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anshvi

@anshvi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#631

Only that person can be saved who wants to be saved in the first place

Maya can find someone and fall in love and lead a happy life...This scenario can never happen because Maya does not want this

Arjun and Saanjh leave Maya on her own - Again this can never happen because Maya doesn't want to let go of Arjun and she will make sure that he never leaves her

Maya is obsessed with Arjun...Not sure if Saanjh is Arjun's madness but Arjun and Arjun's obsession is definitely Maya's madness/her sanak

She doesn't want a happy ending, she doesn't want any redemption, she wants Arjun and to get him she crosses all limits and will continue to do so coz Arjun is her madness and Maya's madness is her strength

Maya doesn't want to be saved...This is not a fight for Maya's survival...it is a battle of survival for Arjun, Saanjh , Ayaan and others against Maya

These people want Maya to go away from their lives but Maya will not go away so easily..She wants to take Arjun with her forever.

She wants to kill him and all those who are close to him.

Her love for Arjun turned into obsession and sanak and she could never realise or experience true love.

Now she has embraced darkness...She started moving away from light the day she left her friend Ganesha...she moves towards grey and then from shades of grey she faded into black and now she has embraced that black..She has embraced darkness

and hadh se zyada kuch bhi accha nahi - Pyar bhi

Her love turned to obsession and will destroy not only others but her as well

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Laska

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Posted: 8 years ago

#632

@shruthiravi, in fact it's a normal principle of human relationships. Normal relationships. Well, if look back, what did they all give? What, except black? Want, all these colors to return to them many times over, so that they would drown in their normal sane goodness

Naturally, Duffer will save his madness. Let him remain with his madness until the end of his days

I'm interested in Duffer's death - Duffer's death should give new life to Maya. And when at last Maya will leave their lives. When at last second Duffer's hand will remain forever empty. Because it will be too late. And this damn ring must be crashed by hammer once and for all

And how Dusky yelled that she would never support a criminal/murderer for anything. First she ran with Duffer, who killed Maya. And now, and at all they are with Rajiv, who killed Prem, friends, with murderer her own father. Superb, must say👏👏👏

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Laska

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Posted: 8 years ago

#633

@anshvi, Maya said that marriage isn't just nothing for her, marriage is important to her. She said that vows are important to her. For Duffer to break any promise, to destroy any vow - a trifling matter

For Maya - big big no

And in this picture Dusky stepped in. Dusky didn't ask what Duffer gave to Maya. Dusky asked what Maya had given to Duffer. And she forced Maya to give vow

7 vow. A fatal death noose around the neck that can't be removed. What did Duffer ask for in this 7 vow? Dusky read a remarkably pathetic notation about love right at the wedding, interfering in other people's under construction sacred relationship. In vows, in which there never can be 3 person

But what does Duffer ask for in this 7 vow? Love is life, says Dusky. And Duffer asks Maya to love him until her last breath. Duffer asks Maya's life in this 7 vow. Duffer asks Maya death in this 7 vow

And will Duffer be worthy of love until her last breath? Will it be possible to love Duffer until her last breath? Will Duffer not destroy all possible&impossible love? Dusky didn't read the notations on this topic, no

And now save her from this damn 7 vow, from which there is no way out

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#634

@anshvi Saanjh his madness and Ayan is his life Arjun told. These are dialogues from Arjun. If you look from that perspective he always delivers on the trust of his madness, but he betrayed the trust of his life ie Ayan when he left his hand and took Maya's hand in rape case.

He had betrayed before also. When in season 1, when Maya creates that trouble and VM put kachara on her, Ayan calls Arjun to come and solve the problem. What does Arjun do. He pushes Ayan, calls him soutela and tells Maya if she comes here she is no longer his wife. That day also this man didnt allow Ayan to open his mouth and tell what he wanted to tell. He has to listen to his life not madness, because more his voice is not heard he will slip to madness because he is the victim.

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anshvi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#635

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@anshvi Saanjh his madness and Ayan is his life Arjun told. These are dialogues from Arjun. If you look from that perspective he always delivers on the trust of his madness, but he betrayed the trust of his life ie Ayan when he left his hand and took Maya's hand in rape case.
He had betrayed before also. When in season 1, when Maya creates that trouble and VM put kachara on her, Ayan calls Arjun to come and solve the problem. What does Arjun do. He pushes Ayan, calls him soutela and tells Maya if she comes here she is no longer his wife. That day also this man didnt allow Ayan to open his mouth and tell what he wanted to tell. He has to listen to his life not madness, because more his voice is not heard he will slip to madness because he is the victim.

