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Posted: 10 years ago

#71

This was worth the read.

Well written TM.👏

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return_to_hades

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Posted: 10 years ago

#72

Originally posted by: Heisenberg.
The Violence Against Women Act, which only protects women from domestic violence and not men who are stuck in abusive relationships.

The violence against women act is similar to hate crime prevention acts. When certain groups face excessive violence under prevailing laws, additional laws are drafted to to target the selective violence. The law is because in normal circumstances majority population enjoys certain privileges that serve as protection which is why the targeted minority needs protection. The intent is not to draft a law at the expense of the majority population.

Originally posted by: Heisenberg.
The Selective Act, which forces men to register for the draft, or they will be fined and imprisoned.

The Selective Service Act was passed in 1917 in light of World War I. At that time women were not complete citizens and did not have the right to vote. It was not until 1920 when women's suffrage became law. (In USA)

The various draft acts existed in an anti-feminist era where women were considered too weak or unsuitable for war. Drafts mostly do not exist. If the draft were necessary again, feminism would require equal conscription.

Originally posted by: Heisenberg.
Laws that protect only girls from circumcision, not boys, can't remember the name

Female circumcision and male circumcision are biologically different. Male circumcision removes a thin membrane. Female circumcision basically removes several parts of the female genitalia. At minimum the labia and opening to vulva are removed and at worst the c***oral hood and c***oris is removed. The biological health risks with FGM are far significant.

Female and male circumcision cannot be treated equally because they are starkly different in the extent of biological modification and medical risks.

Originally posted by: Heisenberg.
Reproductive rights, several cases of paternity frauds are committed every year because women have reproductive rights that men don't have. Several cases of men paying for children that women tricked them into having, and in some cases they're paying for children that are not even theirs.

Child support laws state that the higher earning parent pay for child support. DNA evidence now prevents paternity fraud.

I think the right to carry a fetus to term or terminate it should rest with the owner of the womb, because that means nine months of gestation within the womb. Until we create external wombs or technology for men to get wombs, that default right will be with women.

Until then men who do not wish to have children can choose to have a vasectomy which can be reversed easily when they want children. In most western nations barring USA this is covered by universal health care.

I feel if feminism achieves its objectives both parties will be viewed equally. The man is considered the perpetrator because women are deemed weaker sex.

Originally posted by: Heisenberg.
Divorce laws and custody laws, courts favour women most of the time.

Divorce laws and custody are meant to be neutral and support the person who has the better ability to support the child. Alimony is paid by higher earning spouse.

I feel if feminism achieves its objectives divorce proceedings will be more objective. Courts tend to be unfairly sympathetic to women because they are deemed weaker sex.

Originally posted by: Heisenberg.
Boys are lagging behind girls academically, boys are getting lesser grades/honours than girls, fewer guys are going to uni, nothing to do with intelligence, but changes in social and cultural attitudes that places greater emphasis on females.

Boys lagging behind in certain academics is an unfortunate side affect of encouraging women's education that must be corrected. Statistically though women still lag behind in many educational and professional fields.

The other fact is that education system is broken in most nations. Upper class fare better than lower class. Asians fare better academically than most. Whites get preference in admissions rather than others. All these happen irrespective of intelligence and ability.

Originally posted by: Heisenberg.
In the UK, retirement age is higher for men than women, though women have a longer lifespan.

I am not sure why it is disparate in UK. The age is same in USA in most of the EU.

Originally posted by: Heisenberg.
I fully support upliftment of underprivileged women, but I am not a feminist, and no feminist gets to define what I am.

I cannot define who you are or how you align yourself.

But feminism is an effort to uplift underprivilged women to bring about equality of all humans in society.

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

The violence against women act is similar to hate crime prevention acts. When certain groups face excessive violence under prevailing laws, additional laws are drafted to to target the selective violence. The law is because in normal circumstances majority population enjoys certain privileges that serve as protection which is why the targeted minority needs protection. The intent is not to draft a law at the expense of the majority population. [/quote]

Please explain how the hate crime prevention act protects men who suffer from domestic violence in the way that violence against women act protects women from domestic violence?

