For people who say 'Its just a movie' - Page 8

Originally posted by: AllThatCritique

With Kabir Singh,its more of a celebration of an absolute trash of a person and glorification of him in some godly light,even more so than influence. Certainly it tells men these vile things he does gets a pass and gives them a pass because it's oh so heroic and edgy and example of a true man.

They should have removed the knife scene, ice scene , slapping scene and kissing on the cheek scene . Without those scenes too the movie would have been entertaining. I thought Sandeep would remove them but he chose to keep it for promotion purposes.

Originally posted by: MishaNavi

Bold underlined: Did you ACTUALLY just say that?? Do you even realize that taking out a knife and threatening someone to have sex falls under 'attempted rape'? I can't believe what I just read. And being a drug addict has nothing to do with sexual harassment.

Red: yes, that is animal behaviour. Animals urinate on ground to mark their territory. Kabir was 'marking' Preeti as his territory. You're saying that claiming authority on a girl even before getting her consent is not objectification?? Are you serious?

First of all u need to calm down instead of turning a bollywood forum into a moral ground ..if a member opens a controvertial topic in a forum then he/she should b ready fr debates & counter arguments too ..not all will hv same views..

Its clearly visible that u just dint wsnt to entertain a different pov..my simple point was as a girl I will never entertain a psycho drug addict to my house fr a casual sex knowing well that such men can b dangerous and goto extreme limits ..that girl in the movie invited such a psycho addict ..nowhere defending kabir but same time all i m saying is the girl is not a innocent victim either ..

And no i dont see it any sort of animal behaviour and yes I m serious ..Girl clearly had her consent and it was obvious with the way she blushes everytime kabir approach her ..

Noone says kabir was a hero ..But same time dont try to paint it like kabir was a rapist and preeti was her victim ..thats absolutely ridiculous ..2 adults in the movie did everything with mutual consent ..

Originally posted by: AllThatCritique

1. What Kabir does is public indecency noway comparable to a woman exploring her sexuality. I will have you know the amount of times men on the streets who touch their dicks or grind looking at women. Buses,trains,market places. These things are reported everyday. So what Kabir does is blatant public indecency and nothing to do with sexual exploring in one's home.

2. What kinda man pulls a knife and asks a woman to 'open'. I should be glad he didn't rape her? When she says no,THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IT. Nobody gets to pull a knife on someone for sex. That guy's ass needs to be in jail just because of that. The woman's flaw is cheating and the man's flaw is what.. trying to get sex outta pulling a knife? Those two can't be equated. I have said nothing about his alcohol abuse cause that's a flaw. Pulling a knife on a woman for sex is not a flaw. ITS LITERALLY HORRIFYING AND CRIMINAL.

3. Nope. I didnt support the molester at all. That molester and Kabir's alpha male egos got Preeti molested. She became a pawn in their testosterone game. Their proverbial dick measuring contests got Preeti hurt.

4. Kabir was a literal bully. Did she say yes I'll be your girlfriend when he staked her claim like an animal. Did he ask her or take her consent? The onus is on him since he made the claim. And Preeti literally got verbally degraded by him in public where he said she's nothing but his Bandi. That's her identity. I mean we understand what kinda absolute doormat Preeti from this alone. So bringing Preeti here to justify Kabir's caveman ways won't do. Not really. He took advantage of being a senior. He misused her position as a teacher and senior.

U clearly hv a prejudiced one dimentional view & dont want to look beyond that ..so no point of a debate here ..

I would hv understood your point better had u kept a neutral view on both Kabir and Preeti ..but u r trying to mk it look like Kabir was literally forcing Preeti into a physical relation & she everyday got abused in the hands of a monster which is not the case here ..She equally enjoyed his attention & had her own share of flaws ..so its clearly a bias pov against one specific gender in my view ..

Lastly I repeat again lets agree to disagree

Originally posted by: MishaNavi

You were CLEARLY defending Kabir by blaming the girl for inviting him. That's called victim-blaming, right? How would the girl know that he would bring a knife at her? All drug addicts don't go around brandishing knives at folks.

Where did it seem that I don't wanna entertain different POV? I was shocked because you were kind of defending sexual harassment. If that wasn't your intention then its okay.

Also you said that masturbating in public and private are the same. Guess what, the former is a crime and sexual offense. The movie glorified the crime. What do you say about that?

I m not really defending kabir but u r surely defending the girl & making it sound all cool that poor girl how will she know that drug addict can b psycho..so she called a drug addict to hv some fun with her ..All i said was the girl was as much wrong as kabir was ..noone was a saint there ..

About your masturbating point ..i m seeing it in public view in public cinema hall ..so whether its done in pvt or not in the movie is diff debate ..but my simple point is either I will b comfortable watching both in a theatre along with other crowd or i will b in discomfort watching both bec in both cases I m watching with public around me in a cinema hall ..I cannot say ohh I m cool watching a girl masturbate in theatre but i cannot tolerate watching a guy putting ice inside his pants in theatre..So its the hypocrisy of critics that I hv pointed out here ..

