'You can never love anyone to your own detriment...'| 6th feb-epi 85.

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'You can never love anyone to your own detriment. That is not love, that is possession, control, fear or a combination of them all'. - Iyanla Vanzant.

The precap wasn't misleading. It was all real. 😳 I'm sure there'll be a dozen justifications on Maya's behalf on the forum for that as well and some quite amusing one's, I suppose. 😆 What almost cracked me up was, Maya was like, a feet away from Vandana, Saanjh and Arjun and no one saw a car that was SO CLOSE to them. 😆

Like I have always said, I don't find Vandana the evil-mother-witch-hell-bent on ruining her son's happiness. I have always found her concerns and insecurities understandable just like I have been able to see where every character in there comes from. She's scared out of her wits and she's doing what she believes is right, any mother would. I'm glad though that Saanjh played the role of an anchor today. Not fretting at the first chance Vandana offered because she's understood that whatever Maya's truth may be and whatever she must be like, Arjun and Maya in her eyes deserve a chance to work together as a team and make their marriage work since they both love each other.

The most interesting piece of today's episode for me was Arjun's bachelor party bits. There's a certain sense of fear that has taken over him. He thinks, hesitates and is reluctant to do all that he likes doing and would have done without a thought hadn't Maya been in his life. Note how he's not imagining a Maya who is sulking or is angry at him for dancing with other women, not the general kind of jealous would-be wives you get to see under such scenarios on tv. He's imagining a Maya he's not sure of how she'd react, he's sceptical, he's afraid, he's unsure. Just so unsure of it all because as much as he says he loves her, he still doesn't realize it himself that he probably doesn't completely trust her.


I'm not bothered as to whether the marriage will take place or not. I'll just look forward to what these hyped tracks will bring in for me as an audience and for Maya, Arjun, Saanjh and everyone in there. Not going to fret over the various articles or spoilers as I'd instead just like to wait and watch.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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I dont agree that arjun is afraid of doing things due to maya or he would have done this if maya was not there..
He is a commited guy now and evn if he was marrying sanjh or anyone othr girl he would have actd the same.
His hallucinations was mainly bcoz he know he is doing wrong..
Evn beofre maya appeared in his illusions today, he refused to party with girls stating he is getting married tom.. He only drank, danced in influence of ayan and frnds and not due to his own desire. Evrytime his frnds teased him and so he went ahead.
Its like when we are doing something whch we know our parents wont approve. So in mind our parents warning comes and we try to back off but due toh friends pressure and to act cool, we end up doing that.
He acted today just to be cool in front of his friends.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Was it actually maya or is she driving him schizo? Whatever it is, I can see the beyhadh thingy slowly taking over. How Maya will slowly become the only dimension for him , driving him towards insanity. Yep I can sense that. All the predictions of the pandits - and he'll have to stand for himself , for the sake of sanity.
Also, precap is real. Damn. I don't mind though. I mean I kinda knew it from the 1st promo. So going by that this is hardly a surprise. Also, Vandana's fears are justified from her Pov.
Saanjh, today was really mature and cool. Wish to see more of her cool thingy.

But the biggest (almost) plot twist was of Arjun. Maybe he actually dated her for money and power. Maybe. That would be dope though.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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i know y u felt precap misleading. first that car scene was not directed properly . arjun/saanjh doesn't know what is car no. of maya? i guess lack of space. if u notice maya was wearing black n blue dress ( which is maya wearing bar scene ). but they used old clip of maya in white when they wanted to show maya trying drive over saanjh n vandana. plus close up of maya shot separately n body double used for distant scene.


i don't know y i feel its not arjun's imagination rather maya watching arjun closely.

n even if it's imagination, it doesn't look out of guilt or love but fear!!! as if arjun knows manic side of maya!!

i knew deep inside ( along with feelings for maya don't know if it is love/lust/care/gratitude /sympathy) , arjun's hunger for power n money is also there. alcohol removes all inhibition.

i liked vandana 's dialogues about love vs obsession.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sellysona

