Why SRK movies don't connect?

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MoonOrchid

@MoonOrchid

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Posted: 6 years ago

I don't want a bashing thread, please . Just opinions.

I mean he is THE SRK and the stories are not ALWAYS that bad.

His FAN and Raees were quite good IMO.. but still failed to recoup. Yes I know there were the JHMS and Zero situations, too. But the other khans also do movies that aren't that 'great' yet still manage to hold afloat or even deliver super blockbusters.

Why is it that SRK cannot seem to get that connect with the audience/get audiences to see his movies?

IS there anything he can do.. I mean ok, he could pay a team of writers and have screenings for stories... but is it just script?

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Gagori Chatterjee

@jyoti06

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Posted: 6 years ago

I m not his fan but I did like Zero .. I think the major problem is today's younger crowd r nomore connecting with his romantic gestures or image that he try to portray on screen bec he did loose his looks of a romantic hero ..

Raees worked better than JHMS or Zero says a lot that mayb viewers will want him in more serious content driven movies and not romantic genre

Fan was very abstract and he should also stop doing abstract movies .. such movies dont hv much takers in India..

These views r coming from a non-fan ..

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MoonOrchid

@MoonOrchid

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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: jyoti06
I m not his fan but I did like Zero .. I think the major problem is today's younger crowd r nomore connecting with his romantic gestures or image that he try to portray on screen bec he did loose his looks of a romantic hero ..

Raees worked better than JHMS or Zero says a lot that mayb viewers will want him in more serious content driven movies and not romantic genre

Fan was very abstract and he should also stop doing abstract movies .. such movies dont hv much takers in India..

These views r coming from a non-fan ..

Thank you for the sincere reply.

@bold: I can understand this ..i.e: people wanting him in a serious content driven movie. What boggles the mind is : does SRK not realise it himself? Is he really surrounded by too many 'yes' people that 'filter' what is the reality from him?

I thought he was quite shrewd and with the oulse on the market ( this is not a diss, again, it's me wondering why he is not taking steps to ...'meet' the audience's wishes)

Re: abstract movies: SRK also has a huge International fanbase. From what I gather , his movies do very well abroad, so a lot of his content is NRI-oreinted, right? Does he do some type of sounding off..polls? To see what his fans abroad like/dislike?

I can't put together the shrewd businessman and the movie star that doesn't seem to get it (at least in India) right lately.

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Ahmed

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Posted: 6 years ago

Nice topic,

Can add lot to it but will just say FAN, Raees the expectations very sky high, which didnt meet not only because movie were not that good but because people were just thinking a masterpiece should be made. when the decline starts, its like a slope for an actor, to go on top he needs to crawl or have a firm feet.

But in SRK case, he is sliding deeper with his Experimental things and going by director reputation in some cases.

He should let his VFX get a marketing team and content team, let them do there own job.

i cant design my jalebi's in shoe/sandal design to let audience know that i am good in shoe making..

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altgr

@altgr

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Posted: 6 years ago

I think the expectations are very high from SRK movies. There is so much hype before the release and the the movies are not able to match that.

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Gagori Chatterjee

@jyoti06

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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: MoonOrchid

Thank you for the sincere reply.
@bold: I can understand this ..i.e: people wanting him in a serious content driven movie. What boggles the mind is : does SRK not realise it himself? Is he really surrounded by too many 'yes' people that 'filter' what is the reality from him?
I thought he was quite shrewd and with the oulse on the market ( this is not a diss, again, it's me wondering why he is not taking steps to ...'meet' the audience's wishes)
Re: abstract movies: SRK also has a huge International fanbase. From what I gather , his movies do very well abroad, so a lot of his content is NRI-oreinted, right? Does he do some type of sounding off..polls? To see what his fans abroad like/dislike?
I can't put together the shrewd businessman and the movie star that doesn't seem to get it (at least in India) right lately.

As much as I hate to say it but the problem is basically with all the Khans .. times r changing .. movie watching viewers r changing too ...The whole one Star selling a movie era is gone .. even a Ayushmaan and Vicky kaushal can give 150 crore plus movie today in much lesser no. of screens compare to a Khan bec they r choosing good scripts ..

