Ranbir and Ranveer - Far From Superstardom

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TheRager

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Posted: 7 years ago

#11

No one gives anyone a free pass. You have to overtake the toppers of the game at that point in time to be considered at the top. Ranveer is all full of bullshit. He has always held someone's coattails for his successful films while building a fake image outside of films.

Ranbir atleast has had two big remarkable hits of their time-YJHD and Sanju. In 2013 YJHD was close to the then top grosser 3I. And now Sanju will be the top grosser. Ranbir's problem though is consistency and I agree it will be tough to repeat it. But you never know...with Ranbir now as KJo's son in law he might start being consistent too. KJo knows whom to pay what if we go by his record with Alia.

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IAmLuvBolly

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Posted: 7 years ago

#12

People confusing Ranbir and Ranveer is hilarious to me. I dont think they look or sound anything alike. But I've heard of people confusing Deepika and Anushka. In my personal life, not on the net 😆

On topic, I agree. Everyone from the so called gen X needs another 10-15 years to solidify their spot. Khans have put in about 30 years each. The arguement that the superstardom era will end with them also has merit. Hindi cinema is changing, and it's becoming unpredictable in a good way. Different actors are trying different things and seeing different results. Movies are not as formula based anymore.

That being said, at the rate Sunju is going Ranbir is in a good place now. Not for superstardom, just in general he's in a good place now. But he shouldn't get too comfortable. Suddenly the pressure is even more on Brahmstra and Shamshera to do well. Because if those two movies flop, people will easily take away the Sunju credit from him. Nature of the beast.

Same rules apply to Ranveer. But he has less pressure for his next movies because his hits and flops were more spread out. He didn't have a slew of hits and then sudden drop and a slew of flops or disasters. IMO he's got more room to make mistakes.

Edited by IAmLuvBolly - 7 years ago

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Sultan

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Posted: 7 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: TheRager
No one gives anyone a free pass. You have to overtake the toppers of the game at that point in time to be considered at the top. Ranveer is all full of bullshit. He has always held someone's coattails for his successful films while building a fake image outside of films.
Ranbir atleast has had two big remarkable hits of their time-YJHD and Sanju. In 2013 YJHD was close to the then top grosser 3I. And now Sanju will be the top grosser. Ranbir's problem though is consistency and I agree it will be tough to repeat it. But you never know...with Ranbir now as KJo's son in law he might start being consistent too. KJo knows whom to pay what if we go by his record with Alia.

KJO son in law W*F rager 🤣

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Tasbah

@Tasbah

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Posted: 7 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: IAmLuvBolly
People confusing Ranbir and Ranveer is hilarious to me. I dont think they look or sound anything alike. But I've heard of people confusing Deepika and Anushka. In my personal life, not on the net 😆

On topic, I agree. Everyone from the so called gen X needs another 10-15 years to solidify their spot. Khans have put in about 30 years each. The arguement that the superstardom era will end with them also has merit. Hindi cinema is changing, and it's becoming unpredictable in a good way. Different actors are trying different things and seeing different results. Movies are not as formula based anymore.

That being said, at the rate Sunju is going Ranbir is in a good place now. Not for superstardom, just in general he's in a good place now. But he shouldn't get too comfortable. Suddenly the pressure is even more on Brahmstra and Shamshera to do well. Because if those two movies flop, people will easily take away the Sunju credit from him. Nature of the beast.

Same rules apply to Ranveer. But he has less pressure for his next movies because his hits and flops were more spread out. He didn't have a slew of hits and then sudden drop and a slew of flops or disasters. IMO he's got more room to make mistakes.

Alia said that after Half Girlfriend's opening day she was out in public and somebody congratulated her on the movie doing well and she and Shraddha also don't look alike 😆

And I agree about about them needing another decade or more to get to that level of popularity. An interesting thing Amitabh had said in 2013 was how in the 70-80s he'd go into a restaurant and immediately get recognised but now nobody notices him. So the superstar era can also end for the actor. We know the Khans had their flop movies but they were consistently working so they never gave people the chance to forget them.

Also now with globalisation people's interests are a lot more varied. I follow a few Ranveer and Deepika fans on twitter but they also tweet about Game Of Thrones, Beyonce, Taylor Swift, American TV shows etc. I think that also might make it harder to achieve the same hype of the past BW stars.

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Tasbah

@Tasbah

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Posted: 7 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: Hoity-Toitty

You come across either confused or biased on your posts whatever it maybe the newer stars are doing a lot better than the older ones both in acting and making moolah. Plus they are clean and controversy free unlike the older ones. It cant fet any better than that and if you still expect more from them that than it only proves there's only way upwards from here on. Bollywood is all set for a few decades. Nothing to worry.

You need to point out exactly what statements I'm making which makes you think I'm confused.

Do you know what the older actors earn? Find out and compare that to the younger stars before you say they're making more moolah.

Do you see how Salman still has a solid fanbase despite his controversies?. It has not affected him.

And have you heard about how people are concerned that BW in in trouble with studios closing down etc? I watched this interview with Karan, Alia and RK last year where they addressed this. I wouldn't be making comments about how there's nothing to worry about so confidently.

