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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Eggon_Snow


That is immaterial since it is not about what I think but the games BOI is playing.IMO everyone played a part including Karni and Akki in its success.

My post was in respect to what BOI has been implying. BOI since afternoon has been on a Shahid propping spree. My response was to that last para of theirs. They have declared Shahid as the rightful hero and are saying that Deepveer are playing PR games.

They even said so in an article on who should get credit for the film's success.



exactly, when the whole media n trade people are talking bt the movie doing well. These people have an article on whom should get credit. And their answer, the knight in distress who was saved by the damsel in shining armor 😆
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: anjs



exactly, when the whole media n trade people are talking bt the movie doing well. These people have an article on whom should get credit. And their answer, the knight in distress who was saved by the damsel in shining armor 😆


Arre their PR games are so obvious that even other trade persons are calling them out for being KriArj ka PR. Since Shahid is doing KRiarj's next Batti Gul, they are indulging in such blatant biased articles.

See this tweet after that creditwala article from this afternoon

. @girishjohar with all due respect sir, you are RUINING the credibility that @Box_Off_India had earned over the years in an attempt to give free promotions and create perceptions for the films produced by #Kriaj. Even in the latest article, your agenda is visible
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Posted: 7 years ago
Can't get Ranveer's performance out of my head...I need to see this film again!
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Posted: 7 years ago
Regardless of who walked away with the praises or who didn't the Hero and the main stake of the film is Deepika...After SLB its Deepika who should get most credit for this movie...Its brand SLB and brand Deepika which sold the movie!
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Posted: 7 years ago

And look what I've come home to !!!

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: charminggenie


I am sorry but the "hero" of the film is Deepika and not Shahid. Khilji is the villain and Padmavati the hero. She is the one who really defeated Khilji. Also take into account that the movie is named after her, marketed on her name, she is the one who faced the wrath of the Karni Sena and the one who got threatened. She is also the one who would have been impacted the most and been blamed if the movie had flopped, its only fair if she get a huge portion of the credit.


Oh Frosty, I didn't even like the movie but I feel like defending DP here. She was the "face" of the movie. When was the last time a big-budget movie with 2 other heroes was sold like that. Her song was the only thing playing and she was out there bursting her ass selling the movie with having goons place a bounty on her head. Jeez. It is a Queen's victory indeed.

Gotta give it to SLB too, he has become a brand now.

I know right. When the movie was first promoted both these men sulked liked kids. When SLB and DP were threatened instead of coming out and defending your movies they kept shut. They did not even bother to defend their film forget the director or co-star/ girlfriend. You let the director and the actress bear the brunt and now that the movie has succeeded you want to spare no effort telling the world that you were the reason that the movie worked or you were the "hero" of the movie. PSSH the true heroes of Padmavat are SLB and Deepika Padukone. This is coming from someone who did not like the movie
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: flipfl0p

Watched Padmavati two days ago.

First thing. I watched PV because, I like movies with historical backdrop. I did not view this movie because of the controversy. So please don't credit KarniSena for my ticket.

When it comes to Bhansali's movies (whether we love them or or hate them), one thing is certain. We can't say, we will watch it later, when it comes to Netflix. The grandeur can only be experienced at theatre.
Ashutosh Gowarikar also spends lot of budget. But his budget goes in addressing meticulous details for authentic look. Bhansali's budget goes in creating dramatic effect with diyas etc. Ordinary junta probably will not bother about authencity. So, for us, Bhansali's film look richer than AG's movies.

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Actors:

Ranveer: I have to applaud him for his script sense. He was actually offered the lead role. But he saw the potential in the villain role. Two years back, I thought he made a mistake. Khilji was not even an anti hero. He was an out and out villain. Whether it was his gut feeling or Deepika's suggestion (who chose Veronica against Meera in Cocktail), I wonder. But he won the gamble.

(Spoiler)----
His expressions are defenitely not over the top. One example. When he kills his nephew. All we see is his stone face and his nephew kicking the bed helplessly. At the end, we see Ranveer's cold blooded look.
It reminded me Ajay Devgan in Company (when he kills his own men for breaching) and Amir Khan in Earth (when he finds about Nandita Das after tricking the child).
It is not the hamming which usually Sharukh or Hritik do. His chin remains stable. His breathing does not get louder. Only his eyes. It is spine chilling. (I am not mocking at SRK or Hritik. At that time, their acting looked best. With time, our perception starts changing).
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Deepika Padukone : First on Ghoomar. Stunning visual setting and her captivating screen presence. There is something about her dances in SLB's films. Obviously many kids will perform them on their annual school day. Tomorrow, she will become part of their nostalgia as Madhuri and Sridevi were once. One might find my comparison strange as ranges/reaches of these songs are entirely different. Madhuri/Sri's popular dances were item numbers. Deepika's popular dances are more into classical. Also Deepika is definitely not as good dancer as Madhuri or Sri. But fact remains, her dances connect to the crowd in the same way. May be the settings, may be her beauty.
Whatever it is, she adds another dance number along with Diwani Mastani, Nagada, which (one should admit) is responsible for initial days (not just first, I went on the third day) collection.

