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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@anshvi what if you have to kill to protect the life of one you love. Or give justice to the one you love. It is not love. In Drishyam movie the accidental murder happens by the girl to protect her mother, In Wednesday nasruddin shah kills 3 terrorists and asked to kill a 4th one because he cared for a young man who died in bomb blast. Kaabil is revenge by a man for the criminals who raped his wife and pushed her to suicide.

Sometimes love is not just about giving life, it is also taking life for the one you loved, to protect your loved one or giving justice to your loved one.

Jaan de bhi sakthi hai or jaan le bhi saakthi hai. A mother can die for a child or take life to protect her child. A wife or husband can die for their loved one or take life for their loved one. Same with every relation.

In MB when Arjun fights the battle of his life on 14th day, it is for his son, who was brutally murdered, it was a father's guilt and agony pushing the man to avenge the man who guarded the vyuha that killed his child. Arjun is death incarnate on that day. If he cannot take life, he will give away his life. Either destroy other or destroy himself in fire along with his son's pyre.

So dying, killing all are part of love in its own way. Only we need to see the situation in which it happens. And it is never seen in dialogues, it is seen in action which alas Dusky doesnt know.


Shruthi
Love is not taking the life of the one you love

Maya claims that she loves Arjun but wants to kill him

While Saanjh wants to save him and can sacrifice her life when the time comes to save Arjun's life

In all those movies protagonists killed those who had killed their loved ones

According to that Arjun wants to punish Maya coz she took Vandana's life

What you said is the same thing Saanjh said

She is ready to sacrifice her fllfie to protect Arjun

Arjun is ready to punish Maya for killing Vandana

Love is to protect the one you love , to seek justice for the one you love , to support the one you love , to kill someone else or give your own life for protecting your love

But
Not killing your own love which Maya wants to do

You are right when you say for loved ones we can take and give life which is exactly what Arjun and Saanjh are ready to do now

But Maya doesn't want to kill someone for protecting her loved ones..she wants to kill her love because she no longer can control him
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Posted: 8 years ago
@anshvi though I am not with Maya's methods or her need to kill Arjun with her, I want to just comment on " Love is not taking the life of one you love". I dont know whether you have read Jeffrey Archer's Clifton Series. But if time permits do read it.
May be you will get a new meaning for " Love is not taking the life of one you love". 😃, because I cried a long time after reading the last part. I knew it because I knew the protoganist Harry Clifton by then, but still I was angry at the author why he gave such a choice to Harry. Why it couldnt have been something else
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Posted: 8 years ago
@shruthiravi, these are standard Ayan's words "If she isn't your mother, then I'm not your brother either. You sautela!"
These are Ayan's words, not Duffer. And from this point of view, I will never say that Ayan was right. VM for Duffer's stepmother and it's just a fact. Ayan Daffer brother and this is also just a fact
Ayan always took VM's side n this way - you aren't my brother, you are sautela
Duffer only voiced the fact - VM his stepmother. While Ayan each time tore a blood bound with his brother
And one must say one of the most important - Ayan never respected Duffer's mother, Raksha. Never respected the woman who gave life to his brother. Never respected her memory. Never respected Duffer's feelings
(I can even name episode numbers if needed😉😆)

The only time Duffer calls Ayan sautela in prison, but in this case, show me someone who says otherwise. If Ayan was not in prison, another would have simply beaten to death such Ayan for doing such nothing to his wife

@anshvi, as for Duffer's leave Sharma's house. All conveniently forget how and when Duffer left Sharma's home. Duffer didn't leave because of Maya, not because of a quarrel on the street. Duffer left Sharma's home because VM refused to accept the paralyzed Jhanvi in the house. This decision was Duffer's decision, not Maya. VM refused Duffer in the house. VM denied Duffer the right to make a decision again
Garbage and water, which VM threw at Maya, occurred later. And Duffer didn't listen Maya there. There Duffer said that if Maya comes to this house, then he will divorce with her



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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@anshvi though I am not with Maya's methods or her need to kill Arjun with her, I want to just comment on " Love is not taking the life of one you love". I dont know whether you have read Jeffrey Archer's Clifton Series. But if time permits do read it.