Salman and Aamir r a little more smarter than SRK when it comes to choosing scripts bec they seem to know what or how exactly viewers want to see them in today's times .. Even then both failed this year .. whereas SRK despite tasting failure in last few yrs still dont want to get the simple point that public dont want to see him in abstract or romantic genre anymore .. Also the whole nostalgia factor of his fans to which every producer gives into SRK's every demand is backfiring on him and his producers now ..

NRI audience r changing too .. Zero dint work abroad too if i m not wrong ..

So lets accept .. its a new era .. Khans cannot sell the nostalgia factor anymore to his fans .. Salman or Aamir might still reach to a 100 cr or 150 cr by releasing movies in 4000 screens but how long ? Here vicky with uri is touching 150 mark without a big release .. even Ayushman with badhai ho touched 150 mark almost with limited release .. so content is clearly the king .. SRK has to accept that too and stop wasting money on vfx.. just go for a chak de india or a my name is khan kind of a movie and it will work better than a Zero ..But again I dunno what his priorities r .. if he just wants to waste money and promote his vfx company bec he has too much money to waste , then who r we to suggest him anything ..

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MoonOrchid

@MoonOrchid

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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: Too_Much
Nice topic,

Can add lot to it but will just say FAN, Raees the expectations very sky high, which didnt meet not only because movie were not that good but because people were just thinking a masterpiece should be made. when the decline starts, its like a slope for an actor, to go on top he needs to crawl or have a firm feet.

But in SRK case, he is sliding deeper with his Experimental things and going by director reputation in some cases.
He should let his VFX get a marketing team and content team, let them do there own job.

i cant design my jalebi's in shoe/sandal design to let audience know that i am good in shoe making..

Thank you.😊

And please do add. Whether we are all fans of same actors or not, it is interesting to see diverse POV s. I have always believed in sharing thoughts and opinions.. so, the more, the merrier.😊

@bold: so, in your opinion, the expectation are reaching such a point that his movies, unless masterpieces, leave a lot of fans ..uhmm.. deflated/unimpressed/critical?

(again, not a diss. For comparison: if a singer is Somewhat Good and then, all of a sudden sings very well..everyone is shocked and applauds them like they did something Exceptional... On other hand, a GOOD singer that always sings GOOD starts to be looked at as Okay/SameSame/MEH.. because peopel EXPECT that..Super/ Good singing. So unless the Good Singer does an Exceptional Song.. the audience won't be as impressed as they would with a Somewhat-Good singer doing a Good/Okayish song)

Also.. from a casual viewer POV: why don't the new gen/ new audiences connect so well? Is it about looks? Or the genre? Is there something about his style that doesn't 'click'?

I understand your point re: VFX. It seems to be a common frustration of many fans. Then again as you've mention ed, it is his money- at least he doesn't ruin others with his experiments.

RE:going by director reputation. I sincerely hope he's got a reality check after Zero and doesn't do that. And reads scripts or have a team - not of 'yes' people- tell him honestly which scripts they actually think would work for him.

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Ahmed

@Too_Much

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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: MoonOrchid

Thank you.😊
And please do add. Whether we are all fans of same actors or not, it is interesting to see diverse POV s. I have always believed in sharing thoughts and opinions.. so, the more, the merrier.😊
@bold: so, in your opinion, the expectation are reaching such a point that his movies, unless masterpieces, leave a lot of fans ..uhmm.. deflated/unimpressed/critical?
(again, not a diss. For comparison: if a singer is Somewhat Good and then, all of a sudden sings very well..everyone is shocked and applauds them like they did something Exceptional... On other hand, a GOOD singer that always sings GOOD starts to be looked at as Okay/SameSame/MEH.. because peopel EXPECT that..Super/ Good singing. So unless the Good Singer does an Exceptional Song.. the audience won't be as impressed as they would with a Somewhat-Good singer doing a Good/Okayish song)

Also.. from a casual viewer POV: why don't the new gen/ new audiences connect so well? Is it about looks? Or the genre? Is there something about his style that doesn't 'click'?
I understand your point re: VFX. It seems to be a common frustration of many fans. Then again as you've mention ed, it is his money- at least he doesn't ruin others with his experiments.
RE:going by director reputation. I sincerely hope he's got a reality check after Zero and doesn't do that. And reads scripts or have a team - not of 'yes' people- tell him honestly which scripts they actually think would work for him.

