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Posted: 6 years ago
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Fan was too experimental for masses
Raees didn't have the massy feel-good appeal
The romance in JHMS was a bit too risque to connect with most audiences.
Zero - I haven't seen but it tried to do too much in a script and the result was some unnatural flow and some W*F towards the end
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I am a Salman fan...not dabanng, ready , race 3 type fan...
I will try to answer it..

Srk start: srk start was most unconventional for an actor who became superstar later...negative roles, supporting roles, experiments, tv: baazigar, anzaam , maya memsaab, fouzi, circus, king uncle, deewana, aashiyaana

Stardom: karan arjun, ddlj, dtph, khhh...action, romantic, he got used to it...as we do something again and again...we got used to it and it loses its sheen when used too much ..

Stardom intact: chak de, om shanti om , main hoon na...romance+patriotism+action... Variance , something new fresh, fresh pairing,new directors hungry to prove, sincerity towards career...

Now srk the star/actor takes backseat...kjo is in full form in kwk in buttering giving big intros to him.like he is unbeatable there is nothing he can do wrong...srk thinks he has achieved everything...which is true actually...pc happens who is kjo part 2...srk who had Gauri after running behind her...has pc who declares some pure/unconditional love for him... Ego booster forfa person who had run behind anybody...un the person who always had this metrosexual personality kind of beta suddenly wants to go alpha...
He takes up kbc and exposes himself first by making him vulnerable in coming comparison with ab sr...and then as a host and loses sheen...people start to realise he is not the brightest star...then 1 more flop show jhatka...
Srk gets into this pseudo intellectual type people kjo (who is shrwed himself but bad for closed ones), pc, anushka, deepika, arjun mehr
And starts believing in scripts like jthj, jhms, hny, zero, fan...
Nobody blames anushka...she has given three disasters more than any actress : bombay velvet, jab tak( it can be counted for yash and srk combo),jab harry...zero
Everybody is behind Ranbirand srk..
And Srk still believe female equal pay, female name coming first...lol..how does it help...who has contributed more that person name should be first...does srk put all female names first? Is there any anushka to take blame now for jthj, jhms, zero...? Equal pay n all ..lol
So u can imagine how deep he has got into pseudo equality and left pragmatism behind...it reflects on scripts too.. Gauri is also not substantial to keep it real...she has also gone away from reality...kids also give me very anil kapoor kids vibes( i love harsh sona despite their flaws)
Others khans have family..in Aamir case how much he tries to cover himself in media created feminism...at the core he knows what it takes for his film except for thugs ... Moreover kiran, reena, his son daughter look intelligent enough to keep him in check..
Salman how much people consider him dumb...but he is not atleast pseudo ...he has very alpha personality...who doesnt get carry away with anu / kjo types and airs to ruin Sultan type films ...he will work with katrina/kareena to deliver if he doesnt get anu/dp... Moreover i think he has father to guide...
As for superstars of such stature they need somebody to keep in check...
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Too_Much



At this point, i would just suggest him to do small budget movies, no outdoor shoot, dont spend much, just stick to content, take a leap from web series, too good content.

and FOR GOD SAKE DONT OVER PROMOTE IT, DONT MAKE YOUR FAN BELIEVE IT AS THE BEST THING IN UNIVERSE.


I think you speak more sense than his yes team people. SRK should listen to people that have followed his career graph and trust his old instincts.

Re: spending: he could take share of profits rather than inflate the budget with a huge sum, right? The other Khans and Akshay do so, AFAIK.
RE: web series- Yes he could look what series work...Also, I cannot see him doing series. Not for now. If he did something liek True Detective .. then yes.. Those roles were so well writen in Series 1.
I don't know about over promotion or what not (besides some newspaper links that can also be biased viwews) so I am going to abstain from commenting on that paragraph.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Stree

Take away DDLJ and KKHH from his career and he is left with nothing to celebrate in his entire career. All his movies flopped outside dharma and YRF. Whatever stardom hed had was all thanks to media due to his closeness with Congress and underworld influence in Bollywood.

