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Originally posted by: arnavfluffy

Did you just try to rationalize holocaust and blame it on nationalism?

Thats not nationalism.

But for nazis holocaust was nationalism. All types of hypernationalism have capability of turning into nazism

Originally posted by: arnavfluffy

Did you just try to rationalize holocaust and blame it on nationalism?

Thats not nationalism.

No, she gave a historically accurate rundown of events which led to it.

And when Germans called it nationalism, why would outsiders deny it?

Nazi Party, National Socialist German Workers’ Party, German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei

Patriotism is not the same as nationalism.

Originally posted by: arnavfluffy

Itna bhi liberal mat banjao ki you become mentally retarded.

Hindus were mass murdered by Muslims in Kashmir and the remaining Hindus had to flee their homes.

Thats a fact and no amount of rationalization or justification will change it.

And people still have the guts to try and rationlize this terrorism.

And f.ing Pak has the audacity to say Free Kashmir!! Yes please free kashmir from Pak and Chinese terrorism..

India needs to get back the illegally occupied POK and COK.

Kashmir is part of India. Period.

Liberalism ki baat nhi hai...Itna bhi right wing mat bano ki judgement ka sense hi lose ho jaye.

Originally posted by: janakai

Yes.....bcoz currently muslims in the country are being heavily targetted both directly and indirectly and this movie can add fuel to fire.

Yeah, so let's just clam up on Muslim extremism and push them under the carpet.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

You can trace it all the way back to before WWI in the late 1800s when we saw the slow rise of nationalism. Kaiser Wilhelm II felt that Germany (Prussian Empire) had fallen behind other European powers and there was a push to make Prussia great again. Things came to head in WWI. During that war, the Prussian Empire faced a significant loss.

WWI ended with the treaty of Versailles and the formation of the Weimar Republic. The treaty had some devastating economic reparations forced on the unstable new nation plunging them into hyperinflation and other crisis.

Parallel to all this antisemitic sentiment was fomenting. German nationalists believed that Germany didn't lose WWI but was betrayed by the Jews who weren't loyal or true Germans. Prior to WWI itself, German nationalists were distributing anti-Jewish propaganda like this pamphlet and the WWI strengthened people's beliefs that Jews were a problem. From targeting Jews as antinational who should be punished for their treason - it escalated rapidly into the holocaust where Jews across Eastern Europe were being exterminated.

Although, the Nazis are the most notorious example of hypernationalism - almost all nationalist regimes before and after the Nazis have scapegoated minorities.

I'm sorry, but rationalization IS justification. What you said is merely historical context, not rationalization. But what Barkha did is rationalizing the genocide.

Originally posted by: Mahisa_22

Yeah, so let's just clam up on Muslim extremism and push them under the carpet.

so what do you want...that muslims who are not responsible pay for muslims who were responsible. And honestly how do you want them pay back?? They cant turn back time. Most of them accept it was wrong and shouldnt have happened. What next??

the pain and horror inflicted on the kashmiri pandits is often not acknowledged or shrugged aside in favour of the larger kashmir ka masla. When i first saw the trailer I did think that its possible that the movie might fuel anti Muslim sentiment given whats happening in our country today. But then is there ever a right time for the victims to tell their stories? I guess my apprehensions stem more from the people involved in this film.

... I hope that the movie deals with this history honestly and sensitively as the kashmiri pandits deserve.

If anyone is interested in reading on the subject pls pick up 'my moon has blood clots'. An absolutely exceptional book on the exodus. If anyone has any other recommendations, pls do tell.

Originally posted by: janakai

so what do you want...that muslims who are not responsible pay for muslims who were responsible. And honestly how do you want them pay back?? They cant turn back time. Most of them accept it was wrong and shouldnt have happened. What next??

I want Pandits to get justice and for the movie to tell their story. As simple as that.

Originally posted by: Mahisa_22

I want Pandits to get justice and for the movie to tell their story. As simple as that.

This.

I don't want the younger generation - Hindu or Muslim - to be targeted for what happened back then. However it is important to acknowledge history and to admit what went wrong, irrespective of religion or cast. Only then can the country move forward.

But we have "great" minds like Barkha Dutt who have God knows what agenda. I can never forgive the women for her reporting during 26/11. I can't even tell you where our anxiety and panic levels were at because of journalists like her.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

No life is expendable. But when you factor in colonization, partition, and generations of strife - the issue becomes complex.

I'm seeing a clip of Barkha explaining how/why something happened not judging whether it was a right/wrong/good/bad thing that happened.

There is never any excuse for genocide, let alone a single murder. However. rationalization is not justification. It is necessary to understand why and how something happened in the hopes of trying to prevent history from repeating itself. When studying any war or genocide, part of the study includes exploring the causes - what events, circumstances, human actions led to the final atrocity.

You're right. There were clearly a lot of complex, layered, nuanced sociopolitical issues that forced rabid Islamists to tell Kashmiri Hindus to get the hell out of the valley but leave their women. Gotcha.

I suppose the same "complex" issues were at work during the Moplah "rebellion" of 1921, or the Naokhali riots of 1946 or the genocide of Bangladeshi Hindus in 1971 etc etc.