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Posted: 13 years ago
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I personally would put that ass in jail :)

... i think anandi doesn't take legal action against him because of the family ... even though they were urging her to do so, she knows that they will not get any satisfaction out of it, that they will be immeasurably sad (though they won't show her) ... its a fact that parents always wish well for their children even when they turn out to be world class jerks ... Sumitra surely prays for jagats health and happiness and even bhairon don't wish him ill ... breaking all relationship with the son and actually sending him to jail are two very different things ... Anadi, i guess doesn't want them to suffer anymore ...

... or maybe she still carries a torch for him *head-desk*
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Tinoo, must appreciate that you come out with nice topics for discussion :)

Coming to your point, I think it depends on an individual personality. Some people are more vengeful than others. While some others, even though their self-respect is hurt, they let it go because they do not want to create more fights and drama. Also at times they may be looking at a bigger picture, and sometimes just because we love the other person so much, we just let it be.

In Anandi's case she did not revenge from Jagya because;
- She understood that their relationship was straining, so she set him free
- Whenever he insulted her, she took it as a positive criticism and tried to develop herself
-When he brought G home, she obviously felt very bad but she found strength through her supporting family and was able to withhold it. She also looked at a bigger picture and did not create dramas in front of the society.
-She values the fact that Singhs have treated her well and is thankful for that. So she believes in live and let live.
- She helped Jagya with finances, which was a hard thing to do but I think she loves J so dearly that she can't see him suffer... Here you can say 'Love is blind'

As far as self-respect is concerned, she exactly knows when to fight and who to fight against.
She bashed G quite a few times, when G tried to put A down. Because G is an outsider and does not have anyright to bash A anyhow, so A protected her self-respect

However DS also ruined A's self-respect many times, but A instead always thought of harmonising. She never gave back to DS because they are family

With respect to Phooli, she cannot blame Bharat completely because Phooli very well knew that it was naata, but she did fight for her child.

So I think to draw a line between self -esteem and self-respect one has to consider the strength of relationship they share with the other person and the situations that has led to dis-respect.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: woman11

Jagya is not a habitual womanizer, he's stopped at just two 😆.

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Oh that was hilarious!! I laughed so hard when I read this line. The picture of Jagya womanizing several women at a time in Mumbai is priceless! Jagya, the social evil. 😃😃😃😃😃. too funny.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Suchi-NivReniac

Anandi a doormat?


wow! amazing.

Tomorrow if she becomes the minister even then she will be a doormat, why?she did not punish jagya..

She does not want to give a hoot about Jagya.
She wants him to live his life and her, her own!

I feel bad for Anandi that no matter how much success she might achieve in her life , she will be still judged by 'jagya's influence' in her life.


