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Posted: 8 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: bugsbunny12




Sorry but i disagree 😊...what if what we were shown was what they wanted us to think we were shown...u say maya pursued arjun...what if arjun "let" maya pursue him? its not wrong to make assumptions...basically, assumptions are meant to be faulty...thats why they are not called facts...so let us all share our opinions in a friendly environment without finding faults in other's views shall we? 😛

ohk our opinions may be wrong, who ever said that we have to express them only if they seem sensible or correct? its a free forum dear...anyone can say anything (except abuses or personal attacking)

Anyways, please carry on & I mean no offence... 😆


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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Nithu I wouldnt say Arjun didnt love her. He did. But for me I always felt Arjun's love is conditional. More of my way or highway type. He will love, he will take care only if you are a person totally dependant on him, allow him to do whatever he wants, be available to him as and when he wants, supports him in all his does right or wrong.
Though her methods are wrong, Maya is a no nonsense girl. She doesnt take rubbish sitting. If you look in the initial office episodes as a boss she punishes Arjun for his misbehaviour.

Now if anyone tells me drinking beer in the office, taking the boss complimentary passes and climbing 19 floors entering through the window of her apartment and ordering her are just simple mistakes I wont take it. They were genuine discipline issues for which Maya gave some harsh punishments. Arjun took them because she was the boss then and it was about his job. That day also Arjun had the option of leaving the job, but he didnt. Instead he decided to play around or payback with Maya.

Maya put him in a room for 6 hrs for stealing her complimentary pass. While she and her mom sat in the normal class, Arjun, Saanjh and Ayan were enjoying the balcony circle which they shouldnt have. What does Arjun do. He put Maya inside lift at night. Is it right to put a woman alone in a lift at night. Whatever Maya's extreme reactions are, even under normal circumstances it was not right. Arjun was punished for stealing. Instead of sending him to police she put him in 6 hrs in a room. But again punishment for Maya, with no acknowledgement of Arjun's crime. Now please dont tell me stealing compliementary pass of your boss is a simple issue.

Same thing has happened with their marriage. Arjun has broken promises, broken rules, Maya has put extreme controls. Everyone sees only she is problem. No one is looking into what all discipline issues Arjun has done.

Maya's control and Arjun's wayward life both need limits. Maya is under illusion that if she keeps the facade of being good Ashwin will be lost. No he wont. The poison Ashwin has spread is now drowning Maya. To survive she has to break it and accept the reality of whatever her personality is.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#13

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Nithu I wouldnt say Arjun didnt love her. He did. But for me I always felt Arjun's love is conditional. More of my way or highway type. He will love, he will take care only if you are a person totally dependant on him, allow him to do whatever he wants, be available to him as and when he wants, supports him in all his does right or wrong.

Though her methods are wrong, Maya is a no nonsense girl. She doesnt take rubbish sitting. If you look in the initial office episodes as a boss she punishes Arjun for his misbehaviour.

Now if anyone tells me drinking beer in the office, taking the boss complimentary passes and climbing 19 floors entering through the window of her apartment and ordering her are just simple mistakes I wont take it. They were genuine discipline issues for which Maya gave some harsh punishments. Arjun took them because she was the boss then and it was about his job. That day also Arjun had the option of leaving the job, but he didnt. Instead he decided to play around or payback with Maya.

Maya put him in a room for 6 hrs for stealing her complimentary pass. While she and her mom sat in the normal class, Arjun, Saanjh and Ayan were enjoying the balcony circle which they shouldnt have. What does Arjun do. He put Maya inside lift at night. Is it right to put a woman alone in a lift at night. Whatever Maya's extreme reactions are, even under normal circumstances it was not right. Arjun was punished for stealing. Instead of sending him to police she put him in 6 hrs in a room. But again punishment for Maya, with no acknowledgement of Arjun's crime. Now please dont tell me stealing compliementary pass of your boss is a simple issue.

