Shivagami or Devasena - Page 5

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..

Sivagami was certainly an enigmatic woman, and Ramya Krishnan played her to perfection. However, I did mourn the loss of her wit and intelligence that she had in abundance in the first movie. As someone mentioned, the writing of her manipulation and turning negative in such short time wasn't convincing. It could've been done better. In fact, I'd have preferred Bhalla and Bijjala to have had more of a role in Amarendra's death than Sivagami and Katappa, as to me it didn't make sense. It didn't convince me that two people who loved him so deeply could kill him so simply, as if he meant nothing to them. Sivagami's sudden change of heart and the way she ordered Katappa "you must kill Bahubali" didn't convince me at all.

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Upon a second viewing of the movie I realized this, the first time I was just in awe of Devasena and Amarendra but I saw it a second time I found it so unbelievable that the same Shivagami who treated both of the princes the same way would so readily believe that Baahu HER son baahu could even think of killing Bhalla, it made NO sense at all. It would've been more logical if she were playing Bhallal and made a plan with Kattappa and Baahu and Baahu himself told Kattappa to kill him

@ RamKiJanaki

I'm finding myself agreeing with you. Despite that, there are some flaws in what you're proposing about Devasena after the birth of Mahendra.

Remember Devasena is a fiery, righteous woman who wanted Amarendra Bahubali to be the King of Mahishmati. She, after all, was a princess and a political figure. It wouldn't be consistent for Devasena to settle down elsewhere when her husband was assassinated unceremoniously. Kattappa is tied by his oath to Mahishmati's throne. He would never abandon the kingdom, no matter what happened.

And, Devasena may not have cared about Mahishmati, but she cared deeply about Amarendra and later, her son. For someone as temparamental and impulsive as Devasena, the assasination of her husband and the subsequent denouncing of her son would have been enough for her to wage a cold war against Mahishmati. She's not the kind to sit there accepting all the injustice.

By the way, I think there is a misunderstanding here.

I'm not talking about Devasena escaping with her son. The sequence of Shivagami fleeing with Mahendra would remain the same. In all of that chaos, Shivagami would go her own way with Mahendra, but somehow, Devasena would find a way to escape too. That said, I agree with you. Devasena's 25-year of austerity as a prisoner added to the strength of her character. In that case, it would have been better if Devasena remains as she was. But if Shivagami survived alongside Mahendra and groomed Mahendra herself in some distant land, it would have rounded Shivagami's character properly and wouldn't have made Mahendra's transformation look genuine.

Finally, I don't think Devasena was stronger than Shivagami. She simply had a thicker skin and unlike Shivagami, she wasn't as strategic. Shivagami was an ace politician. Devasena was an ace warrior. That's the difference.

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..

Sivagami was certainly an enigmatic woman, and Ramya Krishnan played her to perfection. However, I did mourn the loss of her wit and intelligence that she had in abundance in the first movie. As someone mentioned, the writing of her manipulation and turning negative in such short time wasn't convincing. It could've been done better. In fact, I'd have preferred Bhalla and Bijjala to have had more of a role in Amarendra's death than Sivagami and Katappa, as to me it didn't make sense. It didn't convince me that two people who loved him so deeply could kill him so simply, as if he meant nothing to them. Sivagami's sudden change of heart and the way she ordered Katappa "you must kill Bahubali" didn't convince me at all.

Yep. This was the weakest aspect of the movie. Shivagami's character arc from the just and fiery leader in the first part to the weak, feeble, and gullible woman in the second part was poor writing. After watching Bahubali 1, I expected Bhallala and Bijjal to pull off a Shakuni-esque manipulation to get Bahubali killed. Instead, we got a flat angle, with Shivagami making a fool of herself.

Why the heck would she even order killing Bahubali? As I mentioned in my previous post, this was her beloved son whom she loved even more than Bhallala, but more importantly, she had more faith in Bahu than any other person in the world. After the courtroom fiasco with Devasena, Shivagami didn't talk once to Bahubali--the King-elect of Mahishmati--to clarify things? That just isn't Shivagami. Even if she felt shortchanged by her son, this is one of the noblest and fierce warrior of the era. It doesn't make sense for the leader of such a Kingdom to make such a rookie error.

As for Katappa killing Bahubali, well, it sure as heck left an enthralling mark at the end of the first movie. However, as a plot point, Kattappa could easily play around with loopholes instead of executing the whole ordeal. The assassination could have been so much more powerful if Bhallala executed it with the help of Kattappa instead of Kattappa carrying it out, and through all of this - if Shivagami remained as a mere spectator instead of the instigator. Now that would have been powerful.

Dude @RamkiJaanki u need to give me tutorials on how to make such brilliantly merged gifs!? The one with the fictional amendra and devsena fighting is exquisite!! Please give me tips on making such stuff!

@kareenafanatic,

Originally posted by: Nikki02

Dude @RamkiJaanki u need to give me tutorials on how to make such brilliantly merged gifs!? The one with the fictional amendra and devsena fighting is exquisite!! Please give me tips on making such stuff!

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..

Thank you, Nikki. When time permits, I will try to make some tutorials.😳

Thank you!

Picking up from Janaki, Devsena did not go with Sivagami when S was fleeing, because at that point saving Mahendra was the imperative. She had just given birth, was extremely weak. By going with S, she simply did not want to jeopardise Mahendra's chance of survival, as she knew that the baby would be an immediate target. For two reasons - first, he was Bahu's son, secondly, S had proclaimed him king a short while ago.

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..

Sivagami was certainly an enigmatic woman, and Ramya Krishnan played her to perfection. However, I did mourn the loss of her wit and intelligence that she had in abundance in the first movie. As someone mentioned, the writing of her manipulation and turning negative in such short time wasn't convincing. It could've been done better. In fact, I'd have preferred Bhalla and Bijjala to have had more of a role in Amarendra's death than Sivagami and Katappa, as to me it didn't make sense. It didn't convince me that two people who loved him so deeply could kill him so simply, as if he meant nothing to them. Sivagami's sudden change of heart and the way she ordered Katappa "you must kill Bahubali" didn't convince me at all.

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Both women were great in their own right and had different character graphs.


Sure, Sivagami was a little more flawed and made wrong judgment but she literally sacrificed her life to atone for her mistakes. An act of immense courage and strength of character!


Devasena was always great and showed a great deal of tenacity and strength of character as well, by not accepting defeat when everyone else gave up.


I like both equally.

Originally posted by: ZadayKiDaig

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