At this point, i would just suggest him to do small budget movies, no outdoor shoot, dont spend much, just stick to content, take a leap from web series, too good content.

and FOR GOD SAKE DONT OVER PROMOTE IT, DONT MAKE YOUR FAN BELIEVE IT AS THE BEST THING IN UNIVERSE.

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MoonOrchid

@MoonOrchid

Dazzler

Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: jyoti06

As much as I hate to say it but the problem is basically with all the Khans .. times r changing .. movie watching viewers r changing too ...The whole one Star selling a movie era is gone .. even a Ayushmaan and Vicky kaushal can give 150 crore plus movie today in much lesser no. of screens compare to a Khan bec they r choosing good scripts ..

Salman and Aamir r a little more smarter than SRK when it comes to choosing scripts bec they seem to know what or how exactly viewers want to see them in today's times .. Even then both failed this year .. whereas SRK despite tasting failure in last few yrs still dont want to get the simple point that public dont want to see him in abstract or romantic genre anymore .. Also the whole nostalgia factor of his fans to which every producer gives into SRK's every demand is backfiring on him and his producers now ..

NRI audience r changing too .. Zero dint work abroad too if i m not wrong ..

So lets accept .. its a new era .. Khans cannot sell the nostalgia factor anymore to his fans .. Salman or Aamir might still reach to a 100 cr or 150 cr by releasing movies in 4000 screens but how long ? Here vicky with uri is touching 150 mark without a big release .. even Ayushman with badhai ho touched 150 mark almost with limited release .. so content is clearly the king .. SRK has to accept that too and stop wasting money on vfx.. just go for a chak de india or a my name is khan kind of a movie and it will work better than a Zero ..But again I dunno what his priorities r .. if he just wants to waste money and promote his vfx company bec he has too much money to waste , then who r we to suggest him anything ..

Again, thank you/

@bold: But can't the khans choose good scripts? They do have a lot of people in their teams. If these teams are not working to get some good scripts.. they should fire them and get new...younger teams.

@red: And SRK 's team cannot discuss that? This is what I find odd. And if they aren't pointing things out,. SRK should fire them and choose a better team.

@green: Again, SRK is a big name but I am sure he'd do what they ask if it meant the movie would do good business. So on this I also blame the directors-simply state your vision and don't let any thing influence your directorial choices- that cannot think beyond a point in SRK 's case.

@purple: Not sure how it fared abroad overall but I am sure he did quite good numbers in UAE. If NRI audience changes, then SRK should be made aware, IMO.

@burgundy: agreed..content is truly important.Hopefully these points are being discussed by SRK with his team and he is on the lookout for something like MNIK or Chak De.

Edited by MoonOrchid - 6 years ago

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Hereiamtoo

@Hereiamtoo

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Posted: 6 years ago

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I think, it really is a good question that has to be answered by members of the domestic audience as it is the domestic one who gives this lable of success or failure.

As I don't belong to the domestic audience I can only read the comments with interest and do guesses coming from my own perception...and I'm more a person for facts.

Fact for me is that I still find his movies entertaining...and I like how he treats women in movies as they get meaningful roles and are even allowed to be stronger than him (I don't mean the screentime but the characters).

Just lately in Zero he let Katrina powerfully and confidently shine that she was almost unanimously praised for her performance. Aafia, too, had more power and strength than Bauua who had to learn it more and more during the movie. In CE, Deepika is the one who propels the action, in HNY Deepika is far more likable as character than Charlie, in JTHJ he gives up on Meera and it's Anushka's character who pushes him back to life and love. In Raees Mahira's character is his equal...

SRK is such a confident actor that he doesn't shy away to play imperfect, weak or dammaged - very human and real - charcters like in Zero, JHMS, Fan, Dilwale, HNY and CE. Maybe the domestic audience don't want (or can't) identify with those characters but would like to identify with SRK. So there would be almost constant frustration.

Edited by Hereiamtoo - 6 years ago