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Posted: 6 years ago
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There is a review I found which summed it up for me in this paragraph:


Instead of telling a love story, this film is more focussed on the supposedly conservative middle class viewership that it addresses. This is a misjudgement. People may be prejudiced, but if the movie is about love, they want to see a good narrative, and then, afterwards, maybe, object to the lesbian love in it, perhaps venting themselves in endless and verbose arguments on social media, as is the fashion. But lecturing the audience on the subject from the word go, and getting a young man to mediate between the family and the woman concerned, is patronising and unconvincing on the part of the writers.


Like someone mentioned here, a movie on a guys erectile dysfunction was profitable, a film about sanitary towels too. There's been so-called taboo topics on the big screen and they've been accepted too.

India may have issues with many things but if it's told in an engaging way, they won't care what it's about so I just don't agree that just the theme would stop the movie from getting collections. The film didn't need to SPEAK TO the middle class because then they may actually feel like they're being patronised.

I agree with the issues with the screen count and lack of promotion but in 2019, I don't think India is that backwards that it can't find an audience for controversial topics IF told with a compelling narrative.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: *Reemz*

There is a review I found which summed it up for me in this paragraph:


Instead of telling a love story, this film is more focussed on the supposedly conservative middle class viewership that it addresses. This is a misjudgement. People may be prejudiced, but if the movie is about love, they want to see a good narrative, and then, afterwards, maybe, object to the lesbian love in it, perhaps venting themselves in endless and verbose arguments on social media, as is the fashion. But lecturing the audience on the subject from the word go, and getting a young man to mediate between the family and the woman concerned, is patronising and unconvincing on the part of the writers.


Like someone mentioned here, a movie on a guys erectile dysfunction was profitable, a film about sanitary towels too. There's been so-called taboo topics on the big screen and they've been accepted too.

India may have issues with many things but if it's told in an engaging way, they won't care what it's about so I just don't agree that just the theme would stop the movie from getting collections. The film didn't need to SPEAK TO the middle class because then they may actually feel like they're being patronised.

I agree with the issues with the screen count and lack of promotion but in 2019, I don't think India is that backwards that it can't find an audience for controversial topics IF told with a compelling narrative.


A guy with erectile dysfunction and a woman walking around holding sanitary pads won't get lynched. LGBTQIA people are constantly abused. This review is biaised imo as for "lesser" issues than families would need a mediator.

He forgets that the action takes place in a middle class familly in a small town. He also forgets that the writer actually knows what she was writting about.

I personnally read reviews from people that said it resonated with them.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I read an article that said that India has taken a leap in the sense that in the time Fire had released their was uproar when ELKDTAL's release was met without incident. That's were you can see that people have become more tolerant toward homosexuality but it doesn't mean they are accepting it. So there is still big steps to be taken.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I know it resonates with a large group but to say only homosexuals get lynched is not really accurate. In the society we live in, there's all sorts of discrimination and bullying. If people found out that a guy has an erectile dysfunction, of course there will be mocking. Nobody escapes!

If you see the first half of this movie, it's got unnecessary scenes and characters which people aren't really going to be interested in. I think there seems to be some sort of miscommunication - the criticism isn't for romance, it was for the narrative to give more importance to the love angle because if they did then the whole coming out would've been more impactful. The play was about society against the lovers, the climax was Anil accepting their relationship. We would've cared more if that relationship was given more oomph.

Nobody is going to cause riots over emotionally rooted scenes between a same-sex couple. It's about having a tighter screenplay.

Heck even the director has accepted that this is the only criticism they've got. It's not one or two people, it's the general consensus. Why wasn't there more?
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Here is a link of a 2-minute explaining her movie. It was always meant to be a family movie.
As a fan of Sonam I looked up information of the movie from the get go and it was always presented as such. News that it would have a LGBTQ+ angle leaked only weeks (1to 2 months) before the movie released
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Reemz*

I know it resonates with a large group but to say only homosexuals get lynched is not really accurate. In the society we live in, there's all sorts of discrimination and bullying. If people found out that a guy has an erectile dysfunction, of course there will be mocking. Nobody escapes!

If you see the first half of this movie, it's got unnecessary scenes and characters which people aren't really going to be interested in. I think there seems to be some sort of miscommunication - the criticism isn't for romance, it was for the narrative to give more importance to the love angle because if they did then the whole coming out would've been more impactful. The play was about society against the lovers, the climax was Anil accepting their relationship. We would've cared more if that relationship was given more oomph.

Nobody is going to cause riots over emotionally rooted scenes between a same-sex couple. It's about having a tighter screenplay.

Heck even the director has accepted that this is the only criticism they've got. It's not one or two people, it's the general consensus. Why wasn't there more?



Homosexuals are part of the monorities that always get lynched. They get ostracised for it.

Someone who has erectile dysfonction will have a hard time too but this person will still be part of the bigger crowd and that problem is most often than not hidden.
Those are not comparable.

