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Posted: 9 years ago
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Anurag Kashyap finally opens up on the controversy that has shaken Bollywood up...

Filmmaker Anurag Kashyap today criticised superstar Salman Khan for his rape analogy saying it was "thoughtless" and "daft" of him to make such a remark. He also questioned the journalist, interviewing him, for allegedly laughing over the comment.

Salman, in a group interview to promote "Sultan", made the remark that he felt like a "raped woman" after one gruelling shoot for the wrestling drama. "While shooting, during those six hours, there'd be so much of lifting and thrusting on the ground involved. That was tough for me because if I was lifting, I'd have to lift the same 120-kilo guy 10 times for 10 different angles. And likewise, get thrown that many times on the ground. This act is not repeated that many times in the real fights in the ring. When I used to walk out of the ring, after the shoot, I used to feel like a raped woman walking out..." Salman hastened to add, "I don't think I should have...", suggesting he should not have made such a comparison.

Anurag called the 50-year-old actor "thoughtless and daft" to have made a comment like this. "Why are we making it out his individual responsibility? It is very unfortunate that he made an analogy like that, it is very thoughtless of him, in a way daft of him. I am sure he will be regretting it and will apologise for it. If he really cares, he should apologise for it," the director told a TV channel. It has been reported that the journalists, who were a part of the interview, erupted into laughter at Salman's statement.

slammed the scribe, answering whose question Salman made the comment, saying he should have questioned the "Kick" star over the statement. "But does the responsibility lie alone with him? The guy who is interviewing him... When the man gives an analogy like this, he laughs at it. He does not question him. In his mind, he is thinking I have got a headline. How irresponsible it is to make that into a headline.

"I would have taken that out. It does not send a great signal, it empowers misogyny. Suddenly, people have got issue to jump on," Anurag said. The statement has not gone down well with many, who have taken to Twitter to express their angst against the actor. While his father, scriptwriter Salim Khan, apologised on the actor's behalf, the demand for Salman to issue an apology himself has been growing from political parties, activists and social media users.


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: atominis

Rape As A Flippant Metaphor: Salman's Comment Reflects Our Attitude

Posted: 21/06/2016 13:39 IST Updated: 21/06/2016 15:21 IST
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It seems that when it comes to Salman Khan, to err is Being Human, to forgive is divine.

Salman has shown that he does not need helpless blackbucks and hapless pavement dwellers to land himself in hot hot water. He can do it very efficiently on his own even while doing publicity for his own film.

The latest brouhaha is around a remark about his grueling schedule for the film Sultan. In an interview with Spotboye.com, Salman said, "When I used to walk out of the ring, after the shoot, I used to feel like a raped woman. I couldn't walk straight."

Cue the predictable outrage. Also cue the predictable #misquoted defence. Of course, Salman Khan did not mean it literally. It was just a maladroit metaphor. Why be so serious, yaar? He was obviously joking. Didn't he also say that he'd left every vice except women. Haha.

A superstar like Salman makes for a juicy target. But let's be honest. We can candlelight vigil all we want. We can outrage about the safety of ma-bahen-beti and demand capital punishment for rape. But Salman's latest remarks prove that in the end we just don't take rape seriously. We might say it's just a metaphor, used in jest, perhaps in poor taste but not with malicious intent. But it's interesting that more often than not it's a metaphor used by men, it's a joke made by men in a country where the law does not even recognize male rape.

But it's not just Salman.

Chetan Bhagat, our number one bestselling English-language author compared the plight of the sinking Indian rupee to a rape victim. "The rupee is asking is there no punishment for my rapists" tweeted Bhagat.

BJD MP Jay Panda tweeted that the rupee was the victim of rape by the government.

Dev, muscle-hero turned politician in Bengal, was asked by the Bengali tabloid E Bela how he was enjoying the huge media attention his campaign was receiving.

"Enjoy,,,!" quipped the young star. "It's just like being raped, yaar! You can shout or you can enjoy. Nothing more than that."

More often than not it's a metaphor used by men.


Another Bengali actor turned politician, Tapas Pal, threatened to set his boys on anyone who so much as touched a Trinamool supporter. "They will rape them" he bragged.

