Shocking - Harassment By Pratik - Page 4

Originally posted by: loveandhope9204

I am pretty sure he'll put his - into anything. He seems that kind, sorry.

But honestly? he seems desperate. Looks like perverted entertainment from any place is cool for him.

Again --- his orientation does not matter and this was not entertainment (perverted or otherwise)..... It was harassment.. plain and simple :) lot's of his other acts are desperation, no doubt. This is sadly in a different category...

Originally posted by: KJasoosChulbulP

Again --- his orientation does not matter and this was not entertainment (perverted or otherwise)..... It was harassment.. plain and simple :) lot's of his other acts are desperation, no doubt. This is sadly in a different category...

Not taking away from the fact that this was ABSOLUTELY, 100% harassment, yes.

Originally posted by: KJasoosChulbulP

Why would viewers want anyone to get hurt? This is exactly the point... There is nothing likely about this.. there is no doubt about it... the perpetrator has admitted it, the HMs too have ... and apology does not cut it.... Harassment is Harassment ..... It does not matter whether it takes place on BB or with newsreaders. It's worse that it happens on BB as its actually captured on camera and is known to the team immediately upon it happening. Hence there is no need for anyone to react or other HMs or even the victim to raise it.... thats a known and acceptable standard..

I guess, we in the western world, have a different standard. Here we believe in a zero-tolerance policy..

I have seen people commenting that they are glad Karan pushed Pratik and wished he got hurt or punished so that did not come out of nowhere. Go to any Pratik related forum and you will see these comments.

"No need for anyone to react"? How does that make sense, someone being harassed and asking the person to stop but no one will do anything until WKV. That's cowardice. Housemates genuinely didn't see it as that otherwise i am sure they would have spoken up like with Afsana.

Rajiv did voice though, to stop etc. and no one did shit. Pratik later went and apologized. Don't know what everyone wants.

Not "with newsreaders", people are being made aware through news or BB it's different.

Originally posted by: -Halo00-

I have seen people commenting that they are glad Karan pushed Pratik and wished he got hurt or punished so that did not come out of nowhere. Go to any Pratik related forum and you will see these comments.

"No need for anyone to react"? How does that make sense, someone being harassed and asking the person to stop but no one will do anything until WKV. That's cowardice. Housemates genuinely didn't see it as that otherwise i am sure they would have spoken up like with Afsana.

Rajiv did voice though, to stop etc. and no one did shit. Pratik later went and apologized. Don't know what everyone wants.

Not "with newsreaders", people are being made aware through news or BB it's different.

see - I don’t even wanna go there. Where after harrasment. Pratik and Rajiv had a fight. Rajiv said don’t touch me and pratik repeatedly touched him. Again. NO means NO !! But speaking of that takes away from this topic. And btw. This behavior too was shown on LF and is also harrasment.

And I ageee. This was not a topic for wkv. This should have been immediate eviction. Upon the act commitment.. hence as I said. Here in western world. We have something called zero tolerance policy. This act wouldn’t be waited to be acted upon or even called out by other HMs. And it’s also on camera about Rajiv speaking to teja and saying pratik did this not one. Not twice. But thrice and then did some more.

If you want to keep comparing to other peoples acts as a way to defend pratik ka clear harassment that he himself admitted to … what more can I say….. pratik admits. He is defended. Reminds of when neha was trolled and pratik was praised for the same act they both were part of.

hopefully standards in India rise above fans defense to actual punishment that suits the acts…..

Originally posted by: KJasoosChulbulP

see - I don’t even wanna go there. Where after harrasment. Pratik and Rajiv had a fight. Rajiv said don’t touch me and pratik repeatedly touched him. Again. NO means NO !! But speaking of that takes away from this topic. And btw. This behavior too was shown on LF and is also harrasment.

And I ageee. This was not a topic for wkv. This should have been immediate eviction. Upon the act commitment.. hence as I said. Here in western world. We have something called zero tolerance policy. This act wouldn’t be waited to be acted upon or even called out by other HMs. And it’s also on camera about Rajiv speaking to teja and saying pratik did this not one. Not twice. But thrice and then did some more.