I dont agree that arjun is afraid of doing things due to maya or he would have done this if maya was not there..
He is a commited guy now and evn if he was marrying sanjh or anyone othr girl he would have actd the same.
His hallucinations was mainly bcoz he know he is doing wrong..
Evn beofre maya appeared in his illusions today, he refused to party with girls stating he is getting married tom.. He only drank, danced in influence of ayan and frnds and not due to his own desire. Evrytime his frnds teased him and so he went ahead.
Its like when we are doing something whch we know our parents wont approve. So in mind our parents warning comes and we try to back off but due toh friends pressure and to act cool, we end up doing that.
He acted today just to be cool in front of his friends.


I don't understand the forum's need to bring Saanjh in every time there's a discussion on Maya. I don't mean you particularly, its just a general observation. Its almost like, for anything and everything Maya does, says or anything even remotely related to her, most people go, 'agar iske jagah Saanjh hoti toh so and so person wouldn't have reacted, would have accepted, would been okay, etc'.

Anyhoo, the bachelor party concept is essentially a western one but seems to have become a common fad everywhere. So, while I don't personally like the concept either, I don't really get the argument of it being 'wrong'. What wrong did he do exactly? He's partied like most fictional would-be husbands do before their marriage.

You can look at it that way but I don't. I could see that sense of fear, although its quite subtle as of now but not so abstruse enough for me to not be able to see it all. Those later bits of him bragging about having successfully won over a rich girl were just show though, that I agree. He didn't mean he didn't love or did it all just for the riches.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: NAUCholic

Was it actually maya or is she driving him schizo? Whatever it is, I can see the beyhadh thingy slowly taking over. How Maya will slowly become the only dimension for him , driving him towards insanity. Yep I can sense that. All the predictions of the pandits - and he'll have to stand for himself , for the sake of sanity.

Also, precap is real. Damn. I don't mind though. I mean I kinda knew it from the 1st promo. So going by that this is hardly a surprise. Also, Vandana's fears are justified from her Pov.
Saanjh, today was really mature and cool. Wish to see more of her cool thingy.

But the biggest (almost) plot twist was of Arjun. Maybe he actually dated her for money and power. Maybe. That would be dope though.


Exactly. The beyhadh thing-y seems to be slowly taking over now. I must admit, that always has been the concept of the show and I think, I kinda like it.

No no, there's a confusion, I didn't mean the precap of at the end of this episode, I meant I didn't expect the first scene of today's episode to be real. I thought Maya is in some other place and Saanjh-Vandana are at their house and it was edited for the last episode's precap in a misleading way to confuse us. Point being, I didn't expect Maya would so readily go for the kill. She stopped, of course but that wasn't because of the goodness of her heart but because the only chain that still ties her to her human roots showed up; Arjun.

Yeah, I liked Saanjh's poised demeanour today too.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: .annihilation.



I don't understand the forum's need to bring Saanjh in every time there's a discussion on Maya. I don't mean you particularly, its just a general observation. Its almost like, for anything and everything Maya does, says or anything even remotely related to her, most people go, 'agar iske jagah Saanjh hoti toh so and so person wouldn't have reacted, would have accepted, would been okay, etc'.

Anyhoo, the bachelor party concept is essentially a western one but seems to have become a common fad everywhere. So, while I don't personally like the concept either, I don't really get the argument of it being 'wrong'. What wrong did he do exactly? He's partied like most fictional would-be husbands do before their marriage.

You can look at it that way but I don't. I could see that sense of fear, although its quite subtle as of now but not so abstruse enough for me to not be able to see it all. Those later bits of him bragging about having successfully won over a rich girl were just show though, that I agree. He didn't mean he didn't love or did it all just for the riches.


