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Posted: 11 years ago
#11
Like Shabaz Khan said its 80% fiction and 20% truth.
Lets look at what was truth
Akbar was an outside invader-yes they were considered outsider although after Jehangir they became indians as he was born in india to an indian mother
Akbar was after princess phool - no, not possible. Akbar was a casanova but not at this young age. He was a casanova from age of 21-30 may be where he married too many woman. But majority of these marriages were political. He wanted loyalty of the kings so best way was to marry their daughters/sisters. Though we cannot say that he lusted after all those princesses he married it was politics majority times. But definetly Phool was never his interest because he married her sister Rukmavati who was one of his favourite wives and given lots of powers to build gardens, palaces etc
Akbar and Pratap met as kids- completely wrong
Pratap defeated Akbar in war-
Chittor war
No because they never met in any war field. When Akbar was 25 years and Pratap 27 years in 1567 Akbar attacked Chittorgarh fort. But Udai Singh was already told in advance by Shakti Singh who worked in Akbar's durbar and he left the fort mindway with his entire family to Aravalli hills in between the seige. Later on Akbar defeated them suffered huge loss of mughal soldiers ordered killing of 30,000 civilans inside fort
Haldighatti war
Akbar had an epilytic attack some months before the Haldighatti attack. Hence Man Singh and Salim who was 7 years old was sent to that battle. So Akbar never met Pratap here too.
After Haldighatti whatever war occured usually Salim or later on his other two sons(when Salim was in bhagawat) to face Pratap/Amar Singh. So historically Akbar and Pratap never met in battle field. Not because both were scared to face each other but circumstances only.
Akbar openly quoted in his court that no oneis more patriot to hindustan in india than pratap
Pratap also told he had no personal grudge on Akbar except that he wanted to rule independently
Like in previous post i had told Akbar, Pratap and Mahmood Shah were all married to Rao Maldeo daughters namely Rukmavati Lal baisa, Phool Kunwar and Lal Baiji respectively.
Akbar's fight was to expand his kingdom and free trade routes in central asia that ran through aravalli hills. He also had a personal grudge may be that Humayun defetaed Bahadur Shah of Gujarat and returned kingdom to Vikramaditya/Udai Singh but they considered him as purposely coming late to help them. But in history Humayun lost a lot because of helping chittorgarh his nobels, brothers all considered him as traitor for helping hindus and they joined with Sher Shah suri defetaed him and he had to run pillar to post 15 years to save his life and his daugghter kidnapped and killed by Sher shah suri etc. I already wrote a post on that long back.So Akbar definetly had personal grudge that he made almost 23 wars on Mewar. They won majority but could never capture/kill Pratap/Amar Singh ever. It is said on death bed Akbar asked Salim to defeat Mewar.
Maharana also fought for freedom to remain king and for personal reason. Babur had defeated Rana Sangha and off course Rani Karnavati Jauhar. But i think whatever reason for delay from Humayun atleast he helped Vikramaditya become king again. He saved decimation of Chittor. Because if Humayun had not come and defetaed Bahadur Shah(Humayu killed him pursuing him till Gujarat) Pratap could not be king. The Mewar Suryavanshi family rule would have come to an end most probably because all Rajputs would never help Mewar. So atleast for that they should be thankful and not consider Humayun as having caused Karnavati's death. What Humayun did was unprecedented in those times a mughal emperor fighting muslim ruler to help an hindu kingdom/king. And that too his father Babar and Karnavati's husband Rana Sangha fought wars still because she sent a letter of help he left war in deccan and came to Chittor to help early or late does not matter. Humayun could have taken that kingdom himself as he defetaed Bahadur Shah. Any other king even Rajputh kings would have kept Mewar for themselves not given it to next heir that too in 15th century. So humayun was not all that bad when you read real history. And imagine what all pressure he must have faced to not help Mewar still disregarding his own future he helped. This is what Akabr must also have felt because his father his family lost a lot in life in return for the help and still consider one who helped as traitor and blame on him.
So this enemity is more a personal one atleast from Akabr's side if not Pratap's
This show has made mockery of these facts in history and instead making an emperor an a king fight after a princess. Is this some Hellen of Troy??? or Maharana Pratap????
Edited by myviewprem - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: meghumonu