Same thing has happened with their marriage. Arjun has broken promises, broken rules, Maya has put extreme controls. Everyone sees only she is problem. No one is looking into what all discipline issues Arjun has done.

Maya's control and Arjun's wayward life both need limits. Maya is under illusion that if she keeps the facade of being good Ashwin will be lost. No he wont. The poison Ashwin has spread is now drowning Maya. To survive she has to break it and accept the reality of whatever her personality is.


You are very much right Shruthi di.
I'm not saying arjun was right. The simple office issues every one considered maya's side is extreme. But they are really what has to be done by any boss.
But I'm talking abt her nature. She is extremely loyal and takes her promises seriously but arjun is wayward.
And yeah abt everyone is looking into her only bcoz of not going into deep and thinking about all the circumstances that happening around & only blaming maya .
Obviously it was from arjun side where he broke rules of marriage like when he Shud party with his wife he secretly went to his bff.& crossed limits.
In all this from start with everyone, I felt his love was conditional & being a dominant, egoistic, duffer he is... he didn't try to understand the situation and running away from the situation.
I hope someone puts sense in duffer and makes him patient towards maya.
Maya accepting her reality is going to break her completely may be. Can she accept it ? Doesn't this reality throw her to more of dark side ?
Edited by Nithunavi - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Good Analysis. I remember Arjun telling Saanjh from the beginning of the show that he wants to achieve this building by any means, go to many countries, etc. So it clearly means that he was ambitious. He was admiring Maya's beauty, brains, & class. Maya had initially hated Arjun & never wanted to look at his face. She was initially very cold towards him for breaking the company rules & his unprofessional behavior. He got to know Maya is afraid of darkness when he had trapped her in the lift for certain time say about 20 minutes, after having been punished.
Whenever Maya fired him from his job, he has been making an excuse to take him back and Maya didn't have any option but to do that. The hatred went on till Arjun saved her from Ashwin. Slowly and gradually they became friends. After the hospital scene, Jhanvi told Maya to give a chance to herself and tell about her feelings to Arjun to which she initially refused but eventually, she proposed to him in a hot air balloon. Arjun didn't know how to react. This was unusual as Arjun has been thinking of setting a Mayajaal for her before their friendship. However, after proposing to her, it seemed that he genuinely loved her but after Maya gave her company to him to protect herself from Ashwin, his truth came out when he got drunk at the bachelor's party. After all, a person cannot lie when they are drunk. He told Ayaan and his friends that to become rich, woo a rich girl like Maya and enjoy all the comforts. This was a shortcut. He further said that he loves Maya and whatever belongs to her, belongs to him and vice versa. He had said that Maya will be under his control and dance to his tunes. The wedding took place against Vandana's wishes. Thanks to Ashwin who has successfully injected this venom in her mind followed by her superstitious beliefs. He has done his job before dying. Maya's efforts to become a good DIL went in vain as Vandana has been too resilient, cruel and inhuman towards her.

Arjun never had any natural affection towards her. It was indirectly through Maya who made him realize the family's importance. He had given the credit to Maya for his drastic change. However, the same hatred came out once again which again it was because of Vandana's prejudice.

Maya called Vandana as mom whereas Arjun called Jhanvi as aunt instead of mom as she is his MIL. That is something very doubtful now. Jhanvi overheard Arjun's conversation with his friend who had disguised as a tantrik to make her write her confession that she had murdered Ashwin.

Now, anyone in that position would think that he is scheeming. In this angle, can anyone even call him a Duffer? I partly agree with that as he is not a complete Duffer. He is not able to read anyone's gestures or facial expressions. However, more than brains, one needs to be deeply connected to the person with their heart to the other person. True love teaches everything. If he had truly loved Maya, he would never fail to understand her gestures or expressions. After they shifted to Jhanvi's place after the accident, Arjun said that his long-term dreams have been fulfilled and he is staying in the place where he wanted. Jhanvi's eyeballs have been rotating whenever she sees him. It really wanted to say something which Maya could not understand. Maya did give him freedom but he misused it. Maya has always felt that Jhanvi has giving leniency to Ashwin, that is why he has been going to Shipra. This made her believe that controlling your loved ones is the way. Yes, every spouse does keep a track of their partners to some extent. If they are let loose, they will take you for granted.