May be you will get a new meaning for " Love is not taking the life of one you love". 😃, because I cried a long time after reading the last part. I knew it because I knew the protoganist Harry Clifton by then, but still I was angry at the author why he gave such a choice to Harry. Why it couldnt have been something else


Shruthi

Here the reason and intention matters a lot
Guzarish and Me before you are good examples where the girl takes the life of the guy out of love because that was what was supposed to be done

Here Maya's case is different..he wants Arjun dead for her own selfish reason because she is of the mentality tha if she Can't have Arjun then no one can

There is no selfless reason or love behind her intention of wanting Arjun dead
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Posted: 8 years ago
Laska
That is the problem Arjun never heard Ayaan's side of the story , didn't even give him a chance and made the decision himself

Just like Arjun was a husband same way if Ayaan is a brother then he is also a son and it is natural for him to take a stand for his mom when his brother called his mom sauteli.

I don't think he ever disrespected Ayaan

Ayaan always wanted Arjun to consider his mom ad her own and if not consider then at least respect her

Ayaan has been a very good brother so far in my opinion and ur opinions differs which is fine

Also

Arjun due to whatever reason left he did misbehave with Vandna and Ayaan supported his mom in that situation

They did not break relations with him but it was Arjun who broke all relations

It was Ayaan and his mom who went to Maya's house to mend broken relations



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Posted: 8 years ago
I really like Dusky's loud pathos. Yes, this beautiful white holy cloak that flutters behind, covering everything and anything
Does Maya Duffer love? Come on, Maya left her penthouse to come to Sharma's house. Maya tolerated all insults and humiliations of VM, Maya tolerated Ayan's ridicule. Maya tolerated this super-extra-special friendship between Duffer and Dusky. For Duffer's happiness. The family should become more, not less. And Maya did everything she could for that. Few, who in her place would tolerate all this in silence longer
Maya took blame for Aswin's murder on herself. She was ready to go to prison for a long time, only to Duffer was free
Come on, she leave Duffer right after wedding, for Duffer's happiness
She left the company because he asked
Maya gave him her life
While Dusky is talking pathos, Maya has already done all this. Only this one is not seen, for one simple reason, Maya doesn't throw loud pathos speeches, but simply does
In love you can go to much, in love you can go through many limits

Duffer wants to punish Maya for VM's death. Well, firstly, he doesn't want this. What Duffer wants is still impossible to understand. But this isn't about love. Here it is a question of revenge. And if we talk about revenge, is not Maya right from the same point of view, taking VM's life
for the life of her child?
For Duffer this child was nothing. For Maya, this child was all
This child was for her all, completelly everything
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Posted: 8 years ago
@anshvi yes the situation matters. Love is not in words, not in dialogues, it is defined in action when situation arises.
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Posted: 8 years ago
@anshvi, did Ayan ever hear Duffer? Ever heard his side of story? No
No, wait it's abnormal. VM is Duffer's stepmother. It's just a fact. Explain to me why Ayan's selfishness and ego were so great that Duffer could not live his life with his mother? What is it like to be a stepmother? There is nothing terrible and horrible in this, and this is not an insult. It's just a fact
Duffer respected VM. He respected her. He lived with her in the same house all his life. With a woman he hated, but people around this was not enough. Everybody demanded that Duffer accept VM as a mother to take away the right of his mother and give this right to VM. On what grounds? And what about Raksha?
Ayan supported his mother. But to support your mother and break blood, blood bound with your brother - these are absolutely different things. For Ayan to rupture blood bound with Duffer have always been a trivial matter

Well, if we remember that Duffer broke all relations. True. Then let's not forget that VM (especially VM) and Ayan didn't come at all to repair the relationship. VM took Ayan in circulation, in order to seep in Duffer's life once again
There was no talk of any sorting out the relations there
You above also wrote about respect. So if we talk about relationships, and that VM has come to repair relations, show me where VM's respect to Maya, for her son's wife?
This respect to Maya from VM never was there. And there was no respect for person Maya, nor for Maya boss of her son, nor for Maya girlfriend her son, nor for Maya wife her son, nor for Maya mother Duffer's child
Duffer said if she were mother, she would be looking her own hapiness in his happiness. And this was the former truth. And search. And try. And accepted. If she were Duffer's mother. But VM could not show to Maya even an elementary respect, which is generally accepted in interhuman relations
She could not bless neither Bahu nor the mother of her future grandson/granddaughter
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Laska

@anshvi, did Ayan ever hear Duffer? Ever heard his side of story? No

No, wait it's abnormal. VM is Duffer's stepmother. It's just a fact. Explain to me why Ayan's selfishness and ego were so great that Duffer could not live his life with his mother? What is it like to be a stepmother? There is nothing terrible and horrible in this, and this is not an insult. It's just a fact
Duffer respected VM. He respected her. He lived with her in the same house all his life. With a woman he hated, but people around this was not enough. Everybody demanded that Duffer accept VM as a mother to take away the right of his mother and give this right to VM. On what grounds? And what about Raksha?
Ayan supported his mother. But to support your mother and break blood, blood bound with your brother - these are absolutely different things. For Ayan to rupture blood bound with Duffer have always been a trivial matter

