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Posted: 14 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: parri814

Annika, in my post to Genie I stated the things I did about you because she was defending your stance.

Furthermore, I mentioned cliques because you brought it up yourself when you asked Antara about the 'old girl's club with regard to JT. Also you state that counter posts are made against you or Tinoo by certain A supporters but GaGA supporters make counter threads to counter a view and not discriminate against a member. You yourself and making a distinction in how you view responses from Gaga members and A members.



Tiny, you interpreted my initial responses correctly. It was not meant in bad taste. As I stated before, my timing was probably incorrect because phrases such as 'liking my post' became a touchy subject. Anyway I was looking at it from both viewpoints and giving my two cents in the touchy subject 'direct/indirect censoring by members'. I think it's unrealistic not to expect censorship from fellow members and also I think it's unrealistic to expect others to follow the same code of conduct or value system as yourself. There are rules in the forum that is enforced by the mods but even these rules are not palatable to everyone.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: parri814



Tiny, you interpreted my initial responses correctly. It was not meant in bad taste. As I stated before, my timing was probably incorrect because phrases such as 'liking my post' became a touchy subject. Anyway I was looking at it from both viewpoints and giving my two cents in the touchy subject 'direct/indirect censoring by members'. I think it's unrealistic not to expect censorship from fellow members and also I think it's unrealistic to expect others to follow the same code of conduct or value system as yourself. There are rules in the forum that is enforced by the mods but even these rules are not palatable to everyone.

yeah thats rite!!thatswhy wen things were started getting prsnl i lost interest & also hav sum time prob so i pressed the "like" button only!! & if post was a little bit short reading is easy but now ppl r making v.v.long posts in this thread also so cudn't read them properly & sum of us r citing the incidences of long ago so cudn't understand head or tail of it!!
so i tried 2 refrain from pressing "like" or commenting on them!! why 2 talk on such issues which ididn't know abt them!!😊😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: woman11


Anyway, I will seriously stop now. I have reduced my visits to the forum. I just stopped by yesterday and joined the discussion. However, I will stay away from the forum now. I don't want to influence other people's thoughts, or take the blame of taking over a discussion single-handedly and distorting it solely by my posts. I seriously did not know my words had so much power.

Again let me apologize once again. I AM SORRY . I certainly don't want you to feel "helpless" just because I dared to express my thoughts. So they better be CENSORED. Let me delete all the posts I made in this thread so that if somebody reads this thread later will not be influenced by what I said.

Had been a largely silent reader here or some other place... But your thought provoking, logically sound, morally fair and well rounded posts had stirred someone like me exert here sometimes. It is sad to see your voice getting dimmed, not only because of lacklustre story lines, but also for some unfortunate, unwarranted/stretched interpretations (of your rebuttals) which (the 'interpretations') does not make sense on any just test of rationalization, except that, the accusations seem to emanate more from a emotional outbursts. @ woman11, Please don't stop posting, your concise views are more valued then some volumes. To see you deleting you logical posts- overwhelmed (stifled?) by some uncivil verbosity is sad.

Edited by stutishah - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Parri

''because she was defending your stance'' - May I know what it is supposed to mean?

I have already told why I brought up the old girls' club issue. That was because if members had made funny posts themselves in past, then why someone like Suchi was sensitive over a dry humour type thread made by someone else like me? She did not come up with counter threads Vasuja's another sarcastically funny thread. But came up with one (along with indirect referencing already going on in some other threads since days) when I posted a thread about lessons learnt from BV.
Same case with remarks of impatience or too many demands or forever being dissatisfied with Anandi - when someone like Tinoo made a thread about issues related to character's actions.

That is what made me ask is it supposed to be only more known and regular members who can get away with funny posts without making anyone feel bad? [I was not just talking about JT, but also other threads]

I made it clear again. But since you brought the same thing up again, so I explained it once more.

Is it about how I view posts by GAGA members and A supporters? It's not like I condone GAGA members views or disagree with Anandi ones. I told you in my previous reply about Tanvi also making personal comments, while she herself is unable to a remark on herself. It's not like I have ''problems'' with Anandi fans but I am ''all okay'' with GAGA fans. Still, I appreciate their openness in what they do - even if I don't agree at all with the intent with which they do it.

