degradation of history - Page 5

Originally posted by: Intrepida

i am sorry if post hurt you or anyone. That was not my intention.

But i have read in text book that Rana Sangha invited Babar to fight first battle of panipat at Khanwa but Babar decided to stay in india only instead of returning back with loot.

I googled and found many sites saying same thing

Here is one such quote from net

Battle of Khanwa

Some noted historians aver that Sanga invited Babur to attack Ibrahim Lodi and that is true,promising his support for the undertaking. In April 1526, Babur defeated Lodi at the First Battle of Panipat. However, instead of following the expected pattern of gathering booty and then returning home, thereby leaving the field open for local warlords, Babur chose to stay in India.

So what is correct version??

Book says something, net says something else, text book says something else only

Just one thing regarding the wikipedia entries- while they might be accurate, Wikipedia can be changed by anyone who wants to change it, so its accuracy is chancy. In books vs. wiki, books always win.

Originally posted by: apolloartemis

Just one thing regarding the wikipedia entries- while they might be accurate, Wikipedia can be changed by anyone who wants to change it, so its accuracy is chancy. In books vs. wiki, books always win.

Better to use the citations instead

At the end of the day Pratap was a magnificent ruler. Forget fighting against Akbar- this was a guy who basically reorganizaed Mewar after Udai Singh's rule, and then went on to fight Akbar. He pioneered gureilla warfare and had the foresight to use battle tactics people up till then had never heard off. His life was as colorful and as glorius as Akbars.

I would like to say one more think that many of them said that Akbar was not stalker and both of them Pratap and Akbar fought for roop kunwar.it was not for that princess she was just amedium but it was for pride of ones respect how can jalal force Roop when she never knew him personally and Pratab only saved her for her honour but later scolds her for going out alone which they never showed in the serial

Originally posted by: Intrepida

actually, there are citations on wikipedia at the end of the article, and not anyone can change it, there i a peer review system, they will change it back to the original if they find that its not right, or outrageous, there were a ton of books that have been cited for babur and the text cites them with numbers. I tried to add the details for Damodar Rao (Lakshmibai's son) and within a day or two, it was deleted, so they are pretty thorough with it!

Maharana Pratap's guerilla warfare tactics were passed down to the Marathas and they used that to weaken the mughals, indirectly fulfilling the Maharana's dream!

akbar became a great and benevolent ruler much later. initially, he was a cruel and ruthless enemy and conqueror. he didnt conquer the whole of india through love. it was much later when he was much older and his empire was secured and stable. before that not only was he a cruel enemy, but he was also known to be a man with a huge harem...meaning like more than 2000 women in his harem. historians are unsure how many wives he had but they were numerous. in the anals of the rajputana as translated by Todd and also in folk stories, it has been recorded that Akbar used to have a certain period in the year which was dedicated to debauchery. at that time, he would lay claim to any woman, married or unmarried, in his palace, even if they were the queen or daughters of his hindu subject kings. in return he would load them with gold, but their husbands didnt have the right to protest. this was the conqueror akbar. so much so that some historians say that fight between akbar and jehangir over anarkali was for a different reason. anarkali was actually akbar's concubine. when salim took a liking to her, akbar got angry that he was poaching on his terriory and hence the fight. however, once he became a great emperor, slowly a change came over him due to many reasons when he was in his later years. he became more benign towrds the hindus, tried to preach a new religion, and became a great Emperor. pratap on the other hand was always a model of self-respect, virtue and patriotism. nothing else needs to be said.

Originally posted by: dmg2c

akbar became a great and benevolent ruler much later. initially, he was a cruel and ruthless enemy and conqueror. he didnt conquer the whole of india through love. it was much later when he was much older and his empire was secured and stable. before that not only was he a cruel enemy, but he was also known to be a man with a huge harem...meaning like more than 2000 women in his harem. historians are unsure how many wives he had but they were numerous. in the anals of the rajputana as translated by Todd and also in folk stories, it has been recorded that Akbar used to have a certain period in the year which was dedicated to debauchery. at that time, he would lay claim to any woman, married or unmarried, in his palace, even if they were the queen or daughters of his hindu subject kings. in return he would load them with gold, but their husbands didnt have the right to protest. this was the conqueror akbar. so much so that some historians say that fight between akbar and jehangir over anarkali was for a different reason. anarkali was actually akbar's concubine. when salim took a liking to her, akbar got angry that he was poaching on his terriory and hence the fight. however, once he became a great emperor, slowly a change came over him due to many reasons when he was in his later years. he became more benign towrds the hindus, tried to preach a new religion, and became a great Emperor. pratap on the other hand was always a model of self-respect, virtue and patriotism. nothing else needs to be said.

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Since this is MP forum i do not want to upload details of others but yet some details on history

Anarkali is actually a fictional story written by a college student for a college play. In lahore there is a tomb called anarkali tomb built by Jehangir. And there were rumors that Salim fell in love with her(or whoever that girl was) and she was a dancer in Mughal court. This story was developed by that guy studying in lahore college because he had heard that in anarkali tomb prince salim lover is resting for whom he was banished from palace.

Salim was banished from Mughal court by Akbar when he was about 23-26 years he stayed in bala fort in rajasthan. There is a Salim mahal and Salim lake in that fort if you visit it they will tell name came after Salim stayed there in banishment for 3 years. That is why Salim is not mentioned in Akbarnama etc after childhood till age of 35 because from age of 7 he was either in war fields or banished from house. Why Salim was banished shall tell below???.

That lady that historians say was Akbar cocubine is actually his son Daniyal's mother and she is buried with her son Daniyal only in his tomb. So she cannot be in that Anarkali tomb at lahore.

But majority historians believe Anarkali tomb is built by Jehangir for his second son Parvez mother Sahib Jamal who was a commoner. Akbar never agreed to accept Sahib Jamal as his daughter in law and Jehnagir took a lot of convincing and years to marry her. You must know in 16th century without parents permission a marriage did not get society sanction its not 21st century where people can go to court and marry. Its belived Akbar was not happy and only on his death bed he accepted her as his son's wife and got societry sanctions. So this Anarkali tomb is actually the wife of Jehangir and his second son mother a commoner and Jehangir faced lot of oppositions and warth of father to marry her against his parents wishes. And most probably he was banished for same reasons from Mughal court and palace as told by a guide there.

A couplet by Jahangir written on the grave in Persian reads, "If I could behold my beloved only once, I would remain thankful to Allah till doomsday" Majnun Salim son of Akbar. So its but obivous Jehangir loved her a lot. But the error Jehangir did was he did not mention his wife name there. So its lead to all sort of stories and legends and myths.

And why the name Anarkali came to that tomb. That grave stood around a anarkali garden and as time passed people forgot Sahib Jamal and started calling anarkali grave.

If you read ASI records and Rajasthan state archive records in a state library this above story emerges.

So yes Akabr and Salim had a fight for marrying a commoner girl and it led to Salim banishment but she was not any cocubbine.

Originally posted by: Haniibee

Don't compare Maharana Pratap and Jodha Akbar...both shows are very different to each other and while we respect the fact that you don't like what's being shown in MP, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WATCH IT!

It's simple, if you don't like what MP is doing, don't watch it.

Originally posted by: 9tanki

Akbar was shit head.