Well, if we remember that Duffer broke all relations. True. Then let's not forget that VM (especially VM) and Ayan didn't come at all to repair the relationship. VM took Ayan in circulation, in order to seep in Duffer's life once again
There was no talk of any sorting out the relations there
You above also wrote about respect. So if we talk about relationships, and that VM has come to repair relations, show me where VM's respect to Maya, for her son's wife?
This respect to Maya from VM never was there. And there was no respect for person Maya, nor for Maya boss of her son, nor for Maya girlfriend her son, nor for Maya wife her son, nor for Maya mother Duffer's child
Duffer said if she were mother, she would be looking her own hapiness in his happiness. And this was the former truth. And search. And try. And accepted. If she were Duffer's mother. But VM could not show to Maya even an elementary respect, which is generally accepted in interhuman relations
She could not bless neither Bahu nor the mother of her future grandson/granddaughter


Laska

As i said u have a different perspective to view things

Ayaan never asked Arjun to forget to forget Raksha

No one asked Arjun to forget Raksha

Everyone including Ayaan were okay with the fact that Arjun never called Vandana mom

All Ayaan wanted was for Arjun to at least respect his mom and the day he disrespected Vandana was the day Ayaan stood up for his mom...Raksha who is no more when she deserves respect then certainly a living mom does too

Vandana said the same thing that she didn't want to take Raksha's place but create her own place in Arjun's heart and this is what happened as well

Arjun eventually did accept Vandana and called him his mom.

If Vandana didn't accept Maya so Ayaan also didn't support her and in fact Vandana slapped him for that reason..Here we are talking about Ayaan and not Vandana..Although call it irony but all of Vandana's fears did come true eventually

Again it was when Arjun broke relations and insulted Vandana then Ayaan stood for him and later they went to mend their broken relations

When Arjun got arrested in Maya's murder, Ayaan trusted him unlike Arjun who didn't trust him and call him sautela

Even Arjun regrets that he didn't trust his bro so there is nothing to argue here in this case

Arjun did accept Vandana and he did accept that it was his mistake to not trust his brother who was always there for him no matter what
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Posted: 8 years ago
@anshvi, no one asked to forget Raksha. There was no need to ask. Actions speak for themselves. Respect my mother. If she isn't your mother, then I'm not your brother either
Ayan wanted respect for VM. VM wanted a place in the heart
VM stays in Duffer's house after death of his mother, rumors spread among the people. This is the first hit to Raksha's memory. Less than six months later, unable to withstand even the accepted mourning, Duffer's father marries VM - the second hit to Raksha's memory
This is a manifestation of disrespect to Raksha
Duffer grew up with this disrespect for his mother. With disrespect, which showed his father and VM too

Duffer eventually accept VM. Well, firstly, he accepted VM thanks to Maya. VM could not even thank Maya for this, never
And the way he accepted, and why he accepted. Most of all talks about Duffer's nature. Duffer loves freebies. Duffer is very fond of freebies. At the moment when Duffer accepted VM and how he accepted VM, he broke promise that he gave to his mother, Raksha. He destroyed all
Raksha's memory. Raksha ceased to exist at this moment. He simply betrayed his mother. He betrayed his mother's memory

VM never went to fix any relationship. VM rushes in Maya's house. With a brazen arrogant face. Like Maya is nobody and nothing. Ayan stood looking at all this and smiling
Broken relationships don't fix like that. So someone come again to insult, again humiliate

Ayan supported Duffer in the murder of Maya, yes, he said that Duffer did nothing. Of course, Ayan will say so, because to tear Maya's dress and threaten with rape is nothing. Means to both beat and kill is nothing. The fact that this unfortunate person has survived because Ganesha, Ma Lakshmi or Rajiv/Samay continued to carry out their sadistic experiment doesn't mean that Duffer did nothing at all
Maya, too, with incredible tenacity, proved to the whole world and herself that Duffer doesn't raise his hand to her. The fact from this doesn't change. Raises. Constantly

Well, as for what Duffer realized and regrets - today he regrets one thing. Yesterday he regretted another. Tomorrow he will regret again. I'll just hope that the next time he regrets he will not have any way back, never. Even if it means death for this person

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