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@-Aladin- - First of all, you can stop calling me 'Neetz ji' again and again, it really makes me feel like an aunty 😆 That's a long post. I really have to rush now, but I'll reply to it in detail a while later :)
Originally posted by: -Aladin-
Only reason it is working thanks to the SS who made a huge issue and of course, SRK did end up taking advantage of the solution. Our junta is extremely emotional, Neetz ji, so most went and saw it because of the emotional card. Also, SRK commands a huge fan base and SRK-Kajol jodi even bigger. Smart of Karan to mention it is probably their last movie together. If it did not have SRK Kajol, I have no doubts it would have ended up like another Kurbaan.
Let's compare to A Wednesday, another movie based on the theme of terrorism. It was a box office success and was widely appreciated by most critics and audience. Because, it did not resort to cheap tactics and over the top scenes, and our so-called 'dumb' audience was the one that made it a hit.
Originally posted by: minnie.reet
exactly aladin...well said ....with kurban's failure Kjo and party were aware what cld be MNIK's results ,so all this nautanki was done to make movie run only .......thats why now collections r falling badly , controvery ka fayada 2-3 din rehna tha 😉
Originally posted by: scratches-head
This just proves that no matter how much our industry 'evolves', we will always go back to the usual 'masala flicks' at the end of the day. No 'Entertainment factor' = Trashy film. It actually is saddening. Besides, it also depends on how one defines 'Entertainment'. For 90% of the Indian audience, entertainment entails - slapstick humour, cliched romance and dialogues, and basically a feel good factor at the end of the day.
Originally posted by: Sneh-Jiwan
Those who donot like SRK are spreading these rumours !!
Originally posted by: -Aladin-
😆😆 No need to apologize Neetz ji. I love a healthy debate. 😉To a certain degree, you are correct. However, I doubt an item number halfway through a decent movie would save it. Let's see. Billu Barber had item songs by none other than SRK and it was a huge flop. I saw it, it was simple and sweet movie, but his parts were dragged which worked against the movie. Audience whom people love to blame for a failure of a so-called 'intelligent' movie, is actually underestimated. They no longer fall for the item number routines in a movie. Another one that I remember was Krazy 4, with Rakhi Sawant, Hrithik and SRK featuring in item numbers. Flop again. So that logic fails there.You didn't get my point. I didn't say that item numbers are the only thing that make a film work, I just said that they give a boost to the otherwise useless flick. Krazzy 4 may have been a flop, but Rakhi Sawant's number is still played on channels like MTV and [V] Channel. SRK's songs in Billu Barber were huge hits. Marjaani and Love Mera Hit Hit is still all over the radios. Even if these films flopped, I'm pretty sure that atleast 2-3 people must have gone only to see Rakhi Sawant/Deepika Padukone shake their booty, which wouldn't have gone otherwise.I don't agree that the audience doesn't fall for the cheap iterm numbers. Maybe this theory stands correct for the multiplex audience to some extent, but India is still largely dominated by single screens. And all the masses want is some nice hero aur heroine ki kahani, with a few nice thumke wale gane, and a larger-than-life-happy-ending.Most movie makers project a serious movie as the 'most intelligent piece of work' and that is cheating the audience, and if it fails, then rightly so. Cheating no longer works.Since when is 'marketing' termed as 'cheating' ? Not only 'serious film makers', but all film makers as a matter of fact project their films as the next best thing. They're doing their job - Promoting the film. I don't see how the audience is being 'cheated' that way. If they're going to watch the film, they're going by choice, not by compulsion. It's a competetive industry boss, you gotta be one step ahead all the time, be it in terms of marketing, promotion, guest appearances et al, I'm sure you know the drill.Kurbaan had rave reviews, however, it flopped. I saw the movie too, and honestly, there was nothing pathbreaking about it. I have not seen MNIK but from people whose judgement I trust (who happen to have the same taste as me) have not liked the movie, because it is way OTT. They have praised SRK's acting though, and I'm sure he did well for himself. When you are making a movie on a serious issue, then you better do your research and make the movie credible.That's completely subjective, like I said. I respect your opinion and it's your choice whether you want to go watch it or not, but just because you feel that the film isn't good, doesn't mean that it actually isn't good. It's just your POV, doesn't have to be the ultimate decision, right?Only reason it is working thanks to the SS who made a huge issue and of course, SRK did end up taking advantage of the solution. Our junta is extremely emotional, Neetz ji, so most went and saw it because of the emotional card. Also, SRK commands a huge fan base and SRK-Kajol jodi even bigger. Smart of Karan to mention it is probably their last movie together. If it did not have SRK Kajol, I have no doubts it would have ended up like another Kurbaan.First of all, this is a completely different issue and a different debate. I'd love to discuss this at length with you, but I think there already is a different topic for this so we should probably shift base there for the SS-SRK discussion. In this thread, I'll not comment on this topic :)Let's compare to A Wednesday, another movie based on the theme of terrorism. It was a box office success and was widely appreciated by most critics and audience. Because, it did not resort to cheap tactics and over the top scenes, and our so-called 'dumb' audience was the one that made it a hit.It was just average, in terms of it's box office collections, and considering the theme of the film, I think 'average' is equivalent to blockbuster for such films, isn't it ? We can never expect a film like A Wednesday to become a blockbuster like 3 Idiots, and somewhere I think as audience we presume that aisi film ke liye itna hit hona bhi kaafi hai. That is where my question lies. Why ? Why can't a film like A Wednesday break a gazillion records too ?P.S - I didn't call the audience 'dumb'.It annoys me to no end when people just blame the failure of a movie on 'audience'. Why not blame the movie makers. If they made better movies, they would have worked. Fact is that most Hindi cinema movie makers just don't make good movies on a serious subject. If it is a good movie, then they don't market it well. I never even knew there was a movie called "Firaaq" or "Gulaal" out. By the time I found out, it was on DVD and my friends have liked the movie too, which makes me certain that even I'll enjoy them.Again, that's completely subjective. You and I can clash over the quality of serious cinema and the debate will go on. But it's a different ball game. For example I don't think that bollywood is incapable of giving us serious cinema, and you won't agree. But this discussion doesn't pertain to what we're discussing now.@Bold statement: You're contradicting yourself. Earlier you said that the audience shouldn't be 'cheated', and when films like Firaaq and Gulaal promote themselves honestly, you said they didn't market it well. Besides, for films like these to be promoted on a large scale, you need huge producers, huge banners, big names and basically alot of moolah, but the fact of the matter is that none of these small films have that kind of colossal funding. No one wants to fund them. There is simply no 'profitability' is such projects, do you think Vidhu Vinod Chopra would have invested? It's a simple economic equation if you look at it, everything's just a dhandha.I don't think it's a correct assumption that 'even if a movie is bad, it would work if it belongs to the comedy genre'. If that were true, Akshay would'nt have had those flops in a row. It works if it is good movie, and if it is not, then doesn't work. Simple as that.By 'it would work', I don't mean that it would become a smash hit. But a bad film in a comedy genre would do better than a bad film in the terrorism genre. You see what I'm trying to say here ? I'm not comparing comedy to comedy, I'm comparing comedy to other non-commercial genres like terrorism etc.That being said, you may not have liked the movies that did work. We all can't have the same choices. I did love them and most people I know loved them too. So you see, at the end, our choices are subjective. However, I have found (and I believe this to be correct) that most people would love a not-so-good movie, provided it has their favourites and wouldn't like a movie if it does not have their favourites, unless a movie is exceptional. They don't make too many of those, nowadays.One more thing, I don't presume Neetz ji. 😉
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