In Ramayan, Laxman had put the lines telling Sita not to cross the line for her safety before leaving. Sita was safe as long as she was within her boundaries. When she crossed the boundary, she was kidnapped and had to face the humiliation from the society even after she was rescued.

Maya was giving him freedom as long as Arjun was within his limits & he was also happy. But he had to face Maya's other side after that incident.

In the current phase, he had cut off with everyone, manipulation, or not. It was ultimately his decision to get rid of the 2-BHK and stay in the place where he can get the luxuries. It is hard to believe that the person who was profusely crying for Maya when she was in the hospital and fought with the family for her could himself hate her to the extent of manhandling her.

In these 3 years, a lot would have happened. Both Arjun & Maya are equally responsible for their unhappy married life. Arjun was never connected to Maya with all his heart so as to understand the things that are not verbally told to him. So either he might not have loved her truly or even if he did love her, it was before his bachelor's party.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Nithu Maya knowing the reality can make her committ suicide or can put her in a path of revival. Revival can happen after she goes the extreme psychotic.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: kavsy

Good Analysis. I remember Arjun telling Saanjh from the beginning of the show that he wants to achieve this building by any means, go to many countries, etc. So it clearly means that he was ambitious. He was admiring Maya's beauty, brains, & class. Maya had initially hated Arjun & never wanted to look at his face. She was initially very cold towards him for breaking the company rules & his unprofessional behavior. He got to know Maya is afraid of darkness when he had trapped her in the lift for certain time say about 20 minutes, after having been punished.

Whenever Maya fired him from his job, he has been making an excuse to take him back and Maya didn't have any option but to do that. The hatred went on till Arjun saved her from Ashwin. Slowly and gradually they became friends. After the hospital scene, Jhanvi told Maya to give a chance to herself and tell about her feelings to Arjun to which she initially refused but eventually, she proposed to him in a hot air balloon. Arjun didn't know how to react. This was unusual as Arjun has been thinking of setting a Mayajaal for her before their friendship. However, after proposing to her, it seemed that he genuinely loved her but after Maya gave her company to him to protect herself from Ashwin, his truth came out when he got drunk at the bachelor's party. After all, a person cannot lie when they are drunk. He told Ayaan and his friends that to become rich, woo a rich girl like Maya and enjoy all the comforts. This was a shortcut. He further said that he loves Maya and whatever belongs to her, belongs to him and vice versa. He had said that Maya will be under his control and dance to his tunes. The wedding took place against Vandana's wishes. Thanks to Ashwin who has successfully injected this venom in her mind followed by her superstitious beliefs. He has done his job before dying. Maya's efforts to become a good DIL went in vain as Vandana has been too resilient, cruel and inhuman towards her.

Arjun never had any natural affection towards her. It was indirectly through Maya who made him realize the family's importance. He had given the credit to Maya for his drastic change. However, the same hatred came out once again which again it was because of Vandana's prejudice.

Maya called Vandana as mom whereas Arjun called Jhanvi as aunt instead of mom as she is his MIL. That is something very doubtful now. Jhanvi overheard Arjun's conversation with his friend who had disguised as a tantrik to make her write her confession that she had murdered Ashwin.

