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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: krystal_watz

One angry desperately-wanna-be-a-Devil's-Advocate. 🐷

That sums is up perfectly...😆😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Why does she keep saying critics shouldnt be praising and influencing audiences... audience kabhi influence hui hai critics se... itni saari 100 cr , 200 cr ki filmein hamne critics ke kehne pe hit karayi thi kya...

Arre baba...whatever audiences like they - who gives a damn about critics!😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I just want to say that autistic people are capable of loving. Yes they may not understand it the way we do but it also depends on where they are on the spectrum, all autistic people are different in their understanding and expression of love. Also, autistic people are capable of feeling jealousy in fact their jealousy many times is more pronounced than "normal" people. My roommate has been dating a guy for 2 years, he has Aspergers (yes it is a milder form of autism) however, he is very capable of loving, caring, showing concern, etc. Another thing, autistic people are not dumb, their IQ depends on the severity of their autism.

The writer is simply trying to say that, Barfi! isn't the masterpiece it is being hailed as but too bad the writer seems so negative about it. They have raised some valid points while other points don't make sense just because the movie was not trying to portray perfection in the first place. It was only trying to show people that anyone is capable of falling in love regardless of who they are and their circumstances. It is supposed to be a feel good movie simple as that.

Anyways, I think spreading happiness does begin with something as simple as just smiling at others.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Whoever wrote this might have got some great sense of sadistic pleasure by this. seriously, this article makes no sense. head or tail, nothing, zilch.

Barfi might not be a great cinema, but its an honest cinema, a refreshing change from the great cinemas we see in general 😆 i honestly don't understand how logic, rationality, real or fake comes it to picture. Its a fiction, the director has used his creative freedom to convey something really beautiful. and why is the author accusing the critics of fooling ppl to believe its a great cinema? Don't we have enough sense or brains to make out what is good and what is not?

And why such tamasha over the film being sent for oscars? much worse movies have been sent before, atleast its better than an eklavya or a paheli. Of course i don't mind the debate over mainstream movies vs regional movies getting a chance for selection. But the issue is certainly blown out of proportion 😕

If barfi doesn't come across as sincere, then i don't know the meaning of sincere anymore. then all the 'formula' bollywood movies toh all the more manipulate us, and we get willingly manipulated. and i disagree that they attempted a charlie chaplin with this. Hain? where? i thought this was the love story of two differently abled people, just because there were a few bits of inspiration for hardly two three scenes, the whole movie is ignored. why no one saw how sensitively and beautifully autism was handled in this movie, oh wait was that copied too? all the interactions btw the deaf-mute and autistic protagonist seem as manufactured touchy scenes?

seriously the way the flaws are jolted down by her in chronological manner, it seems like she has seen the movie all over again, just to write a detailed 'critique' of it. i seriously LOLed at the stylish sweater bit? what should he perhaps wear 😆 and calling Jhilmil retarded, either she is a pro understanding autism or plain offensive


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Posted: 12 years ago
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WOW...JUST freaking wow if Barfi is deemed as manipulative then God knows what MNIK is
Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dexterkilaila



Barfi and Heroine are both produced by Ronni Screwala of UTV. Why would they attack one of their own films to hail the other film of their's?That theory is akin to beating the spirit of your first born to elevate the spirit of your second child. Not to mention, Kareena and Ranbir are cousins.


i agree, and sgreed with other on hindi cinema being manipulative to certain extent
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Posted: 12 years ago
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This writer manjula is barking mad.

you can manipulate one person, two persons, hw can you manipulate people

and touch a chord with the hearts of hardened critics as well as todays educated public alike

and sell 100 crores worth of tickets if your work is not genuine?
Basu grew up in those spaces, he has a genuine feeling of love for those places
he has shown, he wanted to share it with the audience, give them a feel of what it
was like those times...he had a story to tell and believed in it, and presented it
to the audience the way he wanted to, the tender moments of youth, and love,
and angst, frustration, sorrow. He was lucky he got just the right people for
the right roles. Just the right music for the movie. Look at the songs, do they
seem like the director told the composer "I want songs which touch the
movie goers heart and makes them cry "?
Or do they seem like a genuine labour of love? Dont they seem just the
right songs for the right sequences> Dont they tell you a story and
make it go forward?
Are there any tacky scenes at all? making fun of deaf and dumb people to
make audience cry for them? or a wicked stepmother ill treating jhilmil
and abusing her for being autistic?
those dances - even a little boy will do it spontaneously in front of his
parents or when he is happy, is the child getting inspired by charlie
chaplin of aeons ago? how many times have we seen a character
die in someones arms? is that character getting influenced from some
other movie? cant others do the same? or is that patented.
the article is rubbish. and the writer is a blockhead. she needs to take
time off from her stuffy office and head to the hills for a quiet retreat.
maybe she will rediscover her soul somewhere in there.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: -ksh-

Actually this point struck me too...why make a film in the 70s and set in Darjeeling? But I think the reason is the director wanted to show a leisurely pace of life when people had time for each other and for the small joys of life. An era when everyone wasnt busy on their phones or iPods. I wonder if a similar film can be accomplished in today's times.

