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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Saraa.

Sonam is getting work but she has a very poor box office success. That means people didn't accepted her. However it might change with PRDP and neeraj biopic


People accepted her with open arms after her debut despite it being a flop. She didn't take her movie career seriously and that is why she is so behind her contemporaries. This is what I meant when I said nepotism can give you chances but work speaks.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Jane..


Sonam is just about 'surviving'. Her body of work is very underwhelming considering how long she's been here and if people make similar topics on her, I'll actually agree. And this is coming from someone who really saw potential in her.
As for Vidya, she's going through a lean phase but I don't think her career is finished.


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@you2: Janta decides success of a FILM, not the ACTORS. The actors are a small part in the package of a film. It's success cannot be credited only to them and similarly, a flop can't be blamed just on them.
Don't take a Khan's name. They are exception to the rule.


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A concept that is lost on so many people on here; its astounding.
Edited by -Arsal- - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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There is class system with celebrities too. A-listers. B-listers. Box office figures appear to be the only criteria for success. ATBB and BB are brought in to illustrate how one star is better than another when success is unpredictable and in no one's hands. Some things work, while others don't, but we are so charmed by success that we put it on a pedestal and fail to notice other things. For instance: Hrithik is an incredible dancer. Rajpal Yadav is amazing in comedies. Bollywood needs and runs on talent. ATBB and BB are important only to producers and actors. For the audience we watch movies to be entertained and we have every right to expect talent for that.

Edited by tennant - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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An actor is judged by his work, his roles, acting caliber and filmography.; always has been as always will be. Nobody gives a damn about BO; it is only relevant till the next movie.

Lets take Aamir and his filmography up till 2001(using this filter because a long time has passed for us to see where these movies stand today) ;
What are his most appreciated/remember roles??
Raakh, Earth, Sarfarosh, JJWS, AAA, Rangeela, Lagaan, DCH.

How much money did they make at the BO?? And what of the movies he made that were huge at BO??

Now I am not saying that a movie that does massive at the BO cant be good. PK and 3I prove otherwise. But what this tells is that quality prevails no matter what. It always comes out on top in the end and an actor's greatness or his impact always depends on what kind of movies he did and how good he was in those movies.

Never will you here people talking about how good a movie was based on what it made or how competent an actor is based on his BO.

BO is important but nowhere near the extent that certain people especially of late have made it out to be. If a movie makes profits; it should be good enough for that actor. BBs don't the actor. Lets be honest how many people really think about the BO as opposed to the quality of the movie or the performance of the actor?? Which one stays with you more??

Also a movie depends on so many factors other than just the lead actor. Direction, story, screenplay, trailers, cinematography; all make a movie what it is. This a concept that is lost on most people that come on this board. The actors in the sole reason for the success nor he is the only one to blame for the failure.

Khans are a different case because they belong to a different time; but even in their case, it showed in their latest outings. HNY didn't make what it was supposed to despite coming on a holiday, Same with BB and even Kick failed to cross 250. The less said about Jai Ho the better. One thing that works big in their favor(Aamir included before certain someones jump up in anger) is that their movies come on holidays. There is no choice for people; those who want to see a movie will have to make do with them no matter the quality. This new trend is very exciting with other people clashing and with time you will see even the Khans lose if they continue to make crap.

Haider last year and that was among the most talked movies of the year and will go down as one of the classics of Indian cinema. It was a success at BO as well, nothing huge. Ask the people involved and they all will take that eyes closed instead of huge BO numbers without the acclaim. The movie and Shahid's, Tabu's portrayal will be talked about in the years to come while nobody will remember its BO or the Bo of other countless movies that managed to beat it.

Lastly lets take the last decade and come up with the movie for the top three which will be remembered 20 years down the line. That will be a good indicator of just how much huge BO influences an actor's career and his legacy as opposed to quality movies.

PK, 3I, Talaash, Rang De Basanti, CDI and TZP are the only ones imo. Notice the pattern and how these have absolutely nothing to do with BO at all. That says it all.


Edited by -Arsal- - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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If Box Office is not Important, how come same stars u mention in your 1st post Take such HUGE AMOUNT for their Work? What is that for? If their is love for Art of Cinema, plz do it for Free? Why does their is Ticket Price for their film? Cinema hai, Art hai, Free mein dikhao apna Talent? NO.