Now with those two factors out of scene, he is back to where he originally belonged..I.e out of bollywood😆

In today's time even people like vicky and rajkumar rao have 100 cr movies under their belt in just few years of their career. Now this is the real connect whether media hypes them or not they are proving their worth where it matters.
Though y'all can still cry for shahrukh Khan's demise as a superstar as if its a recent thing .. the fact is he was done n dusted long back from a neutral perspective.😆😆

I'd disagree. Chak De , MNIK and many others are critically praised. I for one enjoyed them and many others like CE , Fan, Raees.
I am not versed in his connections /cloeseness with anyone so I am abstaining discussing that.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Hereiamtoo

I think, it really is a good question that has to be answered by members of the domestic audience as it is the domestic one who gives this lable of success or failure.
As I don't belong to the domestic audience I can only read the comments with interest and do guesses coming from my own perception...and I'm more a person for facts.
Fact for me is that I still find his movies entertaining...and I like how he treats women in movies as they get meaningful roles and are even allowed to be stronger than him (I don't mean the screentime but the characters).
Just lately in Zero he let Katrina powerfully and confidently shine that she was almost unanimously praised for her performance. Aafia, too, had more power and strength than Bauua who had to learn it more and more during the movie. In CE, Deepika is the one who propels the action, in HNY Deepika is far more likable as character than Charlie, in JTHJ he gives up on Meera and it's Anushka's character who pushes him back to life and love. In Raees Mahira's character is his equal...
SRK is such a confident actor that he doesn't shy away to play imperfect, weak or dammaged - very human and real - charcters like in Zero, JHMS, Fan, Dilwale, HNY and CE. Maybe the domestic audience don't want (or can't) identify with those characters but would like to identify with SRK. So there would be almost constant frustration.

Thank you. I also find many of his movies entertaining (cannot say same about JTHJ, JHMS, Dilwale..those were not on same 'SRK vein' IMO) and I agree his movies also have quite good female roles.
As another member of the international audience I can say that he is one of the most recognisable faces from India. All I am doing in here is asking questions- how this pottential is not utilised...where are the problems.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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SRK is getting older,. Does not now suit that much in romances with youngies just like in recent Harry meets sejal,... PPL now a days don't like much, running behind the trees or singing in alps and sooraj huaa madhyum,... kinda fake songs,.. ( they are good for fast-forward only, the minute they interrupt the story,.. ) . but rather movies touching the real lives - our daily normal-life,.. like raazi, manmarziyaan, andhadhun, badhayi ho, hindi medium, and many such movies of ayushyaman, Vicky, Raj, Varun, Irfan , Nawaz and such,.. people's mindset and mentality has also changed,... HNY and dilwale,.. kinda movie bahoot ho chuka,... FAN was a movie made per 80's people's mentality,... RAEES jaisi gunda-girdi bhi Gangster series of movies dekh kar pak chuke,...

New young comers actors, today,.. give more reality to our own's close life with family-like situations in low budget movies,... Hence SRK fails,... Salman will do the same soon,... after his Race 3,... When Ranveer like, are also taking away his roles in, Padmavat and SIMMBA now,..

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Edited by Himalaya10 - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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he need something like majar ram from main hoon na to suite his image fauji jawan :P
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Fan was too experimental for masses

Raees didn't have the massy feel-good appeal
The romance in JHMS was a bit too risque to connect with most audiences.
Zero - I haven't seen but it tried to do too much in a script and the result was some unnatural flow and some W*F towards the end


I have enjoyed FAN... seems a lot of people do.. but maybe not enough.. or not enough in India would be a more correct observation.

JHMS was a yawn fest for me. I don't know why. Nothing really got me interested enough in the story.


Raees was very good in first half , just the second half suffered a bit..but I was honestly surprised that it didn';t connect enough to make profits. Or maybe the budget was too big.

I have seen Zero. I enjoyed the first half and parts of second half - but there were many plotholes and ridiculous things in the script. After Kat sent him off, it's ture...it felt way ...ridiculous..the whole trip to US with his buddy to look for Anu's character. it's like it was another script. It felt disjointed , to me.