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Basu is Bengali. Darjeeling is in West Bengal. He would hv been the age Barfi is
when he was there. he obviousy loves his memories. Why 70s. i went back there
5 years ago and its the same.
The story you tell best is the story you know best. basu obviously knows the
place and is sharing it lovingly thru pictures. the forest, the fireflies. they are
all there. not imagination.
Little place, hardly any big modern buildings.
Lots of greenery. Big bazaar had just come in. There is ONE movie theatre.
The toy train is still there, Those houses on thehillside
are like that only. wooden structures. steep steps. a mad jumble.
You want to get to Kolkatta? U drive down in a jeep or take a train and head
into theplains where u will see the scenery u saw in the movie. tea gardens on the hillside,
bullock carts in the plains. shanty houses, shacks.
its not difficult to imagine the story unfolding in that place. You can take the story
& superimpose it on any other not so developed place in india. Himachal?
Kulu ?orrissa? shillong
why shoot in the place they shot in? errr...why NOT?😕
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: -ksh-

Barfi! ' Not So Sweet! A Bitter Truth!

'Barfi' is presently being hailed by media and a large no. of people as a great film. It has also been chosen as India's entry for Oscars. Koimoi reader Manjusha Patil airs some opinions that are contrary to the popular opinion and also raises some questions about the overall quality of the film.


I really fail to understand all the hullabaloo and hype around 'Barfi'. It really pains me to see how the so called critics are hailing this absolutely deficient product and fooling people into believing that this is 'great' cinema. Telling people that this illogical, irrational, contrived and completely fake film is a 'masterpiece', is doing a disservice to people as well as to the Indian cinema. To top it all, in keeping with the great Indian tradition of favouritism and unfair practices, the film has been hastily declared as India's entry for Oscars. Now, India's entry for Oscars doesn't mean much but this kind of declaration while the film is still running in the theatres, will definitely boost its business. Just wondering when did 'Barfi's makers filed their entry and how did the Film Federation of India, not only arrived so quickly at the decision but also thought it fit to announce it so hurriedly?

'Barfi' doesn't look like a sincere effort but comes across as a manipulated film. It draws heavily from the world classics and yet displays artistic snobbery. As if the makers are saying, 'See, this is what great films are all about. Look at our intelligence, look at our craft.'

The film is clearly an attempt to make a Charlie Chaplin film for today. Since the director couldn't make a silent film in today's time, he has made his hero deaf and mute. That takes care of all the slapstick comedy and gives a big scope for 'manufacturing' touchy scenes. Now, you are not supposed to ask how does slapstick comedy fit in this film. Or what is the need for it in the first place? The director and actor thought that it would be fun. So, it's there. What does that do to the characterization of Barfi and to the overall texture of the film? Well, it doesn't matter. In fact, applying logic to this film is probably not expected at all. I would like to mention just a few such things in the film that would bother any thinking person.

This guy Barfi is supposed to be 'spreading happiness'. That's what all the narrators in the film are insisting. What exactly is he doing for that? Is he entertaining people? Is he helping someone? Is he doing anything purposefully to bring about happiness to other people? No. But he roams about on his bicycle smiling sweetly and gestures taking out his heart and offering it to the girl. That's 'spreading happiness' for you. The director is repetitively telling you through his narrators that Barfi was spreading happiness. So, you have to believe it.

Poor small town boy Barfi's fashion sense is terrific. He is wearing well cut formals with smart sweaters and a cap that is essentially a fashion statement as that cap is no good for either sun or cold. Nobody in that town dresses like Barfi. But he does because he has to look good and every frame in the film has to look good. He also sports a French beard while on the run. So much realism!

Barfi becomes naive and over smart as per convenience of the writer-director. He is naive enough to think that he can marry Shruti, he is innocent and pure hearted to find love in Jhilmil but he doesn't think twice before planning to loot a bank or to kidnap Jhilmil. We are supposed to believe that he does it out of innocence. Also, Barfi is supposed to be so sharp and intelligent that he remembers the phone number that he happened to have just glanced at, many months ago. He also instinctively knows that Jhilmil is alive and stationed in the orphanage just by looking at the twiddling fingers of the old man.There are many scenes in the film where he behaves like an intelligent, sensitive and sensible man interspersed with some where he behaves like a buffoon or a dim-wit. One person cannot be both Mr Director.One constantly keeps wondering whether to take him seriously or not.

If Barfi is all heart and looking for 'dil ka rishta' and 'true love' etc. how does one explain his falling in love with Shruti? He is after her right from the moment he sees her for the first time. At that time he doesn't even know her. So, what does he fall for? Her looks? Isn't there an inherent contradiction in Barfi's 'love' for Shruti and Jhilmil? One person cannot have so diametrically opposite attitudes towards love at the same time.

There is a certain kind of behaviour you can expect of an intelligent, sensitive and a romantic person. Some scenes suggest that Barfi is all of this. If Barfi is a kind of guy who says "Ghadi 15 minute peeche karta hoon. Samajh lena ki hum mile hi nahi" etc. how do you explain other buffoonery and stupid things that he does? Or maybe that is being innocent and 'spreading happiness'!