Suchi, I really had to think about this post of yours. How would I feel if anandi became chief minister of rajasthan and did not punish jagya ? how would i feel if anandi became prime minister and did not punish jagya?
I think I would still see her as a doormat.
To me -- all these are different buckets -- career, intellectual, personal life, health etc. etc.
and success or achievement in one field does not compensate for (or vice versa take away from) success or achievement in another field.
If she became chief minister of rajasthan, i would applaud her for that achievement and still view herself as a doormat when it comes to her personal life.
(This is just me -- others may have other lenses where success/achievement in one area compensates for problems/lack of achievement in other areas - but I dont.)
So, in my vocabulary, a doormat doesnt necessarily have to be someone who does nothing with her life but sits in dadisa's dark cowshed just padding themselves with their grief and sorrow.
I have been angry with five things about anandi initially
1. Her insistence on sending him money and getting into the middle of this with bapusa.
2. Her insistence on NOT sending him to jail
3. Her insistence on NOT retorting to Gauri's insults
4. Her insistence on pandering to Jagya all the time -- including those ridiculous requests for fruits and daliya when gauri came to the haveli and collapsed when her pregnancy was revealed.
5. Finally, her once in a while sadness scenes where she sits on the swing and wonders if there is a slight chance that her jagya will ever come back to her.
in previous discussions with you, I gave up my anger for points # 1 and # 2 because you very rightly pointed out that in her deepest of hearts she does blame herself for jagya drifting away and not meeting up to his standards/image of what a wife should be. So, then she sees herself as the reason that he drifted away from his family too.
Also, you said that she saw Jagya as much a victim of child marriage as she was...so she was reluctant to put him in jail.
Fair enough.
Then, she doesnt want to stoop to Gauri's level -- so she does not retort to Gauri. Fair enough so my anger at # 3 also flew out the window.
But now, the non-engagement factor does not work for me in # 4 and # 5 -- because i dont like the fact that she pines away for him still after all the insulting behaviour he exhibited with her. It might be one thing to pine away for him if he had decently left her by formally coming and breaking it off... but he was so indecent he walked in with gauri hand in hand, and that is how she came to know that now it was "officially" over. Why does she still pine away for him ? I dont understand. Why call him to tell him that she is the sarpanch. Why call him to tell him about Phooli's child.
Also, even if she is non-engaged what was that whole thing about making fruits and porridge for gauri etc. ? Could she not have stayed aloof and just gone on about her business and prepared for her adult education class etc. without giving them a second glance.
Her behaviour does not look like someone who doesnt give a hoot.
These are the issues which I consider doormat behaviour, more aggravating when jagya proudly proclaims to gauri every now and then "anandi mere saath aisa kuch bhi nahin karegi -- woh meri khilaaf kabhi case nahin karegi"
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Anandi's forgiveness is chiefly towards Jagya's misdeeds or betrayal, but along with an introspective reflection on the aspects that lead to her personal tragedy. She recognizes plausibility in Jagya's arguments and does not want to hold him guilty solely (and this attitude ruffles us viewers😆). Though here she is not quite sure of the reasons (and hence continued introspection). She seems to have a biased sympathy for her childhood friend. From her side, the bond is not resigned with such an ease or readiness, as seemingly adopted by Jagya (this point, personally I had never been convinced of the storyline, except that the Cv's eagerness to wrought it over anyhow)...For this much hold, she could be attributed of a 'doormat' component, but more correctly perhaps, this should be read as a natural response of a basically loyal and consistent mind-set.

The forgiveness, here is a closuring transaction for a particular hurt in personal capacity. But here she is not 'disengaging' herself away from that very relationship. Even if she wished it so (and perhaps even striving it so), so far, she is not able to detach herself entirely away from that bond which has shaped most part of her conscious life. The point is, with the effect of forgiveness, she is able to progress forward much healed and light, in spite of this lingering bond. My POV.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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You can love someone or something even if it doesn't give u anything in return.

Anandi cannot bring herself to erase all memory of J and the times spent with him just coz he has moved on now. Her whole life has revolved around him and his family, even if she tries to forget him - what then will she have to hold onto ? Her memories of being a free 7 yr old ? Is that even plausible ?

A sees how she J n G have all suffered coz of this BV custom and she thinks of all three as victims of a backward/yet-to-be-reformbed society. She is thus focusing on educating parents to care better for their children and for girls - to become self-sufficient n have a sense of self-worth.

She has relegated J to the status of a friend from a spouse and is trying to be n stay a good friend and nothing more. In fact whenever J starts calling her too often - she reminds him to focus on his current spouse. Have a heart - let her hold onto her memories of happy times n a tiny hope that J will again care for her the way he used to. We should all be allowed to have dreams. 😳
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Anandi punished Jagya by letting him leave with Gauri ... which is worst than Jail ...

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Tinoo..i m agree with u that anandi should not show any kind of care for J&G..even i felt irritated when she tried to do something good for them when they were at jetsar!..
but u may have used some other word than "spinless"..i think spineless r those people who r coward..who tolerates the torture of others without any protest or who don't have the guts to tell the truth or accept the truth..or support what is right!..i don't think at any sense anadi is doormat..
it is very irritating to see that anandi is serving J & G..but if anandi is sensible enough to think about a baby..then it makes her caring about the baby not spineless or coward!..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: monamie111

it is very irritating to see that anandi is serving J & G..but if anandi is sensible enough to think about a baby..then it makes her caring about the baby not spineless or coward!..


I agree that its bugging to see Anandi serving JG and making a dish to specifications, but then we are are all unique people with different POV's and have varying thresholds of tolerance.

For ex - I wud jump at the chance to cook somehting for G and see if I can't spice it up with a little rat poison mixed in the chaat masala 😈 ! But then - that's me. 😳
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: monamie111

but u may have used some other word than "spinless"..i think spineless r those people who r coward..who tolerates the torture of others without any protest or who don't have the guts to tell the truth or accept the truth..or support what is right!..i don't think at any sense anadi is doormat..

yes, agreed. I should not call it spineless or coward.
overly do goodiness is anandi's malady --it is irritating but she is not spineless.

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