Glorification is when u mk an entire song out of u know what ..for example binte dil in padmavat with ranveer in bathtub ..

Originally posted by: AllThatCritique

I don't want a single person to tell me ITS JUST A FREAKIN' MOVIE after this. And I know for certain this is the face of most Indian men because this is the kind of public who is going out and celebrating this pathetic glorification of a man. This is all thats wrong with men in India today. This made me sick. I only watched this cause everyone on Sucharita's video was talking about it and I regret giving this scum a view. But truly, all those people sitting on their high horses thinking Kabir Singh is just a freakin' movie and its success has no bearing on society and how society sees men and women should watch this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2477dHllzkc&feature=youtu.be

THANK YOU

Originally posted by: jyoti06

U clearly hv a prejudiced one dimentional view & dont want to look beyond that ..so no point of a debate here ..

I would hv understood your point better had u kept a neutral view on both Kabir and Preeti ..but u r trying to mk it look like Kabir was literally forcing Preeti into a physical relation & she everyday got abused in the hands of a monster which is not the case here ..She equally enjoyed his attention & had her own share of flaws ..so its clearly a bias pov against one specific gender in my view ..

Lastly I repeat again lets agree to disagree

Sure. I countered every flimsy argument of yours with actual facts. Whether it's consent,misuse of power or public decency. And full offence,you can have a neutral view of attempted rape, not me. There is no bone in my body which will defend a man who threatens women for sex with a knife. Your supposed multidimensional view let's you put Kabir as flawed and his dick icing thing in public as comparable to a masturbation scene in private and blaming Kabir's faults to a woman cheating and having casual sex. Like seriously. What the hell.

Originally posted by: MishaNavi

How was the girl 'as much wrong as Kabir'? Sexual assault is ALWAYS the assaulter's fault no no matter what foolishness the victim does. Here you can say that the girl was foolish but its APPALLING to say that she was AS MUCH to blame as Kabir.

So drug addicts cannot have casual sex? Are you saying that every drug addict is a sexual predator? Kuch bhi, matlab kuch bhi. So many people in Bollywood are druggies, are you saying nobody should have sex with them? I'm sorry, but this is a non-defence.

The criticism of the dick scene was not about public comfort in cinema hall, its about whether the action itself is right or not. I may not be comfortable watching Sawar's masturbation scene but the action itself was not wrong, but what Kabir did was wrong. Its about wrongness of the action not viewers' discomfort.

U cant b foolish or naive if u r calling a guy fr sex at your house ..if kabir was a psychopath ,addict ,sexual abuser etc etc then that girl too was a sex addict & cheater ..and thats precisely my point here ..who is more wrong and less wrong is different debate ..

About the rest lets agree to disagree

I m replying u in a very dignified way ..expecting same response fm u ..

best thing I read in this forum after a long time.

Originally posted by: GhayalParinda

Don't give this crap excuse. If you have a problem with people voicing their opinions, get away from the forum yourself.

Originally posted by: MishaNavi

How was the girl 'as much wrong as Kabir'? Sexual assault is ALWAYS the assaulter's fault no no matter what foolishness the victim does. Here you can say that the girl was foolish but its APPALLING to say that she was AS MUCH to blame as Kabir.

So drug addicts cannot have casual sex? Are you saying that every drug addict is a sexual predator? Kuch bhi, matlab kuch bhi. So many people in Bollywood are druggies, are you saying nobody should have sex with them? I'm sorry, but this is a non-defence.

The criticism of the dick scene was not about public comfort in cinema hall, its about whether the action itself is right or not. I may not be comfortable watching Sawar's masturbation scene but the action itself was not wrong, but what Kabir did was wrong. Its about wrongness of the action not viewers' discomfort.

Am just amused by how everything Kabir does is being defended and blamed on the women instead. He threatened the woman for sex with a knife? Its the cheating woman's fault for having casual sex with a druggie. He misused his seniority and laid claims on a woman like some animal? Arre why didn't the girl say anything. Not like he was a big freakin' bully or something. Nope. He was committing public indecency in the dick icing thing? Well what about a woman masturbating in her own bedroom. You can see the pattern there so clearly.

I see people bringing up Gully Boy as an analogy to Kabir Singh (abusive girl instead of guy) and I just wanted to point out that

1) several people took issue with alia’s character, namely feminists

2) Safina was never violent with Murad. She turned her violence on other girls. So it was internalised misogyny, not misandry.

3) murad cheats on safina, lies about it, and then makes her feel like the bad guy. She begs him to return. He only does so after he realises he doesn’t want kalki. She forgives him Immediately and takes him back though he doesn’t even really apologise. She basically has to coerce him to return after HE CHEATED On HER. In what universe does this show female supremacy?

To sum up, there are several issues with Gully Boy, but they also pertain to misogyny.

As for Kabir Singh, the response and the kind of comments you see from dudebros who are reacting to Kabir Singh criticism as if someone attacked their first born proves that the film didn’t work in spite of the misogyny, it worked BECAUSE of it. Unfortunately, for a lot of desi men, it represents their ultimate fantasy.