If you want to keep comparing to other peoples acts as a way to defend pratik ka clear harassment that he himself admitted to … what more can I say….. pratik admits. He is defended. Reminds of when neha was trolled and pratik was praised for the same act they both were part of.

hopefully standards in India rise above fans defense to actual punishment that suits the acts…..

I am not defending him - i said he made a mistake without bad intentions but people like to escalate to sexual harassment. They joke and Pratik annoys him all the time. Pratik may not have realized but now he knows he crossed a line and won’t repeat it. Rajiv is not threatened by him. What more do you guys want?

My point is if you truly feel it is sexual harassment why do you keep watching? Aren’t you also supporting BB’s lack of decision? Instead everyone keeps typing here but still watch so it’s not that serious?

Are you sure western world has zero tolerance? We wouldn’t have Harvey Weinsteins in this world otherwise. Or all those stories about star footballers getting away with much more.

I agree Pratik should have been trolled with Neha but let’s not forget she was the one married, not him.

Originally posted by: SP2684

It’s funny - I’m appalled, but not really surprised that the uproar and sympathy is for the doer - Pratik, and not the one at the receiving end - Rajiv.

It’s an unfortunate staple on this show - jiske zyaada fans - usko zyaada sympathy. No matter what. And as I said - it’s appalling.

And the comparisons are utterly juvenile - nothing anyone has engaged in there - jokes, camaraderie, provocation, property destruction, violence in tasks - is comparable to homophobic mocking and harassment. Because the latter are not friendly, and neither are they spur of the moment things that come out as a result of provocation and or a heated situation - they’re intentional. Brought about by a mindset.

And it pissed me off to no end when he wouldn’t even accept initially the shit he did - only jumping to apologising when he realized Sallu was not going to let it go. And when the likes of Pratik, Vishal and Nishant, and then later Karan and Shamita as well - kept trying to dilute the issue by stressing ke Pratik ka “intention” nahi tha. Trying to make it seem ke it came across wrong but wasn’t meant to be. Wtf? I’d like someone to ask these people - how on earth does one make fun of another’s sexuality like this - without intention?

And I’d be grateful if Pratik would therefore STFU with his whole “‘mera tumhe hurt karne ka intention genuinely nahi tha, mera woh meaning genuinely nahi tha, blah blah blah”. Because Pratik has been an adult for quite some time now - and if he doesn’t know by now that homophobic harassment is hurtful, then I don’t know what to say. And then he has the nerve to contend ke others don’t own up to their actions.

What this has done, more than anything else - is shown viewers that Pratik isn’t the sweet little innocent that can be annoying but never truly shitty. Viewers other than his fans of course.

Why does Pratik HAVE to be homophobic? If someone uses a racial slur but does not realize the gravity of it until someone else points it out, is that also racist? There are people who grow up with racial, homophobic slurs casually used as insults against everyone rather than the intended purpose. These people aren't racist or homophobic but rather lack the awareness/education of the gravity of their actions and words. These are adults and it comes down to upbringing. Not everyone is as enlightened as people in this forum.

Regarding making fun of sexuality, Pratik wasn't in those jokes alone so all including Karan, Umar and whoever should also be based by forum and yet I hear nothing. The main thing he did that went overboard was the poking. And Pratik apologized to Rajiv PRIOR to WKV and again only on WKV, he just wanted to point out his intentions.

You can't give a pass to violence as it a result of "heated" moment; at that moment person intended to inflict harm on another. A lot of the times, housemates aren't resorting to violence to defend themselves either. Violence is also brought about by a person's mindset. It is telling of how that person deals with aggression. We only ever see the boys fight but i have never seen the girls brawl. Why? They don't have that mindset, the men do. They even keep threatening it. And violence has been happening over and over, so it's definitely not a once-off.

When someone makes a mistake and recognizes it, rather than slapping on labels maybe we should take the chance to educate and raise awareness. People here feel more threatened than Rajiv.

Originally posted by: -Halo00-

I am not defending him - i said he made a mistake without bad intentions but people like to escalate to sexual harassment. They joke and Pratik annoys him all the time. Pratik may not have realized but now he knows he crossed a line and won’t repeat it. Rajiv is not threatened by him. What more do you guys want?