Her acting as princess and queen. Once or twice I felt, the teary eyed expression was not needed. Except that, her acting is brilliant. I feel like laughing at the people who say, she had not many dialogues (means there was no acting required). Movie Pushpak had no dialogue. Does that mean, Kamal Hassan did not act?
Her role demanded every kind of expression. Vivacious princess, determined queen, passionate wife and a gloomy woman expecting the arrival of the darkest hour. She played every emotions perfect. Usually her dialogue delivery lets her down. Here somehow, they were not very distracting for me. (May be Malik Kafur's was so distracting that I did not notice Deepika's).

Shahid : Unfortunately, I don't have many good things to say. Whether the script let him down or he let the script down will be million dollar question. May be both.
The fact that Khilji's character attracted Ranveer more than Ratan during script reading implies Ratan's character was weak to begin with. Probably after Ranveer choosing to Khilji's role, SLB made Ratan's role even weaker. We ended up seeing a Yudhistir, who preaches about ethics all the time, while Bhim and Arjun (here Gora and Badal) are left to fight.
First is his physique. When he is looking at enemy's army from the fort along with other soldiers. He just does not look royal with his tiny frame. Second, the dress designers. Who designed those pink feminine salwars for him? Fire them. I could not enjoy his chemistry with Deepika too. Deepika looks better with matured faces (SRK or Irfan never looked odd with Deepika). Shahid can still do SOTY 2 and look younger than Tiger. I felt, their pair was a mismatch.
Basically, it was a poorly written character. On the top, Shahid did not fit the role.

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Music:

I am sorry. But Bhansali needs to realise his limitation as a music director. Ghoomar song is ofcourse based on Rajasthani folk tune. But Bhansali tweaks it to sound it more classical. A song does not need to based on classical music, to be a classic. Songs composed by IlayaRaja, Lakshmikant Pyarelal were based on folk music and had earthy feeling to them.
No doubt, Bhansali designs classical tunes, which most of the current lot cannot do. But the point should be on the relevance. Beauty lies with simplicity. That holds true for music too.
Once S. D. Barman had said, "My songs should be that simple that even my car driver should be able to sing". It is not that, he did not know how to compose classical songs. But he did them, only if they were necessary. Shiv Hari is a great classical musician. But whenever he composed music for Yash Chopra, the songs (even though they were based on raags) were pretty simple.
Unlike them, Bhansali creates songs (which in fact reminds me of old classical Bollywood songs) that cannot be hummed by most.
To me, the best tunes in the movie were the background music in the beginning of the movie (when titles were shown). It sounded typical Rajasthani. (I wish, there was a song with that music). Other one is the background music during Jauhar. That is so gloomy and haunting. Rest, I would call it average (Ghoomer and Bin Te Dil, both gave me "heard somewhere" feel).

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Script Writing

Padmavati is a story we have heard from childhood. When it comes on screen, it is natural tendency to watch it on screen. A serial based on Mahabharata will get high TRP, no matter how badly it is made. Bhansali should be applauded for coming out with this idea. But one trouble. Plot is wafer thin. One needs creativity to stretch this. Also limitations of not hurting people's sentiments. It is a gamble. Bhansali is not perfect. But he has won this gamble, that is what matters.

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There were no proper build up story for Padmavati and Ratan (Bhansali should take lessons from Ekta/Gul). . It was BaijiRao - Mastani Part II; Instant love. Instead, they could have been shown as being married in the beginning of the movie itself. It would have made no difference to the movie. But Raghav Chetan's rivalry needed more build up. The reason to banish him looked trivial and his bitterness/revenge feeling also seemed suddenly enforced. If Bhansali wanted to take creative liberty, he should have taken it here.

Character sketching of Ratan Singh.