enough is enough is i am daily viewer of mahrana pratap but for last 2 3 months the show is making joke of history and today is the limit pehle unho ne akbar or pratap ko milwaya ek dusre se le kin sach to yeh hai ki woh dono kabhi mile hi nahi thik hai man bhi liya ki yeh TRP ke khatir kiya ja raha hai par yeh sab kya akbar ke character ko aise portray kyu kiya ja raha hai!! akbar bohut cruel or merciless tha jawani mai sahi hai [ar woh kabhi bhi 'darr' ki sharukh khan ki tarah stalker nahi tha sirf pratap ko ucha dikhane ke liye yeh log bakwas pe bakwas dikhaye ja raha hai!! pratap akbar se sword fight aur hand to hand mai zyada mahir hai iska koi proof nahi hai!! history sab jante hai ki akbar archery spear fighting hand to hand combat aur sword fight ka master tha le kin yeh kahi nahi likha hai ki woh pratap se hara tha history ko distort kiya ja raha hai aise!! as a history student i can't accept it!! sach to yeh hai ki akbar ek bohut accha strategist tha jisne apne 90% battles apne strategy ke liye jite hai!! agar pratap itne hi beer yoddha hai jab akbar ne chittor pe hamla kiya tha 1567 pe tab apne bap ke sath bhaga kyu tha!! lada kyu nahi!! le kin mai janta hu akbar ko bura dikhane ke liye yeh log fir se aise hi kuch dikhaenge ki pratap ko zor zabardasti chittor se le jaya gaya woh bhagna nahi chahta tha!!😡 akbar and pratap both are legends!! but iska matlab yeh nahi hai ki pratap akbar se aache the tab to mai yehi keh sakta hu akbar pratap se aache the kyu ki akbar ne pratap ko jang me haraya uska gawa hai proof hai le kin pratap ne haraya akbar ko aise koi proof nahi hai!!


r u seroulsy ? in 1567 time pratap was not king if his father says they have to move to udipur they have too. it was US call. that war was very bloody and i bate MP CVs are going to show it. do you have any idea how many people died just because of akbars high ambitions.


why its hurting people when they are showing true color of akba? he was like this till his 40s he learn from his mistakes. in his earlier days he was not great. be became The great akbar later.

will you start praying British with respect saying ahaha they build nice rail system to india? Big film start of famous TV actor is foing Akbars role that does not make Akbar mahan. need to read history with open heart dear.


with that i am not saying in MP everything is 100% historical but if you go back in see 1558 mugal were badly defeated in rajputana. then akbar did change his strategy and because of that now BK will go out. this above information is available on net.





Edited by bitblue - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@Bitblue , And even if Its uday singh's call, Its not cowardice becoz they are outnumbered and the royal family NEED TO ESCAPE becoz they cannot risk destruction of the lineage. to carry out the struggle . Considering that Akbar never fought in the battles himself and risk his life ...well , i guess nobody should blame pratap and his family for this . I actually believe that Pratap probably opposed to this escape plan. but an order is an order. It must be very hard for him , running away and watch his beloved fort burn from afar . It cannot be easy for anyone, specially someone like pratap
Edited by mayalnee - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Like any other great ruler Akbar learned as he ruled. As a young man he was ambitious and bloodthirsty to an extent. He put down rebellions and was cruel to those he defeated. As he aged, and married into other cultures/expanded his court, he tempered himself and started using guile/honey to attract people/establish his Kingdom.
This show is not historically accurate in any way shape or form. But I think this Akbar, though shown to be a stalker/half way nuits, does have some of the qualities the other Akbar did. But don't watch this show as a historical show. Read a book for accuracy.
A great King does not have to be a good man. In fact, history shows that great kings were rarely good men.
Edited by apolloartemis - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: mayalnee