My point is if you truly feel it is sexual harassment why do you keep watching? Aren’t you also supporting BB’s lack of decision? Instead everyone keeps typing here but still watch so it’s not that serious?

Are you sure western world has zero tolerance? We wouldn’t have Harvey Weinsteins in this world otherwise. Or all those stories about star footballers getting away with much more.

I agree Pratik should have been trolled with Neha but let’s not forget she was the one married, not him.

exactly. Hence this topic is even more imp. And yup. We do have zero tolerance here. U see in those situations. We didn’t know as celebs did not come out. I am so glad you brought it out. As what you mentioned is a clear example of what ? Even v famous and rich celebs are not comfortable in brining out such harrasment. And you expect Rajiv to be ?

Let me explain what Zero tolerance means - it means once it’s proven it happened. There is simply one action. Termination. There is no room for proving intention. Apology. Etc.

here we have .. action / admission. And proof on camera. And we saw how he felt on his convo with teja on camera. So it’s not like the victim said nothing.

Hence he has to be evicted. 🙏🏻🙏🏻 …

p.s. one didn’t stop watching movies and news because of what happened with Weinstein and Fox News - did we ? 🙏🏻🙏🏻

And if you still wanna defend pratik - we will simply agree to disagree 🙏🏻🙏🏻 Sorry if you feel such acts are even defendable. Perhaps India will get to western world standards on this in another decade or two. As I said. I didn’t know there was this large a gap.

Originally posted by: -Halo00-

Why does Pratik HAVE to be homophobic? If someone uses a racial slur but does not realize the gravity of it until someone else points it out, is that also racist? There are people who grow up with racial, homophobic slurs casually used as insults against everyone rather than the intended purpose. These people aren't racist or homophobic but rather lack the awareness/education of the gravity of their actions and words. These are adults and it comes down to upbringing. Not everyone is as enlightened as people in this forum.

Regarding making fun of sexuality, Pratik wasn't in those jokes alone so all including Karan, Umar and whoever should also be based by forum and yet I hear nothing. The main thing he did that went overboard was the poking. And Pratik apologized to Rajiv PRIOR to WKV and again only on WKV, he just wanted to point out his intentions.

You can't give a pass to violence as it a result of "heated" moment; at that moment person intended to inflict harm on another. A lot of the times, housemates aren't resorting to violence to defend themselves either. Violence is also brought about by a person's mindset. It is telling of how that person deals with aggression. We only ever see the boys fight but i have never seen the girls brawl. Why? They don't have that mindset, the men do. They even keep threatening it. And violence has been happening over and over, so it's definitely not a once-off.

When someone makes a mistake and recognizes it, rather than slapping on labels maybe we should take the chance to educate and raise awareness. People here feel more threatened than Rajiv.

I did bash every single person that was engaging in or even laughing at such jokes on Rajiv, and in particular - not clocking the abject misery on his face when they were doing so.

Pratik went overboard - not just with the jokes verbally, but with that nasty enactment of shoving a veggie up Rajiv’s butt. Which no one else did - only Pratik. And he did it repeatedly. Same with the jokes, same with the touching - he continued even though Rajiv said no.

Violence in a task is brought about by mindset you say. Ok - I’ll buy that. So all of those that have gotten physical in tasks are violent people by nature. Intentionally. But Pratik’s repeated behaviour and actions in this are motivated by a simple lack of awareness. It’s all unintentional - on his part? No dice.

The content of the jokes matters. The nature of the physical crap Pratik pulled with Rajiv matters. And it’s homophobic. He may not be the only one there who’s homophobic - but his actions tell me that he certainly is among that number. They tell you something different, but I don’t share that opinion.

And even if he wasn’t - as an adult, Pratik shouldn’t need anyone to tell him that at the very least, that veggie shoving enactment he pulled - multiple times - is not funny. It’s not ok to do that to anyone. Homophobic or not - in my book, that is harassment. That is a definite line crossed, and he shouldn’t have needed anyone to tell him that. Especially when he gets triggered by the slightest thing said to him, but doesn’t think others are owed that courtesy.

