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Posted: 12 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: sectoreight

But don't you feel that the singhs themselves are responsible for this by integrating her into the family and the family functions/pujas to begin with. They opened their arms to her and told her that she is just like family. Naturally she took it at face value. What is wrong in what she did here? I hold the singhs responsible for giving her that much entry into their family affairs. She was naturally carried away because she had never been part of a loving family. Now suddenly she is seen as an intruder. This blow-hot/blow-cold approach is not nice by the singhs.
I feel that there should definitely have been a distance between them after Jagya's engagement to saanchi, but don't you feel that it is for Jagya himself to draw the line? I mean ganga is not throwing herself at him in any way. She happens to be completely at his mercy right now, financially and accommodation wise. If he wants to come near her, she cannot really say no, (or can she?)
Ashima was an independent professional. If she didn't get the love she was looking for she backed off because she was not dependent on shiv either for money or for a roof over her head.
I'm not challenging you, just asking questions which came to my mind when I read your post. Please don't take it otherwise.



sectoreight, you make an excellent point about Ganga's background which has lead to her life getting so closely entangled with the Singhs. Considering that it was the first time Ganga knew what it meant to be part of a loving family, she cannot be faulted for trying to assimilate herself into it, to see herself as a part of it and perhaps given her implicit attraction to Jagya, she must have unconsciously wanted to become a legal member of the family. It is natural that she got carried away, and unconsciously she was trying to cling on to the place that had offered her security and love for the first time in her life.

I also agree with you that the Singhs gave her too much freedom. The Singhs are kind to everyone and try to help all, surely both them and Ganga should have known that her stay at the haveli was temporary? I find it uncharacteristic and unrealistic of the Singhs that as much as they could have supported Ganga and her child, given her a place to stay, opportunity to study and moral and emotional support, they should not have let her interfere in the close family matters.

There are certain boundaries regarding family matters which no other person can cross without repercussions, and Ganga was shown to overstep those boundaries, dispensing free advice. In the same context, I found Anandi telling Ganga to take care of the Singhs strange as Ganga was an abused woman who needed to be rehabilitated, and not a part of the Singhs family.

Ideally the Singhs should have set firmer boundaries. It was the overlapping of the delicate family boundaries that made Sumitra feel challenged in her own house. It was a very natural reaction to see an outsider however sweet and good, taking too much freedom in her house. Ganga should have taken the hints at that time itself. But even after getting repeated hints from Sumitra, she continues to want to cook for the Singhs, organise Jagya's birthday party, dance, bake cakes etc. when she should have been thinking of her future and where she would go from here.

I found the whole birthday arrangements and Ganga's tears over the shagun quite out of place. Also the line 'I am not worthy of you' in her emotional letter to Jagya and how she walked out in the rain, with flashbacks of their moments together. As Dadisa requested her, she could have waited till he and Bhairon came, discussed the matter and Bhairon / Jagya would have arranged for her to stay elsewhere until she leaves for Mangalore.

I do agree the distancing should have been from both sides. Jagya has made a commitment and should have honored it - like he could have taken someone else along with him to the court (not just him and Ganga showing up for the latter's divorce case) and arranged for a responsible person to drop Ganga at Mangalore.

I did not think that you are challenging me at all. I appreciate and respect the way you hold discussions on this forum. I understand where you are coming from, and I really like the way you clearly put forth interesting questions open for discussion.

More than watching the serial itself, I enjoy reading such thoughtful discussions here. I miss the posts by members like woman11, tinoo etc. who used to write similar long and wonderful posts analysing the show and relating it to real life social norms and situations. I simply ignore the aggressive posts by members who are determined to prove that only their views are correct, and don't bother to read them at all.

It is a pleasure to be part of such civil discussions where the members openly share their views and respectfully agree to disagree at times. 😊

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Posted: 12 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: aa112233



I found Anandi telling Ganga to take care of the Singhs strange as Ganga was an abused woman who needed to be rehabilitated, and not a part of the Singhs family.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Good one!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: charuluv_SV

@bold above.i wont accept this how he know Anandi had no feelings for J,then what about the behaviour of Anandi after post marriage😕

@blue above,i wont agree with this also,J till now have feelings for anandi he itself told to anandi,now he is trying get over it with the help of Ganga thats y he like to be close(as a friend) with her becoz for him ganga only understands him verywell than any other family members.