Vasool is fine. But where is the bravery part? As I said earlier, he was as boring as Mahabharat's Yudhistir. My patience was tested all the time high, when Padmavati succeeded in releasing him. First of all, this fellow came against their wishes and got arrested. Now they have used all their tricks to release him. Here he goes and says, "I have to meet Khilji before leaving". Have some common sense man.

When Gora and Badal were fighting bravely and getting killed, the thought came to me. Did I see this Ratan dude lifting his sword any time? There you go. I was granted my wish. In palace, he lifted the sword with all spirit. We saw the splash of red in pond. Whose blood? A sacrificial lamb. Blah..
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Problem was not just with Shahid (Of course, he does not have the physique). But it was the poor script writing which also lead the Ratan's character down.

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Grandeur :

This is something, all SLB's viewers will go to his movies. (Watched 2D movie. So I cannot comment on 3D effect). Of course, he does not disappoint. The scenes especially when Ratan brings Padmavati to his palace till Ghoomer are so grand and aesthetically appealing.

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But I cannot say the same on war scenes. In BM, first half of war scene was really good. Whether SLB got chickened after Bahubali, I don't know. But there are no memorable fighting scenes in PV. It was a waste, showing such huge army (which would have costed a lot), doing nothing. (Is the budget really that big, when there are no proper war scenes?).

In the beginning, we see the armies marching towards each other. Then we see the dust. When the dust settles, we see Khilji carrying enemy's head. What happened before is left for our imagination.

Fighting at the climax. Again a huge army. But all we see is, two rulers fighting with the sword in front of their army. Even that fight is not nail biting. (Bhansali could have hired a Chinese or Korean action directors. They choreograph sword fighting really well). Here, Ratan's and Khilji's fight was as entertaining as murgi fight.
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My review ends here. My rating is 3 1/2.

Will I recommend to watch this movie? Defenitely yes. Why? Ghoomar, grandeour and Ranveer's and Deepika's act. A very thin story, compensated by stunning setting and great acting. Even supporting cast have a role and they have played them very well.
What could have made it better? A solid backing up story for Ratan and a star performer like Hritik. (A story will be balanced, only when both protogonist and antagonist are strong and equal. All Rajni's superhit movies usually have very strong antagonist and the lead beating them at the end). Here the movie was tilted towards antagonist.


@Bold: Exactly what I have said just now...Its a misconception that to make one character look superior the director has to make the other characters weak and powerless...Truth is, strong and well written characters flourish together and make the whole product that much more superior...

Shahid did the best he could with the poor role that he got but I too couldn't help but wonder if Hrithik would've made Ratan more bearable!

Oh btw enjoyed reading the review as it mirrors my views about the movie, only you expressed it so well ! :)
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Posted: 7 years ago

This is so nice. Happy for Ranveer. He is the heartthrob of the country right now.
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: LegolasGondolin


Khilji :

Allah ki banayi hui har nayaab cheez par Alauddin ka haq hai

Ab tak woh mitti hi nahin bani jo allaudin ko dafan kar de

hum chahte hain ki itihaas humein aur sirf humein yaad rakhein

Manzoor hain har woh katra jo allaudin ko padmavati ke kareeb le aaye

ghayal dil ke alava humare aur koi ghaav to nahin dikh rahe?

Jab khane me itna sab kuch hai, toh hamein khauff khane ki kya zarurat?

During chess, ab apka Raja bhi khatre mein hai

Hum khiljiyone saath milkar Ek.khwab dekha the, ki hamara parcham pure jahan par leherayega

Mehrunissa binte Jalaluddin Khilji, Kya tumhe ye nikaah qubool hai❤️

Padmavati :

Rajputi kangan mein utni hi taakat hain jitni rajputi talwar mein

Darr naam ka gehna padmavati ne kabhi pehna hi nahin

yahaan ka patta patta hamara hamara naam janta hai, pooch lena

Asuron ko vinash karne ke liye devi ko bhi gad se utharna pada tha. Chittor ke aangan mein ek aur ladai hogi jo na kisi ne dekhi hogi na suni hogi


Rawal :

itihas apne panne palat sakta hein lekin rajput apne usool nahin

keh dijiye apne sultan se unki talwar se zyada loha hum suryavanshi mewadiyoon ki seene mein hain.

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Posted: 7 years ago
I know my opinion is the most unpopular one, but I have to say that I didn't like Jim's acting at all...He looked creepy and his dialogue delivery sucked, so much that I cringed every time he opened his mouth...The way he was made to look at Khilji, didn't have to be creepy like that...If the director meant to show that it was all love, sorry to say, but it didn't come out like that at all...🤔

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