Pratik has gotten several chances to make mistakes and be given the benefit of the doubt as regards his intentions. I gave him that BOD in the bathroom latch incident myself - that he didn’t intend to perv, he simply doesn’t realize boundaries. But everything cannot be excused with intention nahi tha. This certainly cannot IMO. He bullied, he crossed lines - there was nothing that induced him to do this - he chose to. Intention na hone ka sawaal hi nahi yahaan. His choice - his ownership.

Originally posted by: KJasoosChulbulP

exactly. Hence this topic is even more imp. And yup. We do have zero tolerance here. U see in those situations. We didn’t know as celebs did not come out. I am so glad you brought it out. As what you mentioned is a clear example of what ? Even v famous and rich celebs are not comfortable in brining out such harrasment. And you expect Rajiv to be ?

Let me explain what Zero tolerance means - it means once it’s proven it happened. There is simply one action. Termination. There is no room for proving intention. Apology. Etc.

here we have .. action / admission. And proof on camera. And we saw how he felt on his convo with teja on camera. So it’s not like the victim said nothing.

Hence he has to be evicted. 🙏🏻🙏🏻 …

p.s. one didn’t stop watching movies and news because of what happened with Weinstein and Fox News - did we ? 🙏🏻🙏🏻

And if you still wanna defend pratik - we will simply agree to disagree 🙏🏻🙏🏻 Sorry if you feel such acts are even defendable. Perhaps India will get to western world standards on this in another decade or two. As I said. I didn’t know there was this large a gap.

No the West doesn't have zero tolerance, the Weinstein thing is a prime example. People chose to ignore that bring it up. The world isn't just made of the average person. Meryl Streep still getting roles and she called Weinstein a "God". What about Cardi B who used to drug men? Tekashi 6ix9ine shad a sex video of an underage child. People are still their fans. How about Louis CK, people are divided in their opinion on him. No one in the public cared about Weinstein enough (not a public face), and he got jailed when he didn't matter anymore.

And housemates were aware of Rajiv's issues and HE DID SPEAK UP. He told Tejaswi, remember? And Pratik apologized to him before WKV because he made it known.

When we found about Weinstein, he was already fired. So your point is moot. Keep absolving yourself of responsibility by saying it doesn't matter if you continue to watch. If you had zero tolerance, you would have because people's boycotting of the show can put pressure on the BB staff to evict him. Clearly, you have some tolerance to continue watching it with a sexual abuser inside.

The West isn't some paradise where shit doesn't happen. But to make something from a mistake to crime is very West-esque. Let's not give people a chance for redemption. Rajiv isn't as scarred by what happened as some people here are.

Originally posted by: -Halo00-

No the West doesn't have zero tolerance, the Weinstein thing is a prime example. People chose to ignore that bring it up. The world isn't just made of the average person. Meryl Streep still getting roles and she called Weinstein a "God". What about Cardi B who used to drug men? Tekashi 6ix9ine shad a sex video of an underage child. People are still their fans. How about Louis CK, people are divided in their opinion on him. No one in the public cared about Weinstein enough (not a public face), and he got jailed when he didn't matter anymore.

And housemates were aware of Rajiv's issues and HE DID SPEAK UP. He told Tejaswi, remember? And Pratik apologized to him before WKV because he made it known.

When we found about Weinstein, he was already fired. So your point is moot. Keep absolving yourself of responsibility by saying it doesn't matter if you continue to watch. If you had zero tolerance, you would have because people's boycotting of the show can put pressure on the BB staff to evict him. Clearly, you have some tolerance to continue watching it with a sexual abuser inside.

The West isn't some paradise where shit doesn't happen. But to make something from a mistake to crime is very West-esque. Let's not give people a chance for redemption. Rajiv isn't as scarred by what happened as some people here are.

zero tolerance doesn’t mean shit doesn’t happen. It’s what happens after we find out that shit happened 😂😂🥺🥺. Not surprising that you don’t get this either. As you don’t get that the abuse happened and you think apology is enough .,. At least that is some progress from first saying there wasn’t even abuse. As I said. I will give it a decade or two to catch up ….