CBI chief Ranjit Sinha tried to use rape to make a point about legalizing betting. "It is like saying if you can't prevent rape, you (should) enjoy it'," said Sinha trying to make the point that if the state could not prevent betting they might as well earn some revenue from it.

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Bollywood actor Salman Khan speaks to the media in Mumbai May 21, 2009 .


All of these men expressed varying degrees of regret. Sinha reiterated his "deep sense of regard and respect for women" and apologized for any hurt caused as "same was unintended and inadvertent". Dev tweeted "SINCERE SORRY" in all caps to underscore his sincerity and pleaded newness in politics.

Panda admitted that it was never appropriate "to use the rape analogy for anything other than rape" and deleted his tweet. Pal's wife apologized on his behalf while he checked into a nursing home. Bhagat deleted his tweet but also played victim. "People here are flipping out on using word rape as metaphor. Murder is OK. Using F word is also ok."

The point is not that rape is special. The point is that rape is still regarded as something not special at all, quite trivial. The point is that more often than not women are still blamed for bringing rape upon themselves - for the clothes they wear, the drinks they have, for flirting with strange men, for accepting a ride from a man they met at the bar, for being out too late, for working too late, for going to a nightclub while the children are asleep at home.

The point is that rape is still regarded as something not special at all, quite trivial.
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Salman Khan in a promotional event for the forthcoming film 'Sultan' in Mumbai on May 24, 2016.

A famous Tehelka undercover operation in 23 stations across NCR revealed that a majority of policemen did not believe women were really raped: "There are cases but 70 percent involve consensual sex. Only if someone sees, or money is denied, it gets turned into rape": Anyway according to them a "good" woman would never want to come forward and admit to being raped. "In reality the ones who complain are only those who have turned rape into a business."

With attitudes like that is it any wonder why it's so difficult for us to understand that there's really nothing funny about a rape joke. Or why an outspoken woman on Twitter, especially a journalist, can get routinely threatened with rape. It's a manner of speaking we say. We do not take rape seriously as a crime that's about power.

Instead we regard it as a sex crime. Rape is about sex, and sex is deemed to be enjoyable even when it's not that good. We think of rape as a sort of "adult" joke, a wink-wink nudge-nudge metaphor about anything and everything from cricket to election campaigns to a grueling workout.

We may pick on Chetan Bhagat and Salman Khan but it's a flippancy that permeates our culture through and through. We are like that only. Remember Mulayam Singh Yadav dismissing Mayawati's fear of rape after being attacked by a mob? He said "Is she so beautiful that anyone should want to rape her?"

When Tapas Pal made his rape threat, the crowd did not boo him, they hooted and hollered. Rape was a figure of speech for them, a colourful way to make a point. A few weeks after the Jyoti Singh gang rape in Delhi was dominating the news cycle I remember a joke circulating on Whatsapp. It was about a candlelight vigil at Eden Garden in Kolkata, not for Jyoti Singh but for the "rape" of the Indian cricket team which had been thrashed in some match or the other.

We've all seen those jokes. We might have even cringed. But how often do we call our friends out on it for forwarding them? Or do we hold our tongues afraid of being called politically correct spoilsports who need to lighten up? For all the brouhaha now, it's not clear whether the journalist who was interviewing Dev for that tabloid or Salman Khan for spotboye challenged the remark or even flagged it though the journalist did challenge him when he equated women to a "vice" ala cigarettes and alcohol.

We've all seen those jokes. We might have even cringed. But how often do we call our friends out on it for forwarding them?


Salman Khan might be facing the heat now but he's just a symptom of a much larger malaise. Until we understand this we'll always remain a society that teaches as Kat Kelley put it on Mic "don't get raped' rather than don't rape'".

And as long as the onus is on the survivor, the rest of us will not understand that a rape joke is sending out a message that sexual violence is not such a big deal after all. It's just boys being boys.

http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2016/06/21/salman-khan-rape-comment_n_10584356.html



Excellent article... But also very very Disturbing...

Nothing happens in this country... nothing at all!

oh Wait, I'm wrong...things do happen but not against the people who say such things but against people who protest against such things ...