@Bitblue , And even if Its uday singh's call, Its not cowardice becoz they are outnumbered and the royal family NEED TO ESCAPE becoz they cannot risk destruction of the lineage. to carry out the struggle . Considering that Akbar never fought in the battles himself and risk his life ...well , i guess nobody should blame pratap and his family for this . I actually believe that Pratap probably opposed to this escape plan. but an order is an order. It must be very hard for him , running away and watch his beloved fort burn from afar . It cannot be easy for anyone, specially someone like pratap

Nothing offense to MP or Akbar
But i think if i am king/prince and people are believing in my protection and staying in my kingdom, fort i will be last man alive walking out not first whether to save my lineage or not. Because a king is a father and citizens his children. No father can leave his children to die and leave to continue his lineage. A real father/king will die for his citizens not leave them defenseless and leave. And any king who does that Akbar/MP/Udai Singh etc shall not deserve a great status in such situation.
Its like if india(or any country) is at war and our PM/President run off to foreign country to save their life leaving citizens to face death in enemy hand can that ever happen???
And Udai Singh family would not wipe out really. Shakti Singh/Sagar etc were in agra serving Akbar. So their family would not have ended logically if the royal family die in war.
You know why a king lives in so much luxury why a head of state has so many privileges because he risk his life first to save citizens. So we citizens work hard and give our money to king/head of state so he lives in luxury because he risk his life for us in dire situations.
Edited by myviewprem - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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And Udai Singh family would not wipe out really. Shakti Singh/Sagar etc were in agra serving Akbar. So their family would not have ended logically if the royal family die in war.

As per my knowledge US never counted Shakti Singh/Sagar his kids as they joined akabr. Shakti Singh is already out of family as he behaved bad. he is now shakavat rajput.
Edited by bitblue - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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r u seroulsy ? in 1567 time pratap was not king if his father says they have to move to udipur they have too. it was US call. that war was very bloody and i bate MP CVs are going to show it. do you have any idea how many people died just because of akbars high ambitions.


why its hurting people when they are showing true color of akba? he was like this till his 40s he learn from his mistakes. in his earlier days he was not great. be became The great akbar later.

will you start praying British with respect saying ahaha they build nice rail system to india? Big film start of famous TV actor is foing Akbars role that does not make Akbar mahan. need to read history with open heart dear.


with that i am not saying in MP everything is 100% historical but if you go back in see 1558 mugal were badly defeated in rajputana. then akbar did change his strategy and because of that now BK will go out. this above information is available on net.

There is a difference between mughal and british
Mughal settled in india. Its like NRIs staying in US and beccome US citizens after one generation. Now some emperors were bad and cruel. In any system that happens. They did not loot our waelth and take to outside country instead stayed here and many followed indian culture/customs and married indians.
Aryans themselves were not indians but now majority indians/indian continent are Aryans. So we cannot say they are invaders and non indians. They are indians/asians after one generation. Majority US citizens are not native Americans. Its red indians only who are real americans rest all are invaders/outsiders in that case. Aborigines are native of australia not the majority citizens there. But the fact of life is humans migrate and live wherever they find money/work/like all over world.
British never stayed here they only loot and send all gold/money etc to Britain to their Queen. Queen never came and stayed here, Queen never defended our country when attacked by enemy, Queen would ruthlessly supress we cannot complain whatever they say we have to follow where as any king/emperor whether Mughal/Lodhi etc cannot do that as he stays here only. If citizen revolt he can get killed. That is one difference between Mughal and Britishers.
Edited by myviewprem - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: bitblue

And Udai Singh family would not wipe out really. Shakti Singh/Sagar etc were in agra serving Akbar. So their family would not have ended logically if the royal family die in war.