Aare yaar, by bringinning sanjh, i didnt mean to compare or critisize her. I just want to tlk about natural men behaviour. Maya is shown to be dominating here so i wanted to say evn if he was not getting married to a dominating person, he would hve behaved the same.
Though bachelor partys are becoming comnon in india, still a brides are not open minded in india still, to let her to be husbsnd enjoy bachelor partys. Infact in various shws evn bride gatecrashes bachelor party to stop it.
I rarely badmouth sanjh unneccesarily but common now i cant evn use her in any reply. Is evn mentioning her, means to crticize her..
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Originally posted by: SaurabhKiRadha

i know y u felt precap misleading. first that car scene was not directed properly . arjun/saanjh doesn't know what is car no. of maya? i guess lack of space. if u notice maya was wearing black n blue dress ( which is maya wearing bar scene ). but they used old clip of maya in white when they wanted to show maya trying drive over saanjh n vandana. plus close up of maya shot separately n body double used for distant scene.


i don't know y i feel its not arjun's imagination rather maya watching arjun closely.

n even if it's imagination, it doesn't look out of guilt or love but fear!!! as if arjun knows manic side of maya!!

i knew deep inside ( along with feelings for maya don't know if it is love/lust/care/gratitude /sympathy) , arjun's hunger for power n money is also there. alcohol removes all inhibition.

i liked vandana 's dialogues about love vs obsession.


I explained the precap confusion in my reply to NAUCholic. 😆 Yes, I noticed those details too. I'm not too sure either if it was Arjun's imagination or if Maya was actually keeping a watch over him. It could be either of the two.

No no, he's drunk and he's just bragging and showing off to appear cool in front of his friends. He does love Maya but he loves only that one shade of hers which he's aware of.

I personally do not believe that alcohol removes all inhibitions. Its a rather false belief, imo, popularised by these fictional tv shows/movies. A person under the influence of alcohol is only capable of doing two things I believe, either talk absolute rubbish or behave in an inappropriate manner.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: SaurabhKiRadha

i know y u felt precap misleading. first that car scene was not directed properly . arjun/saanjh doesn't know what is car no. of maya? i guess lack of space. if u notice maya was wearing black n blue dress ( which is maya wearing bar scene ). but they used old clip of maya in white when they wanted to show maya trying drive over saanjh n vandana. plus close up of maya shot separately n body double used for distant scene.


i don't know y i feel its not arjun's imagination rather maya watching arjun closely.

n even if it's imagination, it doesn't look out of guilt or love but fear!!! as if arjun knows manic side of maya!!

i knew deep inside ( along with feelings for maya don't know if it is love/lust/care/gratitude /sympathy) , arjun's hunger for power n money is also there. alcohol removes all inhibition.

i liked vandana 's dialogues about love vs obsession.


It was definiately due to fear..
I personally have experinced it. Whn living in hostel, whn i went to a fair with friends for the first time, i was so paranoid that i actually thought i was seeing my relatives( who lived in that city) in the market.. Well ofcourse i didnot hallunicated but still i kept checking every faces.. It happened only for the first time though 😃

And yes, your observation about old clip in that car scene is right. In bar scene she is having mehndi but in car seen she doesnot have mehndi in her hands..
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sellysona



Aare yaar, by bringinning sanjh, i didnt mean to compare or critisize her. I just want to tlk about natural men behaviour. Maya is shown to be dominating here so i wanted to say evn if he was not getting married to a dominating person, he would hve behaved the same.
Though bachelor partys are becoming comnon in india, still a brides are not open minded in india still, to let her to be husbsnd enjoy bachelor partys. Infact in various shws evn bride gatecrashes bachelor party to stop it.
I rarely badmouth sanjh unneccesarily but common now i cant evn use her in any reply. Is evn mentioning her, means to crticize her..


I apologise if I sounded rude but it was just an instant reaction because I have seen it happen so much on the forum. I must have misread your words. Most of these fictional brides are shown to be sulking that men get to party, are shown to be jealous or like you said, gate-crashing the party and scaring the dancers/other women away. Notice how different Maya's reactions were (whether or not it was Arjun's imagination), she looked and behaved like she's keeping a watch over him. The 'my-eyes-are-on-you-so-beware' look. We can always agree to disagree though. 😃

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