"Ankit Goyal, the judge who summoned SP Chief Mulayam suspended"

Goyal made news headlines after he took duo moto cognisance of Mulayam Singh Yadav's remark on rape in August last year.

The Samajwadi Party chief had said that one person commits rape and four persons are named as accused. "Can four persons rape a woman," he had asked and said it was impractical.

The SP chief was summoned under section 190 (1C) of the Criminal Procedure Court.
Mulayam was asked to appear in the court on September 16, 2015.
The order was later quashed by the Allahabad High Court (pl check).




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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: NathuPyare

Excellent article... But also very very Disturbing...

Nothing happens in this country... nothing at all!

oh Wait, I'm wrong...things do happen but not against the people who say such things but against people who protest against such things ...

"Ankit Goyal, the judge who summoned SP Chief Mulayam suspended"

Goyal made news headlines after he took duo moto cognisance of Mulayam Singh Yadav's remark on rape in August last year.

The Samajwadi Party chief had said that one person commits rape and four persons are named as accused. "Can four persons rape a woman," he had asked and said it was impractical.

The SP chief was summoned under section 190 (1C) of the Criminal Procedure Court.
Mulayam was asked to appear in the court on September 16, 2015.
The order was later quashed by the Allahabad High Court (pl check).





Wow! Thats just mind-boggling!
No wonder judges in India prefer to take huge bribes and give judgement in favor of criminals and rapists and murderers!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Salman has lost it. If same thing was said by SRK then people would have burnt his posters and boycott his movie but I know our so called tolerant Bhai Ke Fans will somehow defend him and this matter will be pushed under the carpet and Sultan will break some BO records and that's it. .!! Hail Bhaijaan...!! The cycle continues and Bhai will return in October with Big Boss...!!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Calling it overeaction is complete ignorance.🤢

India has problem of female foeticide and one of the reasons given for it is fear for girl's safety and considering girl a burden. Girls are not sent to school or college just due to fear of rape. Many girl students are raped at school by teachers or fellow students or some watchman. Girls are raped by bus/school van drivers. Girls are often not sent to universities abroad or far from home only for fear of safety aka fear that girl might be raped. Females are unable to travel alone or even stay alone at home without fear. Child marriage and early marriage are also prevalent mainly to preserve safety, chastity - and ward off threat of rape. Girls are thwarted from pursuing higher education or a career citing burden of their safety.

Most rants on safety of women are veiled allusion to rape besides other forms of assault.

If a woman gets raped, it is she who is blamed. If her family files complaint they are also made fun of, insulted and issues like honour are tied to rape. Police, courts, doctors and even often social workers besides families and neighbours humiliate rape victims here.

Most oft repeated way to 'shut up' females or 'show them their place' or 'teach them a lesson' is to issue a threat of rape.

Rape victims are driven to suicide, forced to live in isolation or killed for honour or even forced to marry their rapists here.

Often certain PGs, coaching centres refuse to admit females due to pressure of ensuring their safety and security.

Girls are often not even allowed to go out and play or attend camps, picnics, trips even if sponsored by schools, simply due to fear of their safety.

Entire lives of females are dictated by threat of rape and you people say this is not an issue or people are overreacting?😲

Rape is a whole baggage of fear, threat, trauma, abuse, isolation, humiliation here. Very different from what it might be in Western societies.

Even the one who has not been raped here has somehow been threatened or lived under fear of such safety threat.

And you tell us not to talk about it or treat it as just a routine figure of speech or reduce it to fan wars!


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Posted: 9 years ago
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when tanmay bhat was making such rape jokes tab toh alia bhatt and baaki bahut sare log were supporting him and his frds , tab kya hua tha yahan ki janta ko , genuine question .
Salman ko jo dose mil rhaa hai wo usi time tanmay ko de dete toh salman ki himmat hi nahi hoti 😡
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Posted: 9 years ago
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This is over reaction lol. The problem has forever and will always lie with the females in Indian society. The more you accept few things that females can't do/females are looked down upon/ the more you let the effing men dominate the effing Indian society, this effing mindset will never change. our great grandmas, grandmas, have passed this on to our parents. luckily I have parents who have learnt to adapt with time and I'm so happy about it. as far as this SK he was, is and will always be a hopeless case whom people will continue to blindly support come what may. People say what the eff has his movies got to do with him Well they have a LOT MORE THAN you can think/imagine.
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Originally posted by: atominis



