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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: SRKLuvr

Comparing Anandi to Jogia in this situation is completely mind boggling😕 Anandi loved Jogia truly however he ditched her and married elsewhere. So then she accepted the marriage her family chose for her and then learned to accept her fate and began to love her new husband even if it did take time. How does this compare to Jogia leaving two wives who he professed to love and now marrying a third and saying the same thing to her. Learning to compromise with your fate is very different to Jogia's continuous loving, marrying and leaving girls of his own choice.

Anandi long love is vansished in this serial🤢 who know the present love can be also vanished by marrying someone else😆 if you can compare Cowri and Ganga we will also do the same thing and Anandi is not a great maharani🤢
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: SRKLuvr

Sorry but where in my post is there anything about supporting child marriage and wife abuse? I fail to see what point you are trying to make. Anandi didn't love cheaply she simply learned to move on with the man she had married which her family had decided for her happiness and that too she didn't fall in love with Shiv until quite some time after she married him but Jogia? He chooses his wives himself (he had loved even Anandi when he was 18) and then leaves them once he deems fit. Saying Jogia is better than Anandi in character is just amusing😆 And before talking about my spelling please check yours first😊 Also, try to stay on topic of the serial and keep the personal attacks to yourself.

Anandi didn't loved Jagya deeply 😆 Supporting Gauri's marriage= Supporting wife abuse🥱
Supporting her childmarriage bond= supporting childmarriage🤓
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Posted: 11 years ago
We cant compare anandi and Jagya. For a woman it is not easy to accept another man. Even for a man it is not easy. Remember Jagya somehow wanted to talk and keep in touch with anandi while he was with gauri? Here who is great and who is not is irrelevant as the circumstances and temperaments are completely different. Cant compare apples with oranges or vice versa.

Jagya is in a confused state as of now. He cares for ganga. He was pushed to marry ganga by circumstances and sumitra's behaviour. He would have convinced them slowly if sanchi did not happen. Or if sanchi did not happen, if no pressure of marriage was on him, he would have remained a merry bachelor for the rest of his life dedicating his life to the hospital. Just like Sanchi's, Ganga's also was a one side love for a long time. Now Jagya is giving legal and moral protection to ganga by marrying her. I will believe it is love when Jagya desires her.

It is complex, girls. Chill.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Skep , i see it this way

I agree with u about the regressive mindset . The very 'Anandi saasra' thing is the regressive mindset . To please the sasuralwallahs go to ANY extent ...even selling your son off to become their damad when he is repeatedly telling i DON'T want to marry that girl .

They sold off girls like this to please sasuralwallahs . If a rishta was fixed and the girl's brother suggested marrying the groom's sister , it was immediately complied with ...to please the sasural of the girl getting married . Often , the groom's mother cleverly used this as a leverage to get the maximum for her son .

Well , whether its a girl being sold off or a man like Jagya it is a social evil and this jabardasti MUST be protested against .

The regressive mindset in BV implies as u said OBEDIENCE is being GOOD . IMPLICIT OBEDIENCE . Not protesting against any decision of atrocious 'ELDERS' is goodness .

Why is Anandi good ? Coz she does NOT personally protest against any atrocity meted out to her . She was ok being Jagya's wife forever ...she was respecting the choices made by ELDERS . That gratified their ego . She is doing it even now . Bearing the nonsense of Shiv's family and accepting trashy treatment by making various excuses for them

its NATURAL for them to get angry

Shiv is being just a BIG BROTHER

yada yada .

Why is Jagya BAD ? Coz he shows the guts to protest and question . Rightly or wrongly he PROTESTS . Whether its Gauri or Ganga , he makes his own choices which is unacceptable to them .

What r the punishments for this rebellion from the flock and not accepting herd mentality ?

Family ostracization and cutting off from property .

Then he should 'WIN' them over . He should bend backwards and forward to please those dominant tyrants and when they thaw , he just might be graciously accepted .

This is the nonsense BV consistently shows .

When in reality

the social evil is the fear of the 'saasra' . The Haveli lot was feared when they were the 'saasra' . Their position changed when the Shekhars became the 'saasra' . They wore sophisticated masks but the mentality was exactly same ...regressive .

So i see regression THERE .

But i don't see regression in Jagya's dialogue coz I see it in the context shown . The girl may run away bcoz of the massive guilt complex laid on her by both the families ...they were VICIOUS . He hastens to stop her each time . Its in language she understands ...either devimaa , or niyati , or patni dharma . The bottom line is he does not want to lose her . Its both ...his passion surfacing like a volcano and the haste to lessen her guilt and somehow keep her by his side .

He gave her an education , a vocation and stressed on the need to become financially independent . He took her away from regression to progression by each act . He could easily have employed her as a maid servant for life in his house ...but he did not . He was not satisfied with that and searched and searched for a way to give her life a better meaning .

If u notice , its Jagya who begs her to not leave him . Coz he knows , she CAN . She has capacity to be financially independent today . So the progressive man falls back on the mentality she has been reared with since childhood . And it works . Forget being really able to FORBID her from doing anything ...he showed her ways of breaking free ...DIVORCE.
It is emotional talk , bas .

