Why do TV actors fail on big screen? - Page 5

Originally posted by: ninny

He was good in kedarnath. Sara had an author backed role. Still I saw many people praising sush for his role. It is not his fault that his co star turned out to be a PR hungry despo.

Exactly.... And It was her debut role. People were excited for her.

Originally posted by: ninny

It is subjective. Even Bollywood actors are blah. There are very few actors who have that charm and talent. The problem is audience themselves encourages nepotism and prejudice by overhyping these average star kids and looks down upon outsiders.

I agree that these days we don't find the kind of talent that was there few decades ago. All these new gen actors are hogging limelight many reasons but acting. Salman, SRK, Aamir, HR, Akshay and a few more would be the last gen of stars who actually enjoyed superstardom for the right reasons. There was no social media back then or this hyper PR trend that we see these days but these people still managed to stay on top. I don't think these new gen actors really have that factor in them or may be they are more driven to get fame via other reasons.

@bold I couldn't agree more. People are more inclined to know what's going on in SRK's son life and when he is going to make a debut than giving a newcomer a chance. I get surprised at times that the kids of these celebs already have fanclubs to their name in SM. Bhai Kiya Kya hai inhone jo fanclubs ban gye h?

Originally posted by: ninny

He was good in kedarnath. Sara had an author backed role. Still I saw many people praising sush for his role. It is not his fault that his co star turned out to be a PR hungry despo.

I'm not talking about who got a better role. Sara took all the credit for the movie's success despite being a debutante. That wouldn't be possible if Sushant was a big enough star to held his own. I'm not saying Sara was responsible for its success. But if she can make it look like that even through her aggressive PR speaks volumes about Sushant's bankability. She couldn't have done that if there was RK, RS or Varun in Kedarnath in place of Sushant.

Originally posted by: tanvismile

Kounse jhande ghade means? Tiger ne Kounse jhande ghade? He is existing because he is a shroff... Till Now at least he is just a version of hrithik Roshan. Coming sushant ayushman these guys have established themselves as bollywood actors. Karthik is doing better lol he is just overhyped.... Getting attention because of personal life heroines costar or because ur someone s daughter or son.... Getting attention isn't success....

Tiger has more number of hits to his credit than Sushant, a popular franchise of his own, a blockbuster film and a big 25 crore opening to his name which hasn't yet been given by forum's superstar Ranveer. Tiger is much more established than Sushant, Ayushmann or Karthik and you can't credit all that to nepotism.

Sushant only hit in his filmography where he can get credit is SDR, and even there I'll say Pari was the bigger star.

Karthik has got recent hits with SKTKS and Luka Chhupi, so yes, currently he's ahead of Sushant. Getting attention isn't success but box office is.

Originally posted by: Luna46

Tiger has more number of hits to his credit than Sushant, a popular franchise of his own, a blockbuster film and a big 25 crore opening to his name which hasn't yet been given by forum's superstar Ranveer. Tiger is much more established than Sushant, Ayushmann or Karthik and you can't credit all that to nepotism.

Sushant only hit in his filmography where he can get credit is SDR, and even there I'll say Pari was the bigger star.

Karthik has got recent hits with SKTKS and Luka Chhupi, so yes, currently he's ahead of Sushant. Getting attention isn't success but box office is.

There is also always someone above and someone below.... that s isnt a way of judging success of actor. Sushant is way above many.... It's about perspective....

By the way u r the same who comes on Kulfi Kumar bajewala who bashes the little girl kulfi. I heard u r troll.... By That means u will go on n on I m not interested.

Originally posted by: tanvismile

There is also always someone above and someone below.... that s isnt a way of judging success of actor. Sushant is way above many.... It's about perspective....

By the way u r the same who comes on Kulfi Kumar bajewala who bashes the little girl kulfi. I heard u r troll.... By That means u will go on n on I m not interested.

What is the way of judging the success of an actor other than box office? I thought we were talking about why TV actors fail in Bollywood. Sushant failed because his movies have failed. It's as simple as that. Otherwise what is failure according to you? Show me the perspective you are seeing.

Don't bring debates of other forums to make your points valid. What made you think I'm trolling right now? Stick to the topic we are currently discussing on. If you think my points are weak or don't make sense, prove it.

Irfan did numerous, numerous TV shows before he became BW’s answer to Dustin Hoffman

Vidya Balan started out on TV

When you look at the current crop of BW stars, you have to wonder where the snootiness of some BW fans stems from....

Originally posted by: Luna46

What is the way of judging the success of an actor other than box office? I thought we were talking about why TV actors fail in Bollywood. Sushant failed because his movies have failed. It's as simple as that. Otherwise what is failure according to you? Show me the perspective you are seeing.

