Do you agree with the message of ZNMD movie? - Page 6

Originally posted by: powpow

I think with two rich friends like Kabir & Arjun, they prolly covered most of the trip.. imraan only paid for the diving part..? it’s not totally unimaginable for a friend to pay for you.. one of mine paid my air ticket to marseille and most expenses and she sure isn’t a rich person.. just that she had a bit more than me.. sure we lived on the cheaper side and also we live within the EU and it’s not too expensive.. but you do things acc to your budget.. I am sure the makers of the movie didn’t intend for ppl to start making international trips.. context is important.. no one other than yourself can know what is best or what works for you in that particular point of life..

Tbh you cant really compare the middle class of EU with India. How much does it cost to go to fellow European countries if you live in Europe? My uni mates who are Spanish went to Amsterdam and it cost them like 20 pounds for travelling and other bills which were not expensive since they lived in AirBnB but if I am going to Europe from Pakistan or India it will cost way more than that since the flights are expensive and also the exchange rate.

Originally posted by: powpow

They did that, Goa, ten years before this movie.. I guess ppl would whine how it was copying DCH.. they just tried to show another perspective.. I am sure there are rich enough ppl in India who make these sorta trips.. anyway, I think you’re taking the movie too literally.. don’t know if it’s such a good idea? Lol

A lot of people take such movies literally and that's the reason they get carefree and careless with life without caring about others. The movie pretty much contradicted itself too. At one point they are showing how Salman Habib was not a good person because he didn't care about his wife (or girlfriend?) when she got pregnant but in a scene few minutes after that, Hrithik is saying you shouldn't marry Natasha because its your life and not your parents so its pretty much contradiction.

Originally posted by: roni_berna

The movie had a message? I just remember the songs Senorita and the tomato party 😆

Bruhhhh😆

Was there any message?? I don't think it conveyed anything. Film was so bad I went to get myself a massage to feel better.

A wholeass urdu poetry is thrown at you in the end so you keep digging it's underlying meaning and context , while in real there is no meaning. Just a empty vessel full of pretence.

Originally posted by: InspectorShirke

What was Imran's job in the movie? I really don't know, was he a writer? The movie is unrealistic in many ways but the only thing it did good was the tourism of Spain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KH9eOx60p8

Originally posted by: InspectorShirke

Tbh you cant really compare the middle class of EU with India. How much does it cost to go to fellow European countries if you live in Europe? My uni mates who are Spanish went to Amsterdam and it cost them like 20 pounds for travelling and other bills which were not expensive since they lived in AirBnB but if I am going to Europe from Pakistan or India it will cost way more than that since the flights are expensive and also the exchange rate.

yeah similarly I wouldn't just be able to travel to Asia/or Aus just like that cuz can't afford.. that's why context, and knowing your budget is important.. and you don't need a movie to tell or teach you all that?

Originally posted by: InspectorShirke

A lot of people take such movies literally and that's the reason they get carefree and careless with life without caring about others. The movie pretty much contradicted itself too. At one point they are showing how Salman Habib was not a good person because he didn't care about his wife (or girlfriend?) when she got pregnant but in a scene few minutes after that, Hrithik is saying you shouldn't marry Natasha because its your life and not your parents so its pretty much contradiction.

Mm think you might have totally misread the movie.. it's one of my most favorite hindi movies of all times but can't write anything atm, cuz sunday and hangover, LOL 😆

Originally posted by: InspectorShirke

The message is that you should your life to the fullest and not care about work or anything other than love and fun. Tbh this message might look good in a movie but is it practical? IMO it's not. There is a time in life when you have to be professional and think about your present and future. You can't be carefree all the time.

I don’t think this was the message at all. I think there were two main “messages” .

1. Make decisions, dont let others make them for you. A decision you make is a mental commitment and healthy commitments are good for you and will help you stay on course during tough times. When you just go along without making that mental commitment you are more likely to quit and/or resent and blame others when the going gets tough. Kabir is pretty obvious. He didn’t decide to marry but he was just about to marry a girl he was not mentally committed to, he drifted into an engagement based on his girlfriend’s mistake and his inability to tell her it was a mistake and his moment of growth was deciding to tell her the truth and not marry. But Imraan’s fathers also. Imraan’s birth father didn’t want a wife and baby and -though he probably has no right to - he ends up blaming Imraan’s mother for wanting a child. He did decide he wasn’t cut out for it and leave which on the one hand was terrible but the fact that he made that decision meant he didn’t stick around being a half-hearted loser dad and husband. He cleared the way for Imraan’s “real” father who decided to be a father and husband and did both well.

