Shivagami or Devasena - Page 6

Originally posted by: Kareenafanatic

As much as I like Bahubali, and think both characters--Amarendra and Devasena--are epic characters, Devasena isn't a properly written character. As Pony stated, both Shivagami and Devasena were strong, feisty, and simply good in one of the movies (Devasena in the Conc. and Shivagami in the Beginning). The same applies to Shivagami.

In the first part, Shivagami is fierce, just, loyal, independent, compassionate, and fair. She is the upholder of justice, yet, at the same time, she also has a soft heart. But that doesn't stop her from being stern and pushy when push comes to shove. She's shown to be an excellent strategist and mentor. After all, under her supervision, both her sons grew up to become peerless warriors.

In the second part, however, all of that goes out of the window. She is portrayed as narrow-minded, gullible, irrational, and fixated women who is a shell of her former self. How did she go from being a strategist to a weak woman easily manipulated by Bijjal Deva and Bhallala? In fact, in the first movie, Shivagami's faith in Bahubali is unwavering. She loves and trusts Bahu more than she does anyone. She wants Bahu to become the Kind--not because of love, but because she is also aware that Bahu would be a just and equal ruler as opposed to Bhallala, who is more of a warrior type than the strategist Bahu is.

How did she become the antithesis of what she was in Bahubali 1? This is poor writing. Shivagami's character goes from becoming a fierce ruler and mother to a stupid person without any justification at all. If we study Shivagami in the first part, there is no way that person could sanction the assassination of Bahubali. Even if she felt wronged by Bahubali, as an astute politician, Shivagami would have enough sense to talk to Bahubali in private before coming to her conclusions. Also, how would the supreme leader of Mahishmati take such an amateur, prejudiced, and petty decision? Bahubali's death would be a huge blow to the kingdom. If it weren't for the joint prowess of Bahubali and Bhallaladeva, the Kalkeyas would have destroyed Mahishmati. How come such a thought didn't sprout in the mind of the supremely intelligement and tactical Shivagami devi?

Bahubali 2 was great to watch because of Amarendra and Devasena, but it was a movie riddled with inconsistencies. I don't even want to get into Shivudu transforming into Amarendra Bahubali mkII without any training, tutelage, or mentorship. Hilarious.

Now, let me come to Devasena. Up until the Karan Arjun twist, as CP stated, she was phenomenal. Her cringeworthy behavior at her godhbharai notwithstanding; Devasena was almost as fiesty and fiery as Shivagami. That's also where the similarities end. Shivagami was calculative and a strategist. Devasena was rash and had a tendency to divest her energies. Her strengths were armed combat and leadership on the battleground. As a leader, she was unfit just as Bhallaladeva was, but for other reasons.

Now, tell me, how come such a fiesty, a woman with a never-say-die attitude, and a true warrior end up becoming Durga Singh (Rakhee) from Karan Arjun? If anything, Devasena's earlier traits tell us that she is someone who'd form a rebellious group and wage a cold war against the Kingdom of Mahishmati. So, in all likelihood, it would be Devasena in collaboration with her brother, plotting against Bhallaladeva and searching for her son, Shivudu.

Finally, I'll just add to what CP said. Shivudu becoming King of Mahishmati was all good with a happy ending, but the guy has no personality trait, or character apart from being Amarendra's son. He wasn't a trained warrior, so it's hilarious to see him defeat a trainer warrior--someone equal to his father--as Bhallaladeva. Secondly, how would a simpleton, all of a sudden, be capable of ruling a complex kingdom like Mahishmati? It just doesn't make sense.

That is why Devasena's character should have taken another path, or even better--I'd have had Shivagami survive Bhallala's attack and help nurture, grow, and groom Mahendra, as she did with Amarendra, in a faraway land before it was right for Mahendra to return to Mahishmati. That would have been epic shit.

Just two decisions--sparing Shivagami's life until Mahendra grew up and uniting Devasena with her brother as part of the insurgent group would have added so much credibility to the entire series. Alas.

Originally posted by: BeingUrEx

Shivgami. If devsena had shown some maturity things should've gone in a different route... She was right but the way she expressed it wasn't right

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..

I don't think so.

The movies would not have worked without any of these characters - Amarendra, Bhallaladeva, Sivagami, Devasena and Katappa. These five characters made the movies what they are, and they each contributed significantly to it. Sivagami as the shrewd Rajmata sent into motions the events that happened. Bhalla was like the slow poison that gradually injected insecurity and jealousy into the otherwise just mother. Amarendra was a hero in every sense and exemplified what an ideal King, husband and son should look like. Devasena was his soulmate in every way. She stood up for justice and did not back down when injustice was being done, not only to her but to others as well. She was a queen in every sense, and Katappa as the blindly loyal servant was the medium through which the events were carried out. The movies would not have worked at all without either one of them. Even Bijjaladeva in the sidelines made a huge impact, particularly in the raising of Bhalla.

Btw, Devasena may not have appeared in many scenes in the first movie, but the entire movie surrounded her. It revolved around her imprisonment, why she was imprisoned, the story behind her imprisonment, and her eventual release from imprisonment. So even when she wasn't in the film in every scene, she was extremely integral to the storyline.

Originally posted by: Tani91

^ I agree with both of you Kareenafanatic and Janaki, writing wise if they had gone the route of Devasena escaping and joining her brother it would've been better storytelling but ALAS it is a man's world after all and they had to insert Shivudu having a purpose as well so the female characters development had to suffer.

I don't understand how people are blaming Devasena for the atrocities that the kingdom suffered it was Bhallaldev who lusted after her, he tortured her and kept her captive for all those years- how is it HER fault that the jackass was obsessed with her? 😕And why should she have fought for Mahishmati? Shivagami and the other royals are all shocked that she dared to go against her by marrying Baahubali, she was shunned from the kingdom for standing up for justice for the women, she was taunted and her husband was insulted at her own baby shower, why the hell should she have fought for such a kingdom? 😡She was even brought as a "prisoner" on Shivagami's orders, Devasena owed nothing to the kingdom yet her love for Baahubali kept her there and help the village folk. She chose to sacrifice herself for her infant son, she could've easily been killed by Bhallaldev, I mean the arrogant fool didn't even hesitate in killing his mother and sending goons after her. Devasena could've easily been killed as well, her sacrifice for Mahendra is just as valid as Shivagami's for him. Being the psycho that he was Bhallal would've easily forced her to marry him as well, it's all Bhallal's fault that the whole kingdom went crazy not Devasena.

I would've loved to see Bhallal's side a bit more as well explaining of why he kept her alive, he clearly lusted after her, but why keep her alive if she clearly didn't give two hoots about him.

Originally posted by: hum2humare22

Hi, a query I have 😕

How much time does it take for you to write so much?

Originally posted by: hasini009

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