Don't bring debates of other forums to make your points valid. What made you think I'm trolling right now? Stick to the topic we are currently discussing on. If you think my points are weak or don't make sense, prove it.

When did sushant fail? First of do u even know why was sushant brought into discussion. It was said ayushman mrunal only tv actors who were not successful on TV became successful on big screen. So that's how sushant is brought because despite having a successful career on TV he has succeeded in bollywood. Actors from tv like hiten tejwani were not even getting main lead in films. There were always getting films where they were brothers of hero s... Then amna shariff one film she did with aftab .... Then rajeev khanderwal his film career stopped aftee getting two films .... That too unrecognised directors no leading heroines.... Then ksg jennifer winget these people did films which got scrapped.... Then gurmeet choudary again he did some b grade films.... Many of actors stuck to b grade cinema.... They never even got to work A listers.... Vidya balan irfan Khan manoj bajpai are some great actors from tv.... Not Likes of stars like khan with box office pull but they are successful.

Yes some of ur points don't make sense... And i cant keep arguing with on n on....

The star kids u talking about.... Their films may get good opening because they are heavily promoted.... They get good launch.... There is PR for them. It's kind of unfair to compare their with others. For them everything is on platter. Born with silver spoon. There is person to get films.... One film flops.... More five films in kitty.... They promoted them heavily on their shows.... PR....Then Even put up paid reviews.... manipulate box office numbers.... So On.... They wouldn't even manage to get film on their own if they were not born in influencial families of Bollywood.

Originally posted by: tanvismile

When did sushant fail? First of do u even know why was sushant brought into discussion. It was said ayushman mrunal only tv actors who were not successful on TV became successful on big screen. So that's how sushant is brought because despite having a successful career on TV he has succeeded in bollywood. Actors from tv like hiten tejwani were not even getting main lead in films. There were always getting films where they were brothers of hero s... Then amna shariff one film she did with aftab .... Then rajeev khanderwal his film career stopped aftee getting two films .... That too unrecognised directors no leading heroines.... Then ksg jennifer winget these people did films which got scrapped.... Then gurmeet choudary again he did some b grade films.... Many of actors stuck to b grade cinema.... They never even got to work A listers.... Vidya balan irfan Khan manoj bajpai are some great actors from tv.... Not Likes of stars like khan with box office pull but they are successful.

Yes some of ur points don't make sense... And i cant keep arguing with on n on....

The star kids u talking about.... Their films may get good opening because they are heavily promoted.... They get good launch.... There is PR for them. It's kind of unfair to compare their with others. For them everything is on platter. Born with silver spoon. There is person to get films.... One film flops.... More five films in kitty.... They promoted them heavily on their shows.... PR....Then Even put up paid reviews.... manipulate box office numbers.... So On.... They wouldn't even manage to get film on their own if they were not born in influencial families of Bollywood.

Sushant failed in getting hit films. That's what failure I guess we were talking about. Sushant was brought into discussion because he was a tv actor. You didn't quote or talk about Ayushmann or Mrunal in your original post so don't know what discussion you are talking about.

Anyway, my main argument was against your claim of sushant not failing in Bollywood because of being overexposed, when Sushant is not the right example for that in the first place.

The term "overexposure" is used as in overexposure to the audience I suppose. Otherwise to whom is an actor going to be overexposed or underexposed or regular exposed? That's where box office comes into play. There is no way of knowing how much is an actor loved by audience other than box office. And in that case Sushant has failed. No one is asking Sushant to give blockbusters like khans, but atleast have the box office pull like his contemporaries. Don't compare Irrfan of Manoj Bajpayee to Sushant. Sushant is a mainstream actor. He does commercial films so his success and failure will be judged according to box office.

If the meaning of success according to you is getting A-list projects or being a good actor or sustaining in Bollywood then fine. I agree that Sushant has done much better in that criteria compared to other TV actors. But that has nothing to do with getting overexposed(which was the main point I was addressing). There are many flop good actors in Bollywood sustaining for years, both star kids and outsiders.

You can't credit everything to nepotism for star kids success. There are many star kids who have failed over the years. Promotions are not enough to get 20 crore+ opening. The lead actor has to have some star power to warrant a bumper opening. Especially in India, where a film is still on the shoulders of the lead actor. And no, box office collections can't be manipulated so easily. Hrithik being a star kid was exposed of manipulating box office collections for his films. Critic reviews hardly matter for audience. PR is used by every star, not just star kids. While I'm not disagreeing that star kids have it way easy than outsiders, but rules of box office are not going to change based on who got it easy or not. Whether it's by getting all the best projects or nepotism, Sushant is not on the same league of Varun or Tiger. Infact, they have less flops than Sushant in their filmography.

Our feelings are mutual. For how many posts are we arguing that you are tired of it going on and on?