Arjun should have given Ayaan a chance

In my opinion Arjun hasn't been a great big bro

He called Ayaan sautela while Ayaan alwasy considered him as his real bro

Now coming to your points

Shruthi , Arjun first time called him sautela and pushed him when Ayaan tried to explain it to Arjun to calm down and supported his mom...That time Arjun was thinking only about Maya and listened to her

Second time Arjun didn't even bother to listen to Ayaan's side of the story in the fake rape case fiasco...He again trusted Maya over his own brother

In both these situations Arjun did't listen to Ayaan...He didn't listen to Saanjh coz in both these cases Saanjh was supporting Arjun

Arjun listenened to no one but Maya...He trusted her over his own brother , mom and everyone else.

Now when Maya herself confessed her crimes then he came to know how wrong he was for not trusting his brother and rather trust Maya and that is what he told Saanjh as well 'shayad yahi saza hai apne bhai pe bharosa na karne ki'

Arjun had left his brother whom he calls his jaan , his life for Maya

He had left life's hand for Maya and got death penalty as a result

Now again his bhai , his jaan , his life is by his side

I hope these brothers' bond gets stronger and they survive till the very end.

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Laska

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Posted: 8 years ago

#636

@shruthiravi, Ayan always called Duffer sautela at the first opportunity. And not vice versa. They always had this conflict. As soon as a conflict arose with VM, Ayan always called Duffer sautela. And he said that they were no longer brothers. And this case was no exception. Ayan said that Duffer sautela. And that Duffer isn't his brother

By the way, Duffer must stays lifeless...

By the way, about madness. Why Duffer wanted to make Maya fall in love again. Madness! Maya in the hospital, among all these riotous, was absolutely calm. He didn't like it. He needed Maya's madness. It was hard for him to go to such Maya in the hospital, he was crying at Dusky's vest on this occasion. Once again nothing exept his egoism

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anshvi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#637

@Laska

Maya wanted Arjun to give her 7th vow which was to love each other till last breath and die together

Although Saanjh shouldn't have interfered but what she said about love was not wrong

Saanjh corrected her and said 'Pyar vo nahi jo saath mare balki vo hai jo saath jeeye' 'Pyar saath marne mein nahi saath jeene mein hain

Love is when you save and protect you love even if it means that you sacrifice your happiness for that ,sacrifice for the happiness of your love, when you bear the pain for the sake of your love's happiness, support him in times of crisis' That is selfless love

She wasn't wrong

Sadly Maya couldn't realise or experience true and selfless love

She wanted to control her love and her love turned to obsession

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actions speak louder than words

Ayaan always treated Arjun as his real bro

Arjun misbehaved with his mom and only when the situation got out of control Ayaan supported his mom...Ayaan never called Arjun Sautela

When they first fought Ayaan told Arjun ki agar maa apke lie sauteli hai toh phir main bhi apka bhai nahi

Arjun was the one who called Vandana step mom

in both the situations Ayaan supported his mom coz Arjun was wrong

even after all of this Ayaan and Vandana did go to Maya's house with the gifts

Ayaan before that supported Maya against Vandana as well

Ayaan was the one who wanted to save his bro from Maya

Even in police station when Arjun hit him and because of that when Vandana cursed him it was Ayaan who stopped his mom and said that this is what Maya wants, he wants to take bhai away from us

Ayaan didn't think that Arjun was against him or he didn't even listen to him or that Arjun was supporting Maya, all he was concerned about was that Maya will take his bhai away from him...He didn't hold any grudge against his brother

It was Arjun who called him sautela in the police station not the other way round

Ayaan never blamed Arjun not untill Vandana's death and even then he realized his mistake and helped Arjun out.