The social evil then is the fear of miffing the girl's saasra .

The effect is Torture of the girl , that has started with Anandi .

What BV should show is not these elders being placated or won over but THEM realising their own mistake .

Dialogues like 'We cannot put the life of our son on line for Anandi's saasra'[ Bhairo to full family]

'' Marraige to u was NOT my upliftment but simply a decision and i think now that the decision was wrong .' [ Anandi to Shiv]

MUST be put in to show the other side of the coin .

Regarding Lal Singh .

I think his pleasant , neutral , not getting overtly involved with the Singhs is a perfect stand . Like Vidura in Mahabharat who had connection with the Pandavas and Kauravas both .

There is no reason for all like Basant Gehna , Lal Singh to take stands . It is very much necessary to have characters that observe by sitting on the fence munching an apple . They will jump down from the fence when necessary . Taking an emotional hard and fast stand sometimes denotes immaturity . While it was imperative for Anandi not to sit on fences , it is necessary for these characters and again ... i say so by seeing the context .😊











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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: leavesandwaves

We cant compare anandi and Jagya. For a woman it is not easy to accept another man. Even for a man it is not easy. Remember Jagya somehow wanted to talk and keep in touch with anandi while he was with gauri? Here who is great and who is not is irrelevant as the circumstances and temperaments are completely different. Cant compare apples with oranges or vice versa.

Jagya is in a confused state as of now. He cares for ganga. He was pushed to marry ganga by circumstances and sumitra's behaviour. He would have convinced them slowly if sanchi did not happen. Or if sanchi did not happen, if no pressure of marriage was on him, he would have remained a merry bachelor for the rest of his life dedicating his life to the hospital. Just like Sanchi's, Ganga's also was a one side love for a long time. Now Jagya is giving legal and moral protection to ganga by marrying her. I will believe it is love when Jagya desires her.

It is complex, girls. Chill.

But haters can't understand it :/
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ZenerDiode



in this Indian society it is chugli skep.

I said in my previous post that Laal asked the reason .focus on style of delivery of dialogue. he had no intention to inform jagya. he was in pure perception that jagya does not want ganga to come back again jaitser because jagya is aware of her love and same he asked him. otherwise why he would say i should not have to say this. like he was interfering in his life by asking reason . that why dont you want her in jaitser just because she loves you??? is it sounding kinda informing??

it s not double standard. it s single standard. He again questioned for his commitment. ..


It is absolutely fine if he is ditched. he can start his clinic too. it was bhairon who requested him to handle hospital. laal dint go and begged him for job




I am well versed with Indian society.

Talking about a crucial matter is not chugli.

If my friend is cheating on his wife and he hasn't even told his girlfriend about his wife then shouldn't it be my duty to inform his family especially when they ask me how's everything going? But LS hid things from them.

Of course LS can work anywhere. But Singhs need to realise he is not a man to be trusted.

LS had not just questioned him. After Jagya replied to him, he confirmed this and even said that Anandi also knew about it.

He's a faker!
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Posted: 11 years ago
Coz he shows the guts to protest and question . Rightly or wrongly he PROTESTS . Whether its Gauri or Ganga , he makes his own choices which is unacceptable to them .

Its both ...his passion surfacing like a volcano and the haste to lessen her guilt and somehow keep her by his side .

It is very much necessary to have characters that observe by sitting on the fence munching an apple . They will jump down from the fence when necessary .


Well said 👏



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Posted: 11 years ago
skep what you think be it. I don't think he is fake.
I feel it is chugli and doing idhar ki udhar and i don't find it as a good thing


where sings are always right. if they can feel that jagya is not changed so how can they identify if laal is wrong or right

He realized that jagya does not know after getting shocked impressions from jagya. so he informed then that A also knew about it. 1st was question only . it was not information ever



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Posted: 11 years ago
@Kools

I have always said this show and dialogues etc. are all regressive. I've never defended DS and Singhs.

I understand what you said. But still words used by either Jagya or Singhs were backward mindset.

On one hand you say Ganga is educated and capable of leaving him and being independent now. While on other hand you keep saying she needs such words from Jagya to be persuaded? Is it not contradictory?

I don't see Lal Singh as Vidura at all. Not even remotely.

He definitely is not entirely loyal to anyone. He'll today support someone else. Tomorrow go to someone else.

He has fed off Singhs for years yet is not bothered about them or Jagya's reconciliation with them.

His role is very questionable. He's always see-sawing between people.
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Posted: 11 years ago
@Zener

I don't know how you can call it chugli! Informing parents/guardians is not chugli. If someone is getting into something wrong that can affect him and his family, and if other person comes to know about it then should tell his family - especially when they ask if everything is alright!

Lal Singh betrayed Anandi and Singhs by not telling what Jagya was upto. He betrayed Gauri also by not telling her about Jagya.

He betrayed Jagya and rather let him ruin his life and live in a lie by not revealing his truth.

Merely quarelling with him or stopping all talks with him were no solution.

Chugli is when you indulge in plain gossip. Not when you tell truth to others and warn them about what's in store for them - especially when they ask you and express faith in you!

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