When u can charge so much from Producer, You have to deliver, if u can't don't complain about BO thing only. ON this forum, Bias viewpoint floats much, majority of fangroup Combine makes an image for those stars which in outside world is opposite.

So any kind of discussion here that too UnBias Views on Cinema/Art, Quality is rare, you will find flow supporting their actors only.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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If an Aamir Khan film works wonder at BO, it is Quality Prevails, if it doesn't don't consider BO, that is meant for Quality only 😆

D3 / PK Rates raised are highest in Bollywood history, especially PK, film is No.1 at BO, no Wonder raising so much rates u got the desired figures & then PPL talk about QUALITY 🤣

3I was released on 1/3 Screens, still D3/PK couldn't even come close to magnitude of it's Success, also Footfalls were low. Now raising the bar of Ticket Prices was meant SPECIFICALLY to achieve that HUGE EXPECTATION of 300+ Crore, else, if it would have been on Normal Hike, PK would not have been even crossed 250 Cr. You talk about Quality, don't raise Ticket Price, come with same format, show me if it can do that mcuh?? Can It? If they don't, Then BO is out of context?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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BO figures are definitely important...an actor should be able to get atleast SOME people to watch their work else they become irrelevant..look at Abhay Deol who used to be the messiah of indie films. He is over today...ignored by the very people whom he made.
But I also agree...not every film can make 300cr. The criteria for success for every film must be different.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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No, BO is huge factor but not the only factor in cine world. Some movie with 100 Crs is BB and some with 140 is called semi hit.. so there r so many factors cramped up b4 it hit even hits silver screen.
I will talk abt numbers first.

There r numbers and the numbers dont tell u the whole story. Virender Sehwag has more tripple centuries than Sachin... but ppl know the whole story.

We r judging from the end and not beginning. Its the producers-directors- writters decide who will they want in the movie.. and its upto the star to decide.. to do or not to do and at what fees. Nepotism works, but most ppl wud go for the star/actor who wud suit the role/movie. And in the end BO decides if it was worth the punt.

BO ki aisi ma bahen ek kardi hai BOI ne.. ke sala koi is par bharosa na kare, lekin is forum pe sab chalta hai.

If producers pay the right amount to director and writer and all involved.. its perfect. If the producer gets his money back and profit from all the sources like overseas, tv rights, music rights etc.. then hez happy with the star he signed. Some stars movies sell way b4 it is released. They r the superstars.. or A-listers whatever.

Therez on average of one year diff... when film is announced and released. An we know what can happen in one year. Its all guestimates for the ppl who put their money, hard work and creativity on line. Ranbir got 32 Crs for BV and Varun got 15 Crs ABCD2. Coz, it that time they were signed. Now, BO says Varun will charge more than Ranbir in the projects they sign.

We only go by budget Vs BO numbers... but its not all true. The verdict is given based on how much its sold from producers to Indian distros.. if its sold cheaply, distros r happy.. its a HIT. Doesnt matter what the budget is. Producer lose or make profits doesnt have any say BO verdicts of a movie. And to make matter worst, BW is not at all transparent. So much for a huge industry.

Now, a curious case of big stars home productions. lets talk abt Roshans. If YRF has to hire Rakesh Roshan as a director, 20 Crs must be given. If HR (whoz not RR's son) will be signed for 40 Crs.. thats 60 Crs gone b4 the film is even on the floor.

But thats not the case.. Roshans have their own home production and for sure they wont charge anything more than daily expenses. NOW, the movie's budget is reduced by 60 Crs.. really? r they that stpd? movies budget will still be 100 plus crs.. and it will be sold to distros at very high prices.

If they had to fudge the figures and save income tax, they wud sell it to much lesser price and still make it BB.. and not much tax to pay.. the profit goes in their home account anyways.

This applies to all 3 khans too.. do they charge in their movies? if they dont, why budget is so big? why is it sold at high prices to distros? Dont they want to have BBs to stay on top? hahaha, its money.. all abt money. But its a complex game to play.. fame name and bank balance. 😉







Edited by AllBlacks1 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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OT, no.. success doesnt mean money only. Otherwise only 5% of the world population wud be happy.. but guess even they r not happy. 😆
If u have noticed, the actors r loved on this forum, only the stars r bashed.