Now, anyone in that position would think that he is scheeming. In this angle, can anyone even call him a Duffer? I partly agree with that as he is not a complete Duffer. He is not able to read anyone's gestures or facial expressions. However, more than brains, one needs to be deeply connected to the person with their heart to the other person. True love teaches everything. If he had truly loved Maya, he would never fail to understand her gestures or expressions. After they shifted to Jhanvi's place after the accident, Arjun said that his long-term dreams have been fulfilled and he is staying in the place where he wanted. Jhanvi's eyeballs have been rotating whenever she sees him. It really wanted to say something which Maya could not understand. Maya did give him freedom but he misused it. Maya has always felt that Jhanvi has giving leniency to Ashwin, that is why he has been going to Shipra. This made her believe that controlling your loved ones is the way. Yes, every spouse does keep a track of their partners to some extent. If they are let loose, they will take you for granted.

In Ramayan, Laxman had put the lines telling Sita not to cross the line for her safety before leaving. Sita was safe as long as she was within her boundaries. When she crossed the boundary, she was kidnapped and had to face the humiliation from the society even after she was rescued.

Maya was giving him freedom as long as Arjun was within his limits & he was also happy. But he had to face Maya's other side after that incident.

In the current phase, he had cut off with everyone, manipulation, or not. It was ultimately his decision to get rid of the 2-BHK and stay in the place where he can get the luxuries. It is hard to believe that the person who was profusely crying for Maya when she was in the hospital and fought with the family for her could himself hate her to the extent of manhandling her.

In these 3 years, a lot would have happened. Both Arjun & Maya are equally responsible for their unhappy married life. Arjun was never connected to Maya with all his heart so as to understand the things that are not verbally told to him. So either he might not have loved her truly or even if he did love her, it was before his bachelor's party.


Well said Kavita.
The thing is arjun didn't love her from his heart. I mean he liked her but there's diff btwn like & love.
He thought it was right thing to do to marry the girl which is with all benefits.
And like u said definitely he never connected to maya with his heart.
He liked her may be but there's wasn't love as much as to fight for that girl.
If u love a person truly u will fight for that person. But on the first chance u get u won't escape.
And maya looking at jhanvi & her life she had grown up. So like shipra saanjh when came into her life she wanted to control her situation & keep safe from saanjh.
And wanted to protect that with all she has even sacrificed her ganesha saying thanks for his gift arjun. Bcoz she believes always arjun is answer for all her prayers from her god.
But now arjun had become so in unhappy marriage both couple are & one can't understand the other. Maya is thinking bearing all physical abuse is what protects their relationship and being in illusion protects.
But she is also wrong as well as arjun who always crossed limits in marriage & took shortcuts & never respected the hard work maya had put in that company and misused that CEO chair.
Both shud learn a lot and come out from that situation I hope.
And ending let's see.. upcoming episodes..
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Nithunavi, Arjun loved Maya. But Arjun as a superficial person and loved superficially. One of the promises, he says "Only you can come between us." He has the way to retreat. It will be Maya's fault, if it doesn't work out. He got it all very easily. And in this, Maya made a huge mistake. She loves unconditionally. She loves and gives everything she has and even more. And so it is impossible, it does not work like this
Arjun loved her until she suited him. Now when he doesn't like it, he just wants to leave, as he always does. Slam the door and leave, but Maya doesn't give. Maya keeps her promise
Arjun is ready to fight with Ashwin, with Vandana, he is ready to deal with external problems, but not with internal ones. He isn't ready to fight for a relationship, he isn't ready to fight for love, he isn't ready to fight for his Maya. He isn't looking for his Maya, he isn't looking for a reason. He just gives up
Arjun simply surrenders at the first difficulties. And one more Arjun is always late, don't forget. And now he is also very very late. And his delay can be very expensive for him, this one for real
In his head, something can change, if he loses forever. Only if he loses so that he can't return. Only after his departure from the fight will cost him the biggest loss
Maya made mistakes. Even in the case of Dusky. Look, Maya often responds in the same coin, but in her own way. She doesn't do this to Arjun. She tries to speak, when he doesn't hear, she acts, but not by her own methods
In the case of Dusky, Maya can found a friend (not safe Ayan) and a friend who would threaten Arjun would have been much more useful to her. Arjun would not need Dusky, if he knew that he could lose Maya, that Maya could be taken away from him. If Maya shook his sense of ownership and security, perhaps it brought a much more desired result than the show Holi party
Arjun drove Dusky out, but he didn't understand that he had crossed the border. So he didn't understand that it's necessary to observe the borders. Accordingly, he continued to violate it. Further Maya's control increases and reaches an high level. This is a dead end. This isn't a solution
Edited by Laska - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Nithu Maya knowing the reality can make her committ suicide or can put her in a path of revival. Revival can happen after she goes the extreme psychotic.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Laska