If Barfi himself is not dim-witted and is a normal grown up person, he cannot look at Jhilmil with the romantic love in his mind. He will always look at her as someone in constant need of love and care which he may be ready to provide. Any normal person would not look at the girl in Jhilmil's condition as his future wife. Barfi is only deaf and mute. He is capable of thinking like a normal person. Isn't he?


There is absolutely no consistency in Barfi's character. He keeps on doing just about anything that may make an interesting scene or a supposedly 'touchy' scene. Characterisation, be damned!

Other protagonist Jhilmil is supposed to be autistic but many a times comes across as retarded. In either case, somebody like Jhilmil is totally incapable of understanding the emotion of love. Anybody who gives little care and affection is worthy of her trust. A girl like her would also be totally incapable of having feelings of jealousy out of romantic love and of acting on that. In the real world, Shruti would be just another 'Aunty' or an adult for Jhilmil. But our Jhilmil has the license from the writer-director to do what she does.

Jhilmil is shown to have passed Barfi's (weird) loyalty test by not moving away from the falling lamp-post. But she gives the same dazed and dumb look even to the approaching train as she is incapable of thinking about its dangers and acting accordingly. So, how can one say that she didn't move because she was loyal to Barfi?

This retarded/autistic Jhilmil suddenly turns very smart at a convenient time. She not only remembers her orphanage's number but very smartly calls on it and probably tells her whereabouts to the concerned people. Isn't this absurd? In another totally fake scene, Jhilmil angrily tells 'Hanso mat' to some girls who are ridiculing her singing. Given her condition, she is not capable of understanding that they are laughing at her and also of feeling insulted about it.

Also, Shruti's falling for Barfi is totally unconvincing. Somebody who is getting married in just a few days to the man of her choice falls for a poor deaf and mute boy from a small town because he is 'spreading happiness'. Absurd! But let's say 'That's love. It's beyond all logic' and let it be. Next big question is what if Shruti was happy with her husband? She wouldn't have remembered Barfi then. So, just because she is having problems in a relationship with her husband, she thinks Barfi's love is better? What does that say about Shruti?


Then there is this 'ultra-cool' mother who despite being the part of the Indian society of 1970's, takes her daughter to show the man she loved in her younger days. I doubt how many mothers would do that even today. Also there is this pot-bellied police officer who has no other work but to run after Barfi.

These are just some of the glaring flaws in the film. I am sure one can find some more. 'Barfi' is completely illogical and implausible and demands the suspension of logic and disbelief to the hilt. But then, every Bollywood film or a masala film so snootily despised by the fans of Barfi, demands that. So then how is 'Barfi' different from them? All masala films ask you to leave your brains behind and enjoy. If Barfi is asking you to do the same, how is it better or greater than other masala films?

Good and Bad are relative terms and one cannot really dictate what other person should like or not like. If people can find meaning in this film or enjoy it without finding any ' good for them! But hailing it as a masterpiece and great cinema is just too much!

Why is it a masterpiece? Just because media says so? Or because the makers claim so? Or just because the film pretends to do 'something different' no matter how substandard it is.

It's shocking to see how the pose and the pretence can impress people so much. The bitter truth is this 'Barfi' is not all that sweet! And it's high time somebody said so loud and clear.

Manjusha Patil is a media and PR professional and a freelance writer. She tweets at @manjumuses

http://www.koimoi.com/bollywood-news/barfi-not-so-sweet-a-bitter-truth/





I'm baffled. I'm rendered speechless by the amount of offensive nonsense that has been written into this article.

@bold: So the main argument here seems that a character CANNOT be complex, that he/she CANNOT change or GROW with time and that they CANNOT possibly contradict themselves. Because, of course, we as human beings, NEVER do anything complex or contradicting, still like what we did when we were two years old and have never grown out of anything or changed personality preference. Well then.

P.S. And also that we cannot find happiness in small things - that a small smile or a simple hug will NOT spread happiness. Good to know! *nods*

@red: I won't even begin to talk about just how absolutely OFFENSIVE this crap is. A couple of suggestions for the author though.. 1. Look up the definition of "autistic" and see if "retarded" makes the cut for synonyms. 2. Look up the definition of "normal" and see if it's synonymous with "douche". 3. Learn to be more responsible and show more respect to your position as a journalist.

Disgusting.

Autistic individuals are not senile! They are not "retards". And they are definitely not mentally-incapable of thoughts or feelings. They can UNDERSTAND, they can FEEL and they can THINK. Some are smarter than "normal" human beings with heightened intelligence. What they can't do is PROCESS all their emotions in the SAME way as the rest of us so called "normal" individuals - their crime is that their inadequacies are vivid enough to be visible to people (like the esteemed author here) while the rest of us can go on feigning perfection in silence. And that makes people think that THAT is in someway a sign of autistic individuals LACKING intelligence. SUCH a pathetic argument this was! So bloody inappropriate and offensive!

@blue:
Lol.. Glaring? Okay then.. 🤣

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