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Posted: 10 years ago
#20

Originally posted by: tennant

There is class system with celebrities too. A-listers. B-listers. Box office figures appear to be the only criteria for success. ATBB and BB are brought in to illustrate how one star is better than another when success is unpredictable and in no one's hands. Some things work, while others don't, but we are so charmed by success that we put it on a pedestal and fail to notice other things. For instance: Hrithik is an incredible dancer. Rajpal Yadav is amazing in comedies. Bollywood needs and runs on talent. ATBB and BB are important only to producers and actors. For the audience we watch movies to be entertained and we have every right to expect talent for that.


I agree with what you said. I don't rule out that BO figures look good on an actors' CV but that's not on them. What ruined some actors' careers was their poor script sense. Talent doesn't always get a chance in BW but one without talent doesn't survive either.

Originally posted by: LaFUNgA

If Box Office is not Important, how come same stars u mention in your 1st post Take such HUGE AMOUNT for their Work? What is that for? If their is love for Art of Cinema, plz do it for Free? Why does their is Ticket Price for their film? Cinema hai, Art hai, Free mein dikhao apna Talent? NO.

When u can charge so much from Producer, You have to deliver, if u can't don't complain about BO thing only. ON this forum, Bias viewpoint floats much, majority of fangroup Combine makes an image for those stars which in outside world is opposite.

So any kind of discussion here that too UnBias Views on Cinema/Art, Quality is rare, you will find flow supporting their actors only.


If they don't charge money for the work they put in, what will they eat? It's their LIVELIHOOD we're talking about, not a hobby. At least think before you make a point!
Anyway my post is not about how payments work in Bollywood. That's a debate for another day and I don't see how that has any relevance with what I said in the main post. But logic says that if producers are willing to pay that much to these actors despite the 'poor box office record', they must be doing something right.


Originally posted by: AllBlacks1

OT, no.. success doesnt mean money only. Otherwise only 5% of the world population wud be happy.. but guess even they r not happy. 😆

If u have noticed, the actors r loved on this forum, only the stars r bashed.



I have certainly not noticed this. According to me, every single entity remotely connected to Bollywood is bashed on this forum. For the record, the 'stars' you're talking about, I actually find them to be very good actors if they get the correct script and director which can push them to their caliber.

@Arsal: Thank you for your insightful reply. The only one which made me feel I wasn't nuts for making a topic here.
None of what I said in my post is true for a Khan. The Khans have reached a place in their career where it doesn't matter how much their movies make. At the same time, they're the ones who have that loyalty of cinegoers who will watch a movie just for them. I am not saying ALL their movies WILL be blockbusters but there are movies, some very good some absolutely rubbish, that wouldn't have done the kind of business they did had SRK/Salman/Aamir not starred in them. But that position is held by no fourth person in the industry today.
I won't say much more but I agree with everything you said regarding a lot of other factors deciding the fate of the movie and how when we look back many years on, BO will not matter. It's a momentary thing. Important but not all-pervasive.

@Hajmola: It's not even about 300cr really. Abhay Deol was never taken seriously as a mainstream actor and failure of his likes is the reason why one feels talent is not enough in Bollywood.
BO figures do matter but when it comes to ACTORS being able to make people watch their films, that doesn't happen out of thin air. Something about the film has to work other than the 'starring'. Audience will not go watch a movie just for an actor today unless the actor is Shah Rukh, Salman or Aamir Khan. I ADMIT none of them have that standing. Who bothered with Revolver Rani despite how hyped Kangana was after Queen? And Ranbir's Besharam came right after a highly successful YJHD. Is this enough to look back at their career being an unsuccessful one? Does their work hold no relevance because it's not generating numbers? They're still here, they still get work and they still shine. It's not like the last time Shahid was in news for his WORK was a decade ago! Haider apparently made Shahid relevant again (and it wasn't even a big commercial success by IF standards) but do you think he would've been in that film in the first place if he didn't have credibility? One hit is not all it takes enough to revive an 'unsuccessful' career.
Edited by .Jane.. - 10 years ago

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