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VivaEmptiness

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: Heisenberg.
A better idea would be for women to be honest, not lie and deceive a man just to sleep with him and use him as a sperm bank, and force him to pay child support for a child he didn't want

You have a choice. It's called not having sex or at a minimum wearing a condom! 😛

If one doesn't want a child he should take all precautions. I believe It's your own doing that you fell for her lies. You do dumb things and dumb things have consequences. This whole a man should've any say in a woman's body is silly and will never happen. Wrap it up or deal with your mistake for 18 years.

Edited by VivaEmptiness - 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: VivaEmptiness

You have a choice. It's called not having sex or at a minimum wearing a condom! 😛

If one doesn't want a child he should take all precautions. I believe It's your own doing that you fell for her lies. You do dumb things and dumb things have consequences. This whole a man should've any say in a woman's body is silly and will never happen. Wrap it up or deal with your mistake for 18 years.

What if you wore a condom and still got pregnant?, it happens, condoms aren't 100% guaranteed to work.

The man shouldn't have to pay for a child that a women had through deceit, she can choose not to have the child or to have it, but if she expects the man to pay for the child, then the man should have the right to have a say.

Afterall it's the man who's gonna be forced to pay, he may have to take up a few jobs just to keep up with the payments; forced to stress himself out and die early, forced to use his body for 18 years. If it's his body being used for eighteen years, and his body dying sooner, then it's should be his business too.

Just another example of how women are protected from blame and wrongdoing.

Edited by Heisenberg. - 10 years ago

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Posted: 10 years ago

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@Heisenberg

1) Hate Crime Prevention acts protect homosexuals, ethnic minorities and minority religions from violent hate crime. But there is no similar act for White Anglo Saxon Protestant. That is because of the statistics of violence against minorities. Violence against Women act is based on similar principles.It does not offer special legal protections for men who suffer domestic abuse because the law was created to address a different statistic.

2) Forcing only men to register is indeed discriminatory and unfair. I think male drafting is anti-feminist. In that sense Israel is progressive as it requires equal commitment from both men and women towards the army. There is a movement to end registration. If that happens men and women will be on equal playing field.

3) It is not a competition. I am merely pointing out significant biological and methodological differences that make FGM far more undesirable and dangerous.

This article elaborates why FGM is different? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/mens-health/10998633/Dont-compare-male-circumcision-with-FGM.html

Can you explain why you feel FGM and MGM are comparable from biological and health perspectives?

You also realize that male circumcision comes from patriarchal religious traditions and movements against it have been resisted strongly resisted by religious factions. In fact some feminists have actually been strong advocates against circumcision as a patriarchal tradition.
http://feministing.com/2010/06/07/being-allies-against-male-circumcision/
http://www.circinfo.org/Circumcision_and_women.html

The reason why there is no law against circumcision is because being anti-circumcision is often considered anti-Semitic or anti-Islam. Since FGM was practiced only in smaller fringe communities the fight against it was easier. It isn't really a discrimination against men issue as much a as a religious one.

4) Men and women both assume several risks when they choose to enter sexual relations. Both assume the risk of unwanted baby and getting pregnant in a situation where one partner is unwilling.

Since women control the womb in their body, the best bet is for men to control the sperm in their body.

I don't condone lying and disagree with the notion that men are wrong or that women deserve children. Unfortunately, patriarchy considers that women to be maternal and victims. As I mentioned once feminism makes all humans truly equal, divorces and paternity cases would be handled with factual objectivity rather than social prejudices towards one gender.

5) That is not entirely 100% true.

A lot of grunt work related to cleaning and farming is done by poor working class immigrants both men and women.

Second wave feminism played a huge role in pushing women to get acceptance in male dominated fields like mining, heavy construction, steelworks etc. Rosie the Riveter became one of the most renown feminist icon pushing for acceptance of women in such jobs.

