Elli vs Naag Man! So who was wrong? - Page 12

Originally posted by: SoPunk

I can understand your emotions. I'm sure if you read my post later, you will get to see the context better. Everything in the world is contextual and communication is one of the most contextual thing. If you relate this environment to the worst possible environment and context of a crime, yes you will make a better sense. But here the environment, their relation and words set a context. Yet his words were distasteful I agree and our reaction is OTT

Yes, if that's a conditional dialogue to a boy, like "if you say that or do that, I will ... ". I'm sure that won't make anyone react. Because that has come in the context of discussion.

Yes even father raped daughters, that doesn't mean we should disrupt the environment and structure of a family being OTT.

This is a seventy camera environment and they are all co Stars. I have mention above too, if they weren't friends they couldn't have mitigated the issue and be comfortable so fast, so your consideration to friends can rape is also OTT in these circumstances.

The difference between our POVs is that you think that this should be taken as a joke and are thereby TRIVIALIZING it. I think this verbal violence and credible threat of sexual violence and you think that is OTT.


My point is that when a Girl says:

I don't like the way you are looking at me or talking to me

Stop doing this, because you are making me feel uncomfortable

Stop talking to me like this else I'll slap you

Where does the impression come in that this was a normal conversation between friends and that they were joking? Where does it transpire that the woman was NOT emphatic enough.

This is a gender issue - men do NOT hearwhen a girl says No. They object to being told that they are crossing a line. They think that a girl should always be open to be objectified and be sexually assessed and ogled and can't take it when she says NO.

And the message here is that this is indeed unacceptable and definitely not OTT. Sooner the men realize it the better it would be for society. And please don't give the argument that it is "just" a show. Fact is that while the women are outraged by the incident, the men are also out in equal numbers defending their right to "crack such jokes".

Originally posted by: --GODFATHER--

What I don't understand is -------when a girl says "thappad marungi" , why would any one talk of kissing and tearing her clothes in response? That was most illogical and out of line reply ---/

Even if girl was wrong, he could have simply said main bhi ek thappad marunga ya phir should have scolded her ---@ What is the point in attacking her dignity ?Tearing clothes/forceful kissing is rapist kind mentality - @ Weather he meant or not, that was a cheap thing to say to a woman.

Glad he apologized later without hesitation. / -

👏 this post sums up finely awesome reply dude

Originally posted by: Diva-In-Armor

Arey Purva, she was at fault since she decided she should slap someone who is elder to her , the same elder who didn't hesitate to pass some below the belt comments she didn't like. I mean no matter what elders say, they are always right and they deserve the respect for being 60 some buddha even if it means hearing such lewd remarks from the same so called elder. How dare she say she will slap him who is so much more elder to her. Not done, it's the girls fault for disrespecting her elder and that's how it's Elli fault

🤔 ya u r right

People have this tendency to dilute the issue by calling it OTT. Even those who raise their voice or object are made to feel apologetic of their behavior by calling it OTT. Eve teasing and rape aren't mutually exclusive, where one has no co-relation with another. But if someone decides to take a stand and discuss out the issue, she is called a feminist or their reaction OTT. Forget about Elli or Armaan or their dynamics, but considering the use of such lewd remarks on a National TV deemed to be inappropriate by a sector of people, why are they getting slammed by calling their reaction OTT. This is the reason which has rampant eve teasing in india. "Oh it was only a joke, oh they are friends, oh such remarks don't mean shit if they haven't been executed, oh he didn't mean it, oh his ego was hurt, oh he lost temper, oh he apologized, oh it's their personal matter" etc etc etc. It call comes down to excuses, excuses and more excuses. Wrong is wrong, so instead of calling it wrong and closing the chapter, people are trying to debate whether Armaan was that guilty or if Pratz was even more guiltier or if Elli was at fault as well. Huhhh

A doubt. Are there two Purva? The other day I was going back and forth with someone who put the blame on the girl too.

Originally posted by: axeion

What a pity... Some posts and the ideology of people on this forum is so pathetic that I can't help but feel pity. Whosoever compared men to dogs was so right to a great extent (minus the loyalty part). Just how your puppy doesn't understand the meaning of stop during training days, men don't either. Pretty face that says no/stop with a smile also means a no/stop... It doesn't mean "Ohh, I'm enjoying ur shit of a joke."

Actually scratch all that. Puppies are cute, men aren't. Armaan was an asshole in the show. No decent man would use such words for a woman that he's just met 2-3 days ago... f**k that kind of jokes are unacceptable even among good friends. Pity the TM's level of thinking n integrity. 🤢

Originally posted by: NigelMolesworth

A doubt. Are there two Purva? The other day I was going back and forth with someone who put the blame on the girl too.

Originally posted by: ramjaane

http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/ENT-bigg-boss-7-was-armaan-kohli-sexually-harassing-elli-avaram-as-other-contestants-4381618-PHO.html?seq=1

1. You are blaming Ellie that why she did not react in that situation the way you like . The thing is people react differently as per their personality , situation, the environment they stay , the group they face. We are not behavior expert that we will say she should behave in that situation this way or that way , as i said many people just smile when they face humiliation , if you look at your own view point you will how happy she is. First go through the event of situation from the above slides then only you understand she reacted to that situation having language barrier, dealing with people having different socio cultural background. She react to the situation in a emotional way rather than confrontational way.

2. First come out from this OTT , everyone having a healthy debate . I said earlier that : ,Clearly the lewd comment drag towards a most pathetic comment which bluntly indicating rape . . By the way what other meaning you are deriving from this statement bring a new dress ? dislike your costume or what :

jo thappad mereko maarte hai, mai ya toh pappi le leta hu, ya kapde phaad deta hu"

3. By the way we are criticizing his behavior , act and comment , weather it is conditional or not it does not matter. What is this single mother , kid etc.? if you are indicating about last year Urvashi than i was the critics in last season among very few. It dont require to condemn a wrong thing of any bias or past reference.

Originally posted by: Diva-In-Armor

People have this tendency to dilute the issue by calling it OTT. Even those who raise their voice or object are made to feel apologetic of their behavior by calling it OTT. Eve teasing and rape aren't something which are mutually exclusive, where one has no co-relation what so ever with another. But if someone decides to take a stand and discuss out the issue, she is called a feminist or their reaction OTT. Forget about Elli or Armaan or their dynamics, but considering the use of such lewd remarks on a National TV deemed to be inappropriate by a sector of people, why are they getting slammed by calling their reaction OTT. This is the reason which has rampant eve teasing in india. "Oh it was only a joke, oh they are friends, oh such remarks don't mean shit if they haven't been executed, oh he didn't mean it, oh his ego was hurt, oh he lost temper, oh he apologized, oh it's their personal matter" etc etc etc. It call comes down to excuses, excuses and more excuses. Wrong is wrong, so instead of calling it wrong and closing the chapter, people are trying to debate whether Armaan was that guilty or if Pratz was even more guiltier or if Elli was at fault as well. Huhhh