I think sectoreight will have some answer for this.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: aa112233


Ideally the Singhs should have set firmer boundaries. It was the overlapping of the delicate family boundaries that made Sumitra feel challenged in her own house. It was a very natural reaction to see an outsider however sweet and good, taking too much freedom in her house. Ganga should have taken the hints at that time itself. But even after getting repeated hints from Sumitra, she continues to want to cook for the Singhs, organise Jagya's birthday party, dance, bake cakes etc. when she should have been thinking of her future and where she would go from here.

This part I completely agree with. I can see how Ganga was suddenly puzzled by Sumitra's rabid turnaround...but at the same time she should definitely have picked up first on the tight lipped coldness and later her explicit hostility. The birthday celebrations were unnecessary or should have been done under sumitra's guidance. In the absence of any green signal from sumitra, she should have limited herself to her room and done some activity to enhance herself.
I don't think that she should have been thinking of her future ...because she had already done that. The birthday planning etc. were not done at the expense of her studies or her training or her future... there are natural time gaps in between exams ... and ganga has achieved all goals she set for herself in the last eight months... but definitely she should have backed off just because sumitra disliked her.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: leavesandwaves



I think sectoreight will have some answer for this.



U r absolutely right that Shiv knows there's no love between the two and Anandhi had no feelings for J. But still he asked her to confirm.
But in Sanchi's case even a dump-*** can understand that J had no feelings for Sanchi then y can't she ask him.

And v can't blame J in this matter coz this was initiated by Sanchi and initially her family didnt like but were forced to ask Singhs family and even Singhs were not interested but agreed coz they feared for Anandhi's life, and Jagya agreed for the sake of anandhi's happiness (he was not even allowed to speak with her). And now v blaming J for everything 😕 actually he was forced for this rishta, he become a victim of the game initiated by Sanchi.

Actually J is not ready for any new relationship that is y he is unable to realize his love towards Ganga. I hope this separation between him and Ganga will help him to realize his true love 😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: charuluv_SV

bold above.i wont accept this how he know Anandi had no feelings for J,then what about the behaviour of Anandi after post marriage😕

@blue above,i wont agree with this also,J till now have feelings for anandi he itself told to anandi,now he is trying get over it with the help of Ganga thats y he like to be close(as a friend) with her becoz for him ganga only understands him verywell than any other family members.

Charuluv,
can you tell me which behaviour of anandi after post marriage you are referring to?? If you mean the suhaag raat where she was unwilling to sleep with shiv... then I don't think she was doing it to save herself for jagya should he ever come back again . She did not respond to shiv for completely different reasons ... she was scared of physical intimacy when she did not have emotional intimacy with him.
If you are referring to some other incident please let me know.
Also, yes, J has told both shiv and anandi that he has feelings for anandi. But those "feelings" are all bogus ... he was never in love with anandi, and he just sort of had an ego prick that anandi found someone else... he had always thought of her to live forever in the haveli even if he was with gauri... it never occurred to him that she would divorce him, it never occurred to him that someone else would find anandi attractive and they would get engaged...he just missed the familiarity of having anandi at his beck and call. Shiv could see this too.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#47
Its very difficult to imagine sanchi putting aside her pathetic nature.Because from the beggining the character was full of herself,arrogant,ill mannered and used to insult the person in front of everybody and not for a moment she used to feel bad for that person whom she insulted.