Still the question remains: Why is SRK's team not proactive enough in script choices? It's been a few years of such debacles, surely they must have realised all is not well..
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Want to add two points, not sure if they are relevant here.
He should control the budget of the film too. Khans started making high budget movies and selling to distributers for high prices , if movie flops it is giving huge loses for everyone. And it looks like movie is a big flop.

Another point over promotion which sets high expectations. SRK goes overboard in promotion and it backfires due to high expectations.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: weirdlynormal

I am a Salman fan...not dabanng, ready , race 3 type fan...

I will try to answer it..

Srk start: srk start was most unconventional for an actor who became superstar later...negative roles, supporting roles, experiments, tv: baazigar, anzaam , maya memsaab, fouzi, circus, king uncle, deewana, aashiyaana

Stardom: karan arjun, ddlj, dtph, khhh...action, romantic, he got used to it...as we do something again and again...we got used to it and it loses its sheen when used too much ..

Stardom intact: chak de, om shanti om , main hoon na...romance+patriotism+action... Variance , something new fresh, fresh pairing,new directors hungry to prove, sincerity towards career...

Now srk the star/actor takes backseat...kjo is in full form in kwk in buttering giving big intros to him.like he is unbeatable there is nothing he can do wrong...srk thinks he has achieved everything...which is true actually...pc happens who is kjo part 2...srk who had Gauri after running behind her...has pc who declares some pure/unconditional love for him... Ego booster forfa person who had run behind anybody...un the person who always had this metrosexual personality kind of beta suddenly wants to go alpha...
He takes up kbc and exposes himself first by making him vulnerable in coming comparison with ab sr...and then as a host and loses sheen...people start to realise he is not the brightest star...then 1 more flop show jhatka...
Srk gets into this pseudo intellectual type people kjo (who is shrwed himself but bad for closed ones), pc, anushka, deepika, arjun mehr
And starts believing in scripts like jthj, jhms, hny, zero, fan...
Nobody blames anushka...she has given three disasters more than any actress : bombay velvet, jab tak( it can be counted for yash and srk combo),jab harry...zero
Everybody is behind Ranbirand srk..
And Srk still believe female equal pay, female name coming first...lol..how does it help...who has contributed more that person name should be first...does srk put all female names first? Is there any anushka to take blame now for jthj, jhms, zero...? Equal pay n all ..lol
So u can imagine how deep he has got into pseudo equality and left pragmatism behind...it reflects on scripts too.. Gauri is also not substantial to keep it real...she has also gone away from reality...kids also give me very anil kapoor kids vibes( i love harsh sona despite their flaws)
Others khans have family..in Aamir case how much he tries to cover himself in media created feminism...at the core he knows what it takes for his film except for thugs ... Moreover kiran, reena, his son daughter look intelligent enough to keep him in check..
Salman how much people consider him dumb...but he is not atleast pseudo ...he has very alpha personality...who doesnt get carry away with anu / kjo types and airs to ruin Sultan type films ...he will work with katrina/kareena to deliver if he doesnt get anu/dp... Moreover i think he has father to guide...
As for superstars of such stature they need somebody to keep in check...

Thank you for the detailed reply.
So would you say personal and professional life got muddled.. he lost his ..interest in creating characters that create impact ...and became a bit complacent in doing romantic roles?
And then, when he tried other formulas, those script chosen did not suit his style.. not as much as it should have?
IS KBC the Who Wants to be a Millionaire show? If yes, then I see your point- I did watch Amitabh's shows whenever I found links..

Looking at the bolded parts you notice SRK's VARIETY in roles ( and I'd agree with that).. Would you say that, at the time, not only he had good scripts but also was devoting much more time to the ''artist' than to the 'businessman'?
And that, nowadays, although he'd like the 'artist' to remain at the top tier, he has spent too much time on the business side..and has lost the connection with the viewing audience through the latest script choices/roles?
Re: keep in check. I'd agree.. they need people to tell them things as they are, black and white, or they fall into the trap of believing their own hype. And public doesn't like that ( I think?)
You are a very astute observer. (I have to rush but will re-read your post, it is full of great information, thank you again).
Edited by MoonOrchid - 6 years ago

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