through being aware, through creating distance between you and what you see that includes your mind, body.

The influence of past won’t be done till you totally exhaust your karma which is not that easy as we first have to stop creating new karma so if I talk about this it’ll be too spiritual, you want me to talk about it?

Let’s imagine you’re not doing anything and it’s all just happening. Thoughts are happening, feelings are happening, images are popping up. Can you see all this happening within you and not do anything about it?

It can be done through meditation, being aware. You stop creating new karma when you see you’re not actually doing anything then you actually surrender because you just realized you were never in the driver seat to begin with. You were in the passenger seat thinking you are driving now that you know you’re not doing anything then you just relax and things happen.

The things that seem like you’re doing is also just happening. Next time you stand up see your body standing up instead of you, see legs walking instead of ‘you’ walking. See ears are hearing instead of I’m hearing then you become the observer. Someone abuses you but all you hear is words and there’s no who’s being effected by it.

The observer is separate from the observed. So if you can see your thoughts then you’re separate from the process of thinking because you’re the one who’s seeing it.

When you see another person you know it’s not you because there’s distance. You’re here and they’re there. There’s gap. If you can create the same gap which actually already exists. You can see your thoughts as something apart from you, something that is just happening and you’re aware of it but you’re the one who’s aware of it. Same goes for feelings.

But it’s a spiritual practice. Rupert spira teaches this kind of meditation really well so if you’re open to it I recommend him.

There’s also Osho’s dynamic meditation which will help you release a lot of unconscious stuff.

Then there’s un-doing by hyatt which will dismantle your whole personality, your way of being. https://www.amazon.com/Undoing-Yourself-Energized-Meditation-Devices/dp/1561840572

So start somewhere, take baby steps don’t wait around for more knowledge or whatever 😁👍

Originally posted by: Autumnn

Thanks adventurousman

Actually wanted to know if as per astrology everything is predefined in ones life then how does freewill as per LOA comes into play?

Yeah it’s the old philosopher question of determinism vs free will.

Check out this channel and this video https://youtu.be/vCGtkDzELAI

We’ve relative free will but we can have total free will for that we’ve to be totally free to begin with.

What’s limiting me is my own limitations and if I find a way to dissolve them and be more free therefore manifest more then who’s to say I wasn’t destined to do so?

How many people are aware of these teachings? How many are aware and actually practicing? How many are aware, practicing and continue to practice till they succeed? Nothing is set in stone. It’s like a direction. It’s like the floor has cracks so water will flow through those cracks because it’s a path of least resistance but it can be changed but if we let it then it’ll just keep taking that path because of least resistance.

Our psyche is the same. It doesn’t like change so it keeps going back to what’s familiar doesn’t mean something new can not happen it’ll just take a little bit of will and there are also tools to develop your will because our will can and most likely is damaged so I want to do something but I can’t because I don’t have any will in that case I’d have to develop my will first then I can succeed in doing what I wanted to do.

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