@Nithunavi, Arjun loved Maya. But Arjun as a superficial person and loved superficially. One of the promises, he says "Only you can come between us." He has the way to retreat. It will be Maya's fault, if it doesn't work out. He got it all very easily. And in this, Maya made a huge mistake. She loves unconditionally. She loves and gives everything she has and even more. And so it is impossible, it does not work like this

Arjun loved her until she suited him. Now when he doesn't like it, he just wants to leave, as he always does. Slam the door and leave, but Maya doesn't give. Maya keeps her promise
Arjun is ready to fight with Ashwin, with Vandana, he is ready to deal with external problems, but not with internal ones. He isn't ready to fight for a relationship, he isn't ready to fight for love, he isn't ready to fight for his Maya. He isn't looking for his Maya, he isn't looking for a reason. He just gives up
Arjun simply surrenders at the first difficulties. And one more Arjun is always late, don't forget. And now he is also very very late. And his delay can be very expensive for him, this one for real
In his head, something can change, if he loses forever. Only if he loses so that he can't return. Only after his departure from the fight will cost him the biggest loss
Maya made mistakes. Even in the case of Dusky. Look, Maya often responds in the same coin, but in her own way. She doesn't do this to Arjun. She tries to speak, when he doesn't hear, she acts, but not by her own methods
In the case of Dusky, Maya can found a friend (not safe Ayan) and a friend who would threaten Arjun would have been much more useful to her. Arjun would not need Dusky, if he knew that he could lose Maya, that Maya could be taken away from him. If Maya shook his sense of ownership and security, perhaps it brought a much more desired result than the show Holi party
Arjun drove Dusky out, but he didn't understand that he had crossed the border. So he didn't understand that it's necessary to observe the borders. Accordingly, he continued to violate it. Further Maya's control increases and reaches an high level. This is a dead end. This isn't a solution


The coloured part very much true.
And u have explained it well too everything.
His violation resulted in dead end but that end costs him one life or one relationship I guess.
Let's see... like samay said "I have set right many people like u" on those lines he may be going to guide arjun further or its maya.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nithunavi


The coloured part very much true.
And u have explained it well too everything.
His violation resulted in dead end but that end costs him one life or one relationship I guess.
Let's see... like samay said "I have set right many people like u" on those lines he may be going to guide arjun further or its maya.

It's like pundit's predictions, yes, came true
But in that it come true, it's not only Maya's fault, and sometimes it's not her fault at all. Each participant of the process put his efforts into this result
Now in the life Arjun and Maya there is no Vandana and Dusky, but this doesn't mean that they aren't responsible for the mess that occurs between this two
There is a reason, and there is an consequence. We see the life of Arjuna and Maya, they both made mistakes (Arjun is already unforgivable), but these aren't all events. What happened three years ago also left a mark on further developments. Whether it is Vandana who not accept Maya or Dusky, who betray Maya
This is a series of random events, each of which led to the result of X
It is entirely possible that by eliminating just one such random event, one could get a completely different result
I think it will cost Arjun and nerve cells, and relationships and life. This will be his complete defeat. But he will not understand this right away. He will be late even then. Samay here sounds very ironic. Time must correct and fix a person who never listened and respected the time, who wasted time thoughtlessly

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