If sanchi and sumitra wouldn't have react the way they are reacting jagya ganga story would have been just like shiv ashima and anandi.Shiv didn't have any feelings for ashima,he didn't even know that ashima loves him,same goes with jagya.The difference is shiv used to love anandi but jagya doesn't love sanchi.Anandi knows ashima loves shiv just like sanchi got the hint that ganga loves jagya.Anandi didn't tell shiv that ashima loves him,sanchi also didn't reveal that ganga loves jagya.So should anandi expect that shiv should not retain the friendship with ashima!Ashima kept herself far away from this two and ganga will do the same,she is going far away from jaitser for three long years.Yes,jagya has said her that she has to come back to jaitser hospital,its normal.Jagya is not in love with ganga,he just want to make sure that ganga has reached manglore and got the admission properly.Its his responsibility,if I have said that I will take the responsibility of doing whatever is needed for a person then I have to fulfil it.Jagya brought ganga to haveli knowing his family, thinking ganga will never be ill treated here.But what did he saw his own mother is screaming,calling the person curse,stranger at her face.If my mother insults my friend I will definitely ask her how can you behave like this!Ratan singh incident was a fear for sumitra not for jagya.Sumi believes that ganga was responsible not jagya.Even after that he was behaving quite normally with the whole family in the hospital when the delivery incident happened.That means when he saw ganga mannu safe he forgot everything and tried his best to understand the feelings of his mother and his whole family.Jagya is fully prepared for the engagement,he was happily talking with sanchi,he even said that he will go shopping but first he wants to finish the responsibility.Everyone is hell bent to stop him from helping ganga,why!If someone suspects that I am in love with a person which is not true then mera to maan karega ke ek jhapar marke uska mun tor dun.If sanchi feels like that then she should clearly convey that she is not liking it but as she herself knows that she is wrong thats the reason she is not saying anything on top of that she is saving the scolding incident to taunt jagya in future.Jagya likes ganga more than sanchi,he doesn't loves ganga but definitely he likes ganga more than sanchi also he knows ganga before he met sanchi.Both of the are within their limit and they are not crossing the line.Its sanchi who is crossing the line to marry jagya.The girl who can fall in love with her bhabhi's ex is totally a gone case in my opinion.That girl don't have any self respect.As jagya is a doctor I don't think he believes in mahurat,sanchi also doesn't care as she had the audacity to bribe the pandit,so if someone says that there is no mahurat in 4 months other than 16th then he will definitely say I don,t believe such things.If I would have been in his place I would say the same.And other thing is they told jagya that it is only suryapujan and naam karan ceremony in 16th,they didn't reveal that the engagement is also in the same date.So if now they say that engagement date is also the same the first thing should come in jagya's mind is kuch to gadbaad hai.If I would have been in jagya's place then I would have definitely thought just to stop me from going they are deliberately doing this with me,koi agar planning na bhi kar raha hota to bhi main yehi sochti ke kuch fishy hai.And I would definitely re check it.But as it is a drama jagya will not check it and sanchi will be successful in all her planning plotting.I hope sanchi ka paap ka ghada tootne mein cvs another 2 years na laga de.It has been one year sanchi is continuously doing nasty things and never get caught.Its enough.If I would have been in sanchi's place I would never been so insecure.He has problems within herself so she is doing such things deliberately.She is an insult in the name of woman.She deserves all the phatkaars.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I think it is wrong to call the engagement "a game initiated by saanchi"...
she is a game-player and manipulative in many contexts ... but her intentions with respect to the engagement were very pure. She was genuinely in love with Jagdish. (or she felt emotions which she thinks are love).
I do believe that this engagement nonsense is the fault of the shekhars. At the very least, they could have told saanchi to meet up with jagdish in private, have a conversation and see how he feels about her. Then if he was also agreeable, then at that point, they could have gone to singhs to formalize it.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@tiny15 --
I love how you come in each thread and hit the like buttons in hot pink letters 🤗
But do you never feel like commenting? 😆😆 Value your views. Please do say your views.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sectoreight

Charuluv,
can you tell me which behaviour of anandi after post marriage you are referring to?? If you mean the suhaag raat where she was unwilling to sleep with shiv... then I don't think she was doing it to save herself for jagya should he ever come back again . She did not respond to shiv for completely different reasons ... she was scared of physical intimacy when she did not have emotional intimacy with him.
If you are referring to some other incident please let me know.
Also, yes, J has told both shiv and anandi that he has feelings for anandi. But those "feelings" are all bogus ... he was never in love with anandi, and he just sort of had an ego prick that anandi found someone else... he had always thought of her to live forever in the haveli even if he was with gauri... it never occurred to him that she would divorce him, it never occurred to him that someone else would find anandi attractive and they would get engaged...he just missed the familiarity of having anandi at his beck and call. Shiv could see this too.



Not bogus. When a man sees his neglected wife happy with another man, then only he realises. The wife whom he has taken for granted suddenly looks attractive and desirable.
Jagya cried so much and I dont think it is only ego prick. It is about the loss of a wife. He never cried like that for Gauri though he loved her more. and when he realised that anandi has gone forever, ganga's well being became a sort of emotional support for him. And he cant see ganga or sanchi as wife material means that the place anandi has in his heart cant be taken by anyone easily.

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