Calling it overeaction is complete ignorance.🤢

India has problem of female foeticide and one of the reasons given for it is fear for girl's safety and considering girl a burden. Girls are not sent to school or college just due to fear of rape. Many girl students are raped at school by teachers or fellow students or some watchman. Girls are raped by bus/school van drivers. Girls are often not sent to universities abroad or far from home only for fear of safety aka fear that girl might be raped. Females are unable to travel alone or even stay alone at home without fear. Child marriage and early marriage are also prevalent mainly to preserve safety, chastity - and ward off threat of rape. Girls are thwarted from pursuing higher education or a career citing burden of their safety.

Most rants on safety of women are veiled allusion to rape besides other forms of assault.

If a woman gets raped, it is she who is blamed. If her family files complaint they are also made fun of, insulted and issues like honour are tied to rape. Police, courts, doctors and even often social workers besides families and neighbours humiliate rape victims here.

Most oft repeated way to 'shut up' females or 'show them their place' or 'teach them a lesson' is to issue a threat of rape.

Rape victims are driven to suicide, forced to live in isolation or killed for honour or even forced to marry their rapists here.

Often certain PGs, coaching centres refuse to admit females due to pressure of ensuring their safety and security.

Girls are often not even allowed to go out and play or attend camps, picnics, trips even if sponsored by schools, simply due to fear of their safety.

Entire lives of females are dictated by threat of rape and you people say this is not an issue or people are overreacting?😲

Rape is a whole baggage of fear, threat, trauma, abuse, isolation, humiliation here. Very different from what it might be in Western societies.

Even the one who has not been raped here has somehow been threatened or lived under fear of such safety threat.

And you tell us not to talk about it or treat it as just a routine figure of speech or reduce it to fan wars!



👏👏 Girls or women who grew up in India would understand what is said here.
There is a constant threat, a real fear of being molested or harassed by disgusting men!
You cannot step out of the house without being harassed on the streets, molested in public buses. Its those leering eyes and groping hands everywhere you go! 🤢
And its gotten even worse now, with the advent of internet, access to online xxx sites, rape jokes, and an epidemic of every single imaginable crime against women and girls, even little children are not spared!
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Originally posted by: pallavi25



👏👏Girls or women who grew up in India would understand what is said here.
There is a constant threat, a real fear of being molested or harassed by disgusting men!
You cannot step out of the house without being harassed on the streets, molested in public buses. Its those leering eyes and groping hands everywhere you go!🤢
And its gotten even worse now, with the advent of internet, access to online xxx sites, rape jokes, and an epidemic of every single imaginable crime against women and girls, even little children are not spared!


USA is so much safer than even Mumbai which is considered one of the safer places for women in India. Once I was Working late in office and between 9-10 pm my mother gave 52 missed calls. My team has ordered dinner so I was away from my desk in cafeteria. I forgot to take my phone with me. I know my mistake but freaking 52 calls I was shocked. That's the fear parents have for their girl child in India. And harassment oh yeah when I was naive. USA is so much safer. I was grocery shopping in Walmart between 1-3 am in the night. If people try to harass you can easily sue them. The best part is people are scared of the law. I cannot say the same about India.
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USA is so much safer than even Mumbai which is considered one of the safer places for women in India. Once I was Working late in office and between 9-10 pm my mother gave 52 missed calls. My team has ordered dinner so I was away from my desk in cafeteria. I forgot to take my phone with me. I know my mistake but freaking 52 calls I was shocked. That's the fear parents have for their girl child in India. And harassment oh yeah when I was naive. USA is so much safer. I was grocery shopping in Walmart between 1-3 am in the night. If people try to harass you can easily sue them. The best part is people are scared of the law. I cannot say the same about India.


Exactly! There is law and order here for the most part! Girls can go out at night in most places.
I can guess how worried your parents must have been when you didnt pick up their calls. Its a constant dread, panic, fear for parents of girls.
Here, if you drink and drive you get jail time or fines, if you kill someone while driving drunk, they will throw you in jail! Not so in India...everything goes, sab chalta hai! 🥱

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