Arjun also realised the same and told Saanjh in the station that 'yahi saza hoti hai shayad apne bhai pe bharosa na karne ki'

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#638

@anshvi even before Arjun called him Soutela, when he came in that scene, he tried to explain the situation to him, but Arjun doesnt allow him to speak, then the altercation happens and finally comes soutela. Accusation happens even before Ayan speaks and from that accusation the fight and soutela happens where Ayan takes the stand for his mother

Arjun has a big ego. Coming to 7th vow yes Dusky told love is not about dying together, but living together. But the same Dusky told love is when you die for each other, Arjun can die for me, and I can die for Arjun. Lawyer's words as per the situation.

Laska I dont remember Ayan calling Arjun Soutela. Yes when Arjun insults vm he stands with vm. He had also spoken against vm when vm insulted Maya and got slapped for the same. He was the one who asked Arjun on wedding day " Bhaiyya you love Maya right" after hearing his brother talking about trapping a rich girl. Ayan trusted his brother, his choices. There are many evidences for it. But Arjun didnt trust Ayan enough or his POV.

Ayan has flaws, but he has cared in his own way everyone in his family. Yes he manhandled Maya, but that was for Arjun. It was for Arjun. When Rajiv told before doing another crime for you, let me see you are worthy of it.

I thought about Ayan and Maya. Before doing anything for Arjun let him think whether his brother deserves it. And Maya should have thought before keeping Jhanvi from Ashwin whether Jhanvi deserved to be protected. If such a test is taken lot of unnecessary pain could be avoided by extending help to people who betray your trust.

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anshvi

@anshvi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#639

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@anshvi even before Arjun called him Soutela, when he came in that scene, he tried to explain the situation to him, but Arjun doesnt allow him to speak, then the altercation happens and finally comes soutela. Accusation happens even before Ayan speaks and from that accusation the fight and soutela happens where Ayan takes the stand for his mother
Arjun has a big ego. Coming to 7th vow yes Dusky told love is not about dying together, but living together. But the same Dusky told love is when you die for each other, Arjun can die for me, and I can die for Arjun. Lawyer's words as per the situation.

Laska I dont remember Ayan calling Arjun Soutela. Yes when Arjun insults vm he stands with vm. He had also spoken against vm when vm insulted Maya and got slapped for the same. He was the one who asked Arjun on wedding day " Bhaiyya you love Maya right" after hearing his brother talking about trapping a rich girl. Ayan trusted his brother, his choices. There are many evidences for it. But Arjun didnt trust Ayan enough or his POV.

Ayan has flaws, but he has cared in his own way everyone in his family. Yes he manhandled Maya, but that was for Arjun. It was for Arjun. When Rajiv told before doing another crime for you, let me see you are worthy of it.

I thought about Ayan and Maya. Before doing anything for Arjun let him think whether his brother deserves it. And Maya should have thought before keeping Jhanvi from Ashwin whether Jhanvi deserved to be protected. If such a test is taken lot of unnecessary pain could be avoided by extending help to people who betray your trust.

Yes Shruthi

Saanjh said they can die for each other ...they can sacrifice their life for protecting the life of other...love is not about taking but giving...Love is not to control but to let go...love is not to take life which Maya wanted to do but to be ready to sacrifice life if need comes to protect the other...love is not taking someone's life but to protect it

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#640

@anshvi what if you have to kill to protect the life of one you love. Or give justice to the one you love. It is not love. In Drishyam movie the accidental murder happens by the girl to protect her mother, In Wednesday nasruddin shah kills 3 terrorists and asked to kill a 4th one because he cared for a young man who died in bomb blast. Kaabil is revenge by a man for the criminals who raped his wife and pushed her to suicide.

Sometimes love is not just about giving life, it is also taking life for the one you loved, to protect your loved one or giving justice to your loved one.

Jaan de bhi sakthi hai or jaan le bhi saakthi hai. A mother can die for a child or take life to protect her child. A wife or husband can die for their loved one or take life for their loved one. Same with every relation.

In MB when Arjun fights the battle of his life on 14th day, it is for his son, who was brutally murdered, it was a father's guilt and agony pushing the man to avenge the man who guarded the vyuha that killed his child. Arjun is death incarnate on that day. If he cannot take life, he will give away his life. Either destroy other or destroy himself in fire along with his son's pyre.

So dying, killing all are part of love in its own way. Only we need to see the situation in which it happens. And it is never seen in dialogues, it is seen in action which alas Dusky doesnt know.

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