As per my knowledge US never counted Shakti Singh/Sagar his kids as they joined akabr. Shakti Singh is already out of family as he behaved bad. he is now shakavat rajput.

Its US discrimination to batyani that made all his children away from him
Shakti Singh was one who came and told US about Akbar plan in 1567 and hence US and family escaped
Shakti Singh saved Pratap in battle of haldighatti
Just by saying "you are not my son" world will not stop considering someone as son or daughter that is simple fact of life.
Akbar also banished Salim from kingdom and told him he is not son, but citizens always consider him crown prince, Jehangir told Shah jahan you are not my son but citizens always consider him prince. Same for Udai Singh whatever he says for world for citizens they are his sons and his children their lineage. World and society does not work on orders of kings/fathers or sons.
Edited by myviewprem - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: myviewprem


r u seroulsy ? in 1567 time pratap was not king if his father says they have to move to udipur they have too. it was US call. that war was very bloody and i bate MP CVs are going to show it. do you have any idea how many people died just because of akbars high ambitions.


why its hurting people when they are showing true color of akba? he was like this till his 40s he learn from his mistakes. in his earlier days he was not great. be became The great akbar later.

will you start praying British with respect saying ahaha they build nice rail system to india? Big film start of famous TV actor is foing Akbars role that does not make Akbar mahan. need to read history with open heart dear.


with that i am not saying in MP everything is 100% historical but if you go back in see 1558 mugal were badly defeated in rajputana. then akbar did change his strategy and because of that now BK will go out. this above information is available on net.

There is a difference between mughal and british
Mughal settled in india. Its like NRIs staying in US and beccome US citizens after one generation. Now some emperors were bad and cruel. In any system that happens. They did not loot our waelth and take to outside country instead stayed here and many followed indian culture/customs and married indians.
Aryans themselves were not indians but now majority indians/indian continent are Aryans. So we cannot say they are invaders and non indians. They are indians/asians after one generation. Majority US citizens are not native Americans. Its red indians only who are real americans rest all are invaders/outsiders in that case. Aborigines are native of australia not the majority citizens there. But the fact of life is humans migrate and live wherever they find money/work/like all over world.
British never stayed here they only loot and send all gold/money etc to Britain to their Queen. Queen never came and stayed here, Queen never defended our country when attacked by enemy, Queen would ruthlessly supress we cannot complain whatever they say we have to follow where as any king/emperor whether Mughal/Lodhi etc cannot do that as he stays here only. If citizen revolt he can get killed. That is one difference between Mughal and Britishers.

how about you win 👏 my thinking is different then yours.😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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kisne kaha akbar ne khud nahi lada jung pe!! tumne uske gujarat campaign rajputana campaign ke bare mai nahi pada bengal campaign mai bhi usne kafi had tak lara tha!! aur haldighati pass ke ladai mai aklbar pehle maan singh ke sena ko age bheja tha aur piche reinforcement ke sath a riya use pohuchne mai sirf ek din lagta le kin akbar ne socha tha ki pratap ko ek din mai harana impossible hai le kin wohi hua ek din mai hi mahan pratap shikast kha gaye!! aur rajput o ka to riti rewaz hai jung chorke nahi bhag kar ladne ka jiske upar unka garv hai!! le kin kya hua chittogarh ki jung mai aur haldighati ke jung mai har ke bhagna para na jan bachane ke liye!! huh!! yeh kahi nahi likha hai ki akbar pratap se amne samne ki jung mai jeet nahi payega!! kahi nahi likha hai!! sirf pratap ki ucha dikha ne ke liye ek legendary ruler ko character kiu butcher karne ki zarurat nahi hai!! kya bakwas!!😡😡 agar akbar cassanova hai to pratap kya hai sirf ek se zyada bibi rehne se koi cassanova nahi ban jata us waqt mai to pratap ka bhi 14 bibi tha to kya wo bhi cassanova tha!!

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