Those who have been part of a minority know how it feels and homosexuals are barely tolerated nowadays. People don't even talk about it as if it doesn't exist and try to ignore it if a close one is gay.
In a country like India (and many more countries) were mariage is a the center of society, it's hard for them to live their lives. We are talking about countrie were homosexuality is a crime or still was not so long ago.

The intent here was to ease families into seeing the struggle their closed-ones could have living a life in which they had to hide a part of themeselves. Hence why it's first and foremost a family-drama.

I haven't seen the movie so I can't judge if people are being greedy about Kuhu or if she indeed they could have shown more of her.

Anyways, from what I saw on Twitter, it was a movie were some gay people went with their parents.
I also wonder from Raja Sen's review if the man who sat there crying has lost a child because of his intolerance and is now regretting it.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Homosexuals are part of the monorities that always get lynched. They get ostracised for it.

Someone who has erectile dysfonction will have a hard time too but this person will still be part of the bigger crowd and that problem is most often than not hidden.
Those are not comparable.

Those who have been part of a minority know how it feels and homosexuals are barely tolerated nowadays. People don't even talk about it as if it doesn't exist and try to ignore it if a close one is gay.
In a country like India (and many more countries) were mariage is a the center of society, it's hard for them to live their lives. We are talking about countrie were homosexuality is a crime or still was not so long ago.

The intent here was to ease families into seeing the struggle their closed-ones could have living a life in which they had to hide a part of themeselves. Hence why it's first and foremost a family-drama.

I haven't seen the movie so I can't judge if people are being greedy about Kuhu or if she indeed they could have shown more of her.

Anyways, from what I saw on Twitter, it was a movie were some gay people went with their parents.
I also wonder from Raja Sen's review if the man who sat there crying has lost a child because of his intolerance and is now regretting it.



India is a country which can't tolerate daughters being born still, they are obsessed with fair skin, there's blatant racism but that doesn't mean they won't watch movies on these topics.

Forget India, when Fawad played a homosexual character in Kapoor & sons, he didn't receive much flak when he went back to Pakistan - there were no protests. That was a sub-plot!

In ELKDTAL, where it was the foundation of the plot, it needed more conviction. Again, I don't mean physical romance, I mean a reason for us to root for this cause.

Once you watch the film you'll see what I and many others mean. A lot of screen time was wasted on characters which didn't matter to the main plot.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Reemz*



India is a country which can't tolerate daughters being born still, they are obsessed with fair skin, there's blatant racism but that doesn't mean they won't watch movies on these topics.

Forget India, when Fawad played a homosexual character in Kapoor & sons, he didn't receive much flak when he went back to Pakistan - there were no protests. That was a sub-plot!

In ELKDTAL, where it was the foundation of the plot, it needed more conviction. Again, I don't mean physical romance, I mean a reason for us to root for this cause.

Once you watch the film you'll see what I and many others mean. A lot of screen time was wasted on characters which didn't matter to the main plot.


I beg to disagree. The fact that they are reluctant to have daughters is because the outrageous dowries girls family have to pay this and the marriage costs! They are seen as burdens. When these costs will be lifted from girls families then it will have an impact socially.
Mainsteam movies I saw which dealt with dowry flopped...

Show me dark -very dark- actress who is thought to be beautiful. All actresses are relatively fair skinned and the duskier girls are at least seen as sexy.
Beside white girls, no outsider can have a career in Bollywood.
I'm curious about the movie Bollywood movie that deals with racism. I've yet so one...

The foundation of the plot was about a homosexual girl whose family thins it's time she gets married. Said family is so open-minded that they are even ready to let her marry a Muslim BUT the plot thickens when she comes out and her family isn't THAT open minded after all.


That's why I beg to disagree with the previous snipet you posted. I don't think the intent is to point finger at people but to show that what people think to be usual stuff for some can be a struggle for others.
For instance, the guy find for Sweety is handsome and seems more than ok so had Sweety be heterosexual she might have gone ahead with it.
Or if she was in love with the Muslim Sahir, it wouldn't have been that big of an issue as her family would have accepted it. But Sweety is lesbian so all those stuff are a struggle especially since her family doesn't know about it.

I'm personnally impatient to see more about the brother as it seems he embodies homophobia.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Whatever the reasons for not wanting daughters, it's still disgusting right? Dowry, burden, not carting the name forward. We have had movies on these topics.

You hear about abortions and baby girls being dropped in the bin.

Like I said, you need to see the movie and maybe you'll understand why the critcism is what it is. We know what the movie set out to do, we know the target audience but somewhere in the screenplay it failed to capture the WOM audience. It's all fine speculating without watching the film but when you watch it, you might understand what I'm referring to. Nobody came out of the movie saying why did they make a movie about the girl being a lesbian', the general thought was why wasn't the lesbian angle given more meat'.

The homophobic brother, the father both were important. Very important! The neighbours, the hetero hero and his parents - not so important! All they had to do is make it more balanced so it didn't take so long to get to the point! You need to watch the movie for you to perhaps understand what I'm talking about.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I personally feel that family members should not work in reel showing real relationship it hardly works

This my POV and I can be super wrong

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