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955555

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Posted: 7 years ago

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I think the pressure on their forthcoming projects just multiplied then times after these 300 Cr grossers coz now if & when they go back to their not so old phase of delivering 20-30 Cr LT grossers ppl will discredit them like anything for their biggies, line up wise I believe RS' projects (barring Gully boy) are much more appealing & safer than RK's

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cougarTown

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Posted: 7 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: Tasbah

You need to point out exactly what statements I'm making which makes you think I'm confused.

Do you know what the older actors earn? Find out and compare that to the younger stars before you say they're making more moolah.

Do you see how Salman still has a solid fanbase despite his controversies?. It has not affected him.

And have you heard about how people are concerned that BW in in trouble with studios closing down etc? I watched this interview with Karan, Alia and RK last year where they addressed this. I wouldn't be making comments about how there's nothing to worry about so confidently.

i am sure all studios are back in form now..

2018 is one of the BEST years in terms of business for BW

almost every movie baring a few have been hit

also like older times we have movies like padmavat, raazi, SKTKS, etc running for almost 50 days and sanju will follow

ONE OF THE BEST YEARS

lets not diss the present for the sake of it

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1140816

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Posted: 7 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: cougarTown
when did hrithik ever sustain?
the guy was on a flop spree post his debut till his dad produced kmg for him..even with that he never had consistency..there will always be flops and disasters in between..

but if we can call him one..ranbir surely qualifies to be called one too..if consistency is the key..then that also makes HR no superstar..since he was never consistent..neither aish

After KNPH, Hrithik gave record openings always. Even won clash against SRK in the same year for a Non commercial film like Mission Kashmir. 2001 came K3G and the credit for the record opening goes as much to him as Big B and SRK. 2002 was his worst year.

Hrithik after 2002:

KMG (BB)

Lakshya(Flop)

Krrish(BB)

Dhoom 2(BB)

Jodha Akbar(Super Hit)

Kites(Flop)

Guzaarish (Flop)

ZNMD(Super Hit)

Agneepath(BB)

Krrish 3(ATBB)

Bang Bang(Super Hit)

Mohenjodaro(Disaster)

Kaabil(Hit)

He has been consistent. Every commercial action film of his including Bang Bang created record openings even matching or beating the Khans.

Yes, he is not taking easy route like Salman and wants to grow as an Actor. Hence, he did films like Lakshya,Jodha Akbar, Guzaarish, ZNMD, Kaabil = all of them critically acclaimed and his best work.

He has been on Top despite least films and that is bcoz he has delivered almost every time. Even his flops hv been critically acclaimed (except Mohenjodaro). But, just like SRK, he could not create records like Aamir and Salman this decade as they ended up giving far bigger hits.

His success ratio is actually better than others. But, he gets maximum negative press due to Bhai Office India as he is the Only Non Khan who until now was giving sleepless nights to Khans. Ajay/Akshay cud never do so even in their golden phase.

But, other than Aamir, SRK or Salman have had more Disasters and Flops than him. Especially SRK who has given Disasters even in Commercial films and Solo releases. So, nobody deserves to be called Superstars by same logic.

Edited by BlackPanther7 - 7 years ago

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Justmoi

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Posted: 7 years ago

#19

Superstardom to me does not depend on a script. People show up just because of the star, not the script. It does not exist in HW any more. For a while it did when Will Smith dominated the July 4th release and Tom Cruise did for a while. Now we have franchises dominate. People go for the characters.

In India, even though Raazi, Padmavat and now Sanju are massive hits, it is clear people went more for the script than the actors. WOM played a huge part in it. I would argue in case of Sanju, Sanjay Dutt and Hirani's "stardom" played more of a part than Ranbir's.

The age of the superstar is over IMO or getting over. As Race3 and JHMS demonstrated you cannot just stock a film with whoever you want or have no semblance of a script and expect the paying public to show up. Too many times superstars are returning money to distributors and others. Even Rajnikanth is not immune.

Movie watching is changing. In the age of Netflix and Amazon when you have access to the best around the world why should you go to the movies ? The movies that have all made money have one thing in common. Script and performance. That is the future. I don't think we will ever see Ranbir or Ranveer or Varun or anyone as superstars the way the Khans were. The age of the superstar is dead or dying.

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Tasbah

@Tasbah

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Posted: 7 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: cougarTown

i am sure all studios are back in form now..

2018 is one of the BEST years in terms of business for BW

almost every movie baring a few have been hit

also like older times we have movies like padmavat, raazi, SKTKS, etc running for almost 50 days and sanju will follow

ONE OF THE BEST YEARS

lets not diss the present for the sake of it

The interview I mentioned was conducted only about 8 months ago so it was not that long ago that people were worried about the situation. I'm really glad that things are better now since I want my faves to have long successful careers. It's why I don't understand why everyone is fighting now that Sanju has done well. One actor can't carry the entire industry so we should want all of them to do well. And if you don't like an actor just don't watch a movie. Nobody's forcing you 😆