2. As others said, to be happy you need life balance. Arjun and Imraan are kind of foils. Arjun took everything seriously. Imraan took nothing seriously. Arjun was a workaholic. Imraan - what did he do? Both were doing things to make themselves happy and neither was really happy. There is a whole subset of psychology that deals with what makes people mentally stable and happy and it turns out most people really have wrong ideas about what will make them happy and spend their entire lives chasing the wrong things. Money makes poor people happier. It doesn’t make middle class or rich people happier. You think it will, instinct tells us it will, but research shows it doesn’t. Material luxury doesn’t make you happy for long (people have an amazing ability to get used to stuff - hedonic adaptation - and you will get used to whatever wonderful thing you get shockingly quickly and it will not make you happy anymore). If you chase money, it will not make you happy and will never ever feel like enough. Upward social comparison (other people have more money, a better spouse, better houses, better jobs, etc. than me) is poison for the mind and why no one ever feels like they have enough even if in fact they have everything they need. Experiences (like vacations) make you happier than material possessions and the happiness lasts longer but not forever. Relationships and social support make you happy. Purposeful/meaningful work makes you happy. Gratitude makes you happy.

Everything but work was lacking in Arjun’s life. He ignored his friends, neglected his girlfriend and spent his life in pursuit of riches thinking it would fix everything that went wrong when his father died. He could have carried on that way his whole life and would have died a rich man and poor soul. Imraan was (I’m guessing based on character) rich in experiences but lacking otherwise. Neither had balance. Neither was happy.

People also tend to think they will have some time in the future to focus on being happy but this moment won’t come again and the next may never come. Life is only ever right now. Don’t miss it thinking there will be some better time to enjoy it.

The movie's name is Zindagi Na Milegi Dobara which literally translates to YOLO. You can only live YOLO lifestyle if you could afford it. Remember in Chalte Chalte where SRK's character was careless/carefree and it ended up almost ruining the married life of SRK and Kajol?

Originally posted by: Nova19

I don’t think this was the message at all. I think there were two main “messages” .

1. Make decisions, dont let others make them for you. A decision you make is a mental commitment and healthy commitments are good for you and will help you stay on course during tough times. When you just go along without making that mental commitment you are more likely to quit and/or resent and blame others when the going gets tough. Kabir is pretty obvious. He didn’t decide to marry but he was just about to marry a girl he was not mentally committed to, he drifted into an engagement based on his girlfriend’s mistake and his inability to tell her it was a mistake and his moment of growth was deciding to tell her the truth and not marry. But Imraan’s fathers also. Imraan’s birth father didn’t want a wife and baby and -though he probably has no right to - he ends up blaming Imraan’s mother for wanting a child. He did decide he wasn’t cut out for it and leave which on the one hand was terrible but the fact that he made that decision meant he didn’t stick around being a half-hearted loser dad and husband. He cleared the way for Imraan’s “real” father who decided to be a father and husband and did both well.

2. As others said, to be happy you need life balance. Arjun and Imraan are kind of foils. Arjun took everything seriously. Imraan took nothing seriously. Arjun was a workaholic. Imraan - what did he do? Both were doing things to make themselves happy and neither was really happy. There is a whole subset of psychology that deals with what makes people mentally stable and happy and it turns out most people really have wrong ideas about what will make them happy and spend their entire lives chasing the wrong things. Money makes poor people happier. It doesn’t make middle class or rich people happier. You think it will, instinct tells us it will, but research shows it doesn’t. Material luxury doesn’t make you happy for long (people have an amazing ability to get used to stuff - hedonic adaptation - and you will get used to whatever wonderful thing you get shockingly quickly and it will not make you happy anymore). If you chase money, it will not make you happy and will never ever feel like enough. Upward social comparison (other people have more money, a better spouse, better houses, better jobs, etc. than me) is poison for the mind and why no one ever feels like they have enough even if in fact they have everything they need. Experiences (like vacations) make you happier than material possessions and the happiness lasts longer but not forever. Relationships and social support make you happy. Purposeful/meaningful work makes you happy. Gratitude makes you happy.

Everything but work was lacking in Arjun’s life. He ignored his friends, neglected his girlfriend and spent his life in pursuit of riches thinking it would fix everything that went wrong when his father died. He could have carried on that way his whole life and would have died a rich man and poor soul. Imraan was (I’m guessing based on character) rich in experiences but lacking otherwise. Neither had balance. Neither was happy.

People also tend to think they will have some time in the future to focus on being happy but this moment won’t come again and the next may never come. Life is only ever right now. Don’t miss it thinking there will be some better time to enjoy it.

Thank you 👏🏼 everything my incoherent brain was thinking but couldn’t express lol

Here’s another take on the movie, don’t agree with all of it.. but I find it rather Interesting

https://dontcallitbollywood.com/2019/12/19/zindagi-na-milegi-dobara-the-loneliness-of-masculinity/