Originally posted by: doyelpakhi
Wow ! great arguement going on!
@ all -
A) First of all, when does a woman becomes mistress and when does she become wife?
A mistress is someone who is kept by a man for some "extra" fun. A man never leaves his wife or family for sake of mistress. Neither he introduces his mistress as his wife before his friends or anyone else.
this meaning was applied 4 the times wen men don't wnat 2 bring keeps as wife under societal pressure but wanted 2've fun & even don't want 2 malign their own honour(though ppl knew abt their affairs) but society how much was averse 2 woman's rt but 4 rightous wife(acc. 2 them) they never accepted oder women widout marriage!!
and marrying naoder woman widout divorcing 1st one makes 2nd wife as illeagl acc. 2 law & a Keep in the eyes of society. they can't force society 2 accept them as wife until divorce has happened!!
Nowadays, we are often seeing that people are breaking their marriages for someone else and are getting married with the new person. Is anyone calling the second wife a mistress?
no1 is calling 2nd wives as keep who gets married 2 a divorcee or a widower. an dif G'dn't accepted this marriage widout J divorcing A then shes not just illigal wife but also a keep!!u r mixing the two condns just on the basis of 2nd marriage/2nd wife status!!
Even in this forum, almost everyone agreed that if Jagya would have been honest to A and would have separated legally and then married G - it would have been tolerated.Would anyone would have called G a mistress then?
i'd already replied this!! and no1 wud'd called G as mistress or keep if she'd married J after asking him 2 divorce A & got the divorce also which is not the case. then she might'dn't called as keep but still called a home breaker!! e.g sridevi!!
Now, coming to JG relation. JG thought their marriage is legal because J's marriage happened in childhood. J has introduced G as his wife before everyone, even though their marriage is illegal. So, yes technically she is the mistress. But if this would have been 90's or early 2000 then their marriage indeed would have been legal. The new law came only existence in mid 2000.
So, could anyone have called G a mistress then? No.
yes!! bcoz her marriage wud'd been legal in the eyes of law but in the eyes of society she wud'd been a home-breaker & a keep!!
and law came in2 force bcoz of the plight of A kind of childbrides & not 4 the protection of G kind of "oder woman"!!
But why not? Situation basically would have been same. So it's only a sign in paper by the man can turn a "mistress" into wife.
no need 2 say it as its well said by antara. just a piece of paper then if 2marrow J leaves G then its also a piece of paper!!and theres no need of G's certificates of MBBS. they r also just a piece of paper!!
B) Now here comes the question of signature on paper.
When JG got married they thought that their marriage is legal because of their stupidity.
yes they did it in stupidity & may b ignoranceof law. but as sum1'd said that law doesn't let a prsn go scot free 4 his crimes just bcoz they r ignorant of the law!! if 2day their case cums in a court of law judge won't let them go free & says oh! i m not giving u any punishment bcoz u didn't know that J's marriage'd bcum legal & married widout knowing abt it. go & enjoy ur married life!!😆😆
Now the jerk is not filing the case because he is not ready to go to jail. So why is G with him when technically she is the "mistress"? Suppose G left him after knowing her illegality of marriage. But then, wouldn't she have been a selfish woman who leaves J in the middle of deep trouble?
if G'd left him after knowing the illegality of her marriage then no1 wud'd called her selfish but rather an empowered & humane woman!!!
G could have left J only after knowing that J lied to her for 5 years. But at that time, she accepted him. In a way, she did good to A because A could now lead her life on her own terms. A would have been still waiting for J if she knew that J is alone.
yeah i agree that she did gud 2 A but in actual her intention wasn't of doing gud 4 A. her intention was 4 her selfishness & 2 degrade A as its clear from her past actions after getting married 2 J after she came 2 know abt J being married!!
J is the real home-breaker, not G. She was not running after him, it was J who was running after her. If G would not have married him, it would not have made much difference to JA relation. He would have been pining for G as he did not get her and may be would have fallen for another city girl.
Right now, J is showing concern because A is not with him. It is the age-old mentality of conquest. A man can leave a woman, but it hurts his ego if the woman moves on without him.
yes J is also a hom e-breaker but u can't say G is not a home breaker> its true J was running after G but i think 4 clapping u need 2 hands & only slapping needs one hand. if she'd rejected him rt oder there 4 cheating not just her but even 4 A & showed sum humanity she wudn't'd called a home-breaker!! if she'd refused 2get married wud J'd forced her 2 marry him. if J'd married her forcefully using physical force or intoxicating her then she wudn't''d called a home -breaker & forced 2 live wid J by pressuring her 4 sum"majboori"(like harmng her family ordisgracing her etc)
When G accepted J's 5 year lie, how can she just dump him hearing the illegality of their marriage for her own convenience? That would have been completely selfish.
replied already!!