While men make up 99% of the workforce in dangerous jobs due to lack of female applicants. Women and children have been historically exploited in factory work. Sweatshop labor across the world tends to be women and children.

The number of women in dangerous industries has increased and hopefully we can reach a day when there are no professional fields segregated by gender.

Edited by return_to_hades - 10 years ago

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Heisenberg: A law, ANY law which is designed for the protection and upliftment of a particular under-privileged segment of society, is bound to have its flip side. But would that mean the intention of that law is wrong in its entireity?
Take for instance the dowry law in India, a law with "arrest-on-FIR" and stringent jail terms (if proved in court) is intended to stop the epidemic of dowry-related deaths. While it did achieve that aim to a great extent, it also gave leeway to a lot of unscruplous women to falsely implicate their in-laws and husbands. That was due to a flaw in the law, which recently underwent correction.

Now, would you condemn this law itself or the intent behind it (feminist) because of its side-effects?

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VivaEmptiness

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Posted: 10 years ago

#78

Originally posted by: Heisenberg.

What if you wore a condom and still got pregnant?, it happens, condoms aren't 100% guaranteed to work.

The man shouldn't have to pay for a child that a women had through deceit, she can choose not to have the child or to have it, but if she expects the man to pay for the child, then the man should have the right to have a say.

Afterall it's the man who's gonna be forced to pay, he may have to take up a few jobs just to keep up with the payments; forced to stress himself out and die early, forced to use his body for 18 years. If it's his body being used for eighteen years, and his body dying sooner, then it's should be his business too.

Just another example of how women are protected from blame and wrongdoing.

I just mentioned a way for you to avoid unwanted child. Having sex comes with responsibilities, unplanned pregnancy is one of them. To force a woman to have abortion because you don't want to pay child support is selfish. I guess you can say the same about making a man who doesn't want child paying child support but the difference is the man could've avoided getting her pregnant.

And since you mentioned men's body being used, I could bring up what a woman's body goes through before and after pregnancy but what's the point I'm sure you already know. Before this ends up making me sound like I'm blaming men for all problems, let me just say I think the perfect solution would be to have both parties sign a document before intercourse. There should be a law giving men the right to sign away any responsibilities in case pregnancy happens. Since there isn't, you are responsible from your end. Do it right and you won't be dealing with unwanted babies.

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Upliftment of women = feminism.

If you support uplifting of underprivileged women, you are feminist by default; whether you admit to it or not.

@ red

What a HORRIBLE thing to say !! 😆

sorry , couldn't resist saying it .. 😛

Reminder : some of us here are Equalists and NOT Feminists.. i dont think imposing like this is going to help Modern Feminism.. 😆

Edited by Quixotic5 - 10 years ago

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return_to_hades

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: VivaEmptiness
I just mentioned a way for you to avoid unwanted child. Having sex comes with responsibilities, unplanned pregnancy is one of them. To force a woman to have abortion because you don't want to pay child support is selfish. I guess you can say the same about making a man who doesn't want child paying child support but the difference is the man could've avoided getting her pregnant.

And since you mentioned men's body being used, I could bring up what a woman's body goes through before and after pregnancy but what's the point I'm sure you already know. Before this ends up making me sound like I'm blaming men for all problems, let me just say I think the perfect solution would be to have both parties sign a document before intercourse. There should be a law giving men the right to sign away any responsibilities in case pregnancy happens. Since there isn't, you are responsible from your end. Do it right and you won't be dealing with unwanted babies.

It is a tricky area.

Historically, many men impregnated women and refused to acknowledge heirs. Hence, paternity and child support laws were made. These laws are not actually to give women rights but protect illegitimate children from differences between their parents and ensure they have the means for a decent upbringing. Laws unfortunately come with loopholes. I don't think the loopholes are as prominent and common, nonetheless it is difficult for victims.

Damned Breeders!

I keep hoping for the day when Bokanovsky invents his process and absolves us of all the problems of paternity, maternity and heredity. Abortion, population control, child support, unwanted pregnancy - so many problems all solved in one fell swoop.

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