Are box office figures the only criteria for success? - Page 3

Originally posted by: blue-ice

The sad part is that yes BO number is as important as critical acclaim...otherwise the actor just dies out no matter how good he is...and all masala is not crap...they have their own market and audience...which love masala movies...

Originally posted by: .Jane..

If they don't charge money for the work they put in, what will they eat? It's their LIVELIHOOD we're talking about, not a hobby. At least think before you make a point!

Anyway my post is not about how payments work in Bollywood. That's a debate for another day and I don't see how that has any relevance with what I said in the main post. But logic says that if producers are willing to pay that much to these actors despite the 'poor box office record', they must be doing something right.

Originally posted by: -Arsal-

Haider made 50 crores while Humpty, 2 states, EV, even BB made so much more and they are totally forgotten one year down the line.

But Haider and Shahid, Tabu were the amongst the most talked about for the year. Shahid, Aamir, Tabu and Kangana. Now PK made 350 but even if it had done say 150 people would still have talked about how good the movie was and the brilliant performance that Aamir gave.

Originally posted by: LaFUNgA

You asked about BO Criteria, now u yourself agreeing that Stars have to earn something to able to Live & support their families, Right? So How come It is not Relevant to see whether if that Star is able to give BO Success or not?

A producer invest 50 Cr in a film, pays a Star 10 Cr, Film does a business of 25 Cr, Now that producer lost 25 Cr but film receives Critical Acclaim, Awards? So Now, u will ask that producer Don't see BO Success of film, Quality matters?

Producers are paying LESS in future to those stars who have performed badly at BO, this is fact, they can't give same huge amount to them if they have such huge FLOP Ratio at BO. So in every way, only BO decides if that STAR can get WORK or not irrespective of TALENT.

Naseer Saab is considered as one of THE BEST in industry, but when he was launched as HERO in HERO HIRALAL, film was massive flop, so no one ahead in Industry offered him HERO Role, he does Character Role now, This is BO perspective which effected him & he came as 2nd lead or character artist.

Originally posted by: .Jane..

I still don't get the connection between BO being the criteria for a successful career and how much an actor charges tbh. I am just lost there! If the point is that those who got less BO returns should charge less, that's fine I don't think I disagree. But that is a different topic of discussion which doesn't belong here. I really think there's some miscommunication happening between us. I request you to read Arsal's post on the previous page, maybe then you'll understand what I'm trying to say :)

Originally posted by: -Arsal-

And another thing most of the people don't understand here is that different movies are meant for different audiences and all are not supposed to crack 200 crores. The type of the movies, its subject, genre and the release date matter a lot. DG no matter what wont do as much as PK and PK wont make 350 if it came on a non-holiday period.

Oscar Issac; one of my favorite upcoming actors has Starwars and the X-men movie coming up. Now Ex-Machina didn't make anywhere near the numbers those movies will amke but it is an understood thing here. Nobody expected it to and nobody will go that he is not a star.

Also he will be judged by his acting in all these movies because he is an actor. Not on why his movie failed to live up even half as much as Starwars made.

The point is there is a market, a time and a place for every movie. if it does well in that scenario its well and good. The sooner BW understands this, we will see more quality/ diverse movies instead of the same old crap we get each week for the most part.

Originally posted by: .Jane..

People accepted her with open arms after her debut despite it being a flop. She didn't take her movie career seriously and that is why she is so behind her contemporaries. This is what I meant when I said nepotism can give you chances but work speaks.