J was already thrown away by his family; even when in Jetsar G emotionally took the decision of leaving J he just pleaded before her to stay with him. When you see that a person is facing the heat for your sake, is it really easy to go away as per your own convenience? I think No.
she didn't leave her under emotional feelings but she'd done wid us eof her brain cells but wen she "pighalofying" by one nigt rain-bath of J thats called getting emotional!!
She however pleaded, fought, quarreled several times with J for this legal/illegal issue. But our Jaggu dada is too scared😉
if J is scared then does it mean she shudn't'd asked him or pressurised him 4 divorce?? Not just J but shes also scared that if she force him 4 divorce then her getting married 2 J who was already married will cum out in front of her frnds, college & even kunda tai!! an dshe doesn't want 2 loose her goody-2 image!!
C) But then why G is fighting with J? She should have accepted him as he is - compulsive liar, chauvinistic etc etc.
But the question is - if anyone doesn't point out the mistake then it means the person will commit more mistake.
G has not tolerated J's tantrums regarding food etc, and hence, it has helped him at least to acknowledge the responsibility of household chores and share it.
In a way, J has gradually turned a little better for those lashings of G - he has understood household responsibility instead of ordering G; he at least now understands that he can't treat his partner as a dirt like he did with A.
not tolerating J's tantarums & J turning a bit better doesn't absolve her of misdeeds . he hasn't understood household responsibility & i wonder if it"ll b permanent. hes putting up wid g bcoz in his subconscious mind he also wants 2 prove 2 his family that his decision of getting married 2 G wasn't wrong!! and the change wen cums from ur inner self widout any obligations then only its permanent!!
What G now wants that J should behave as per his own words - he himself has said no. of times that he doesn't love A and G is his world. So why can't he behave like what he promised? He has compared G with A; he has kept secrets from G; most importantly, he has made G insecure by not signing on the paper.
That is the root cause of all their troubles. So, J is again the real culprit even in this new relationship.
then why she wants this. why doesn't she understand him wen he openly praises A but also confesses his luv 4 G. it means their relationship doesn't've trust. if shes insecure then why shes blaming A always & abusing her & always consider her gud deeds a sbeing "mahan" delberately!!
@ tanvi
The biggest flaw of G is that she blames A for everything. She knows J very well but still she tries to console herself by blaming A,
Instead of blaming A or saying bad things about her, G should only concentrate on J and point out his mistakes when necessary.
A has tolerated J's tantrums because that how she was conditioned to behave. Even her love for J is greatly influenced by her upbringing and social conditioning.
Has A ever thought - what kind of life partner she would like to have? NO. For her J is her hubby and she has to accept him as he is.
So when A, despite all the trouble, moved on and tried to concentrate on her career, it shows her strength.
A did not want to put J in jail because she does not want revenge. What's the point in putting J in jail? Would he start loving her again. J has initially once blamed A for taking away his parents from him. She doesn't want J to blame her again for breaking JG relation.
till this pt. reagarding A i agree!!! an ddon't wnat 2 repeat it!!
Even I think that putting someone in jail is not a solution if anyone walks out of the marriage. If this is the solution, then why only marriage? what about if one walks out of a 10 years affairs --- can anyone put that person in jail ?
if sum1 walks out of marriage widout divorcing then he/she shud b put in the jail.we can't justify not sending him 2 jail on the basis of it & saying its not solun. an dmariage & affairs r difft not just in the eyes of society or religion but also in the eyes of law!!thatswhy theres no law 4 it though theres law regarding live-inrelationship where most of the time women bcum a victim after child birth etc.!!
What I really hoped that A would file a divorce case - if she doesn't want to put J in jail, there are other loopholes to get a divorce case. At least, she would have been relieved of the Jagdish Singh tag. But then again, she was given the impression that J will land in jail if she files any case.
i really want this & com-pletely agreed on this!!
P.S - this post is really long! 😆😆 Please read it before answering me back. 😃
hope u won't mind it as i really read it b4 answering!!😃