I do not expect anyone to follow the kind of value system which I follow. I gave you answers when you asked what I meant or wanted. Basically I made this thread to know what people expected and unwritten or understood stuff to be spelt out clearly. I didn't think what I used to ''follow'' was complete, so I sought more clarity and guidance.

I never gave my own COC or expressed anyone to follow it. But now it perhaps seems like it, because of my replies in response to everyone's questions.😕 First barring a few, most ask me questions about myself, and later seeing my replies it is assumed that I am attempting or expecting someone to follow the same COC as I do!

Thanks you said that censorship from members happens or it is unrealistic to think it will not occur. That gives me answers to questions I asked to begin with.

It is at least an open expression of the fact that it could happen! That is the clarity I had I had sought while making this thread.

It was not to accuse anyone or impose my own views. Honestly thanks for it.

The nature of replies in the thread gave me all answers and I learnt my lesson (there is not really any chance of trying to take a middle ground, one is either fan or hater, censorship can and does exist, pointing out issues in case of a positive character could put someone in trouble, affinity towards character take precedence over issues, it's human nature etc.) - and I say it honestly, earnestly and not in a sarcastic vein.

It got personal because of comments about personal thinking from Antara - ''you feel less appreciated or want everyone to agree or can't take criticism and like comments''. I never started this thread with intention of talking about myself or making it personal. If someone makes personal comments, then even then I should not take it personally or think of it as general response?

In fact I have kept pleading not to make it only about me but about the nature of discussions.

@Suchi - you need not apologise, because it is not only about you or to point fingers. You can defend as much as you want and do whatever you do. I assure silence from my side and never bother anyone, you or anyone else. Please know, I honestly did not make it to elicit apologies. I can only assure you like I have always done in past, that I or some others, have no intention to bash Anandi.

I understand your craze for the character and appreciate it too.



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Posted: 14 years ago
#65
@Stutishah

As far as I know I was never ''uncivil'' towards her. Looks like deleting all her posts has favoured her well, since it makes my replies look like exaggerated reactions or attempts to thwart her.

She herself said ''words'' of other members have no power to stifle others. So why do you think my long winded uncivil volumes could have perhaps stifled her?

Honestly, I had never expected such reactions from someone like Antara...I used to believe we shared a good rapport and if a member like her, who I always held in high regard, would react the way she did...I felt she would guide me about the stuff which happens in a forum which is not spelt out but to be ''understood'', but it ended up like this...

She is an invaluable member without a doubt. It is strange she wanted me to not take stuff as censorship, but now does self-censor. I still hold her and everyone else in high regard.

I truly didn't make this thread to start a war. Sorry if some members feel irked, and some feel compelled to leave.

I hope I am forgiven by members...and I sincerely plead Antara or anyone else not to leave because of me. No more volumes from me in future. Ever.


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Posted: 14 years ago
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OK enough. PEACE please.

@stuti: Thank you so much for your support but I am not leaving the forum for anyone. I am generally very busy and dont find time to visit the forum so often. So nobody is making me leave the forum, I will be here whenever I find time. 🤗But yes, i will be careful about anything I post, since I dont want to hurt people. I deleted my posts not because of any pressure, but because I did not want my posts to create more trouble than what they have already done.

@annika: Can we please call peace? Or do you want to rage this war forever? I said I am sorry, there were misunderstandings, to me as a reader you sounded like you were worried about people's responses and were too bothered about what other people said. You did mention about the comparative likes and dislikes, so the topic of likes came, I did not invent it from thin air. And if you read my earlier post, you might have seen that I talked about much more than liking a post. I did address the issues of snide remarks, criticism to your post and counter argument.

ANYWAY, the main point is, I did misread what you intended in your post and I am sorry for that. Blame me for my bad reading skills. Now can we just get over it? There's been much fighting, and lets not stretch it further. Nobody needs to leave the forum or do otherwise. Please lets call peace now. Here's a hug from my side. 🤗 Chalo please ab aur fighting nahi.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Final parting words , lets be clear what this thread was all about . It was not questioning any fan base for supporting their respective characters nor was it aimed at any personal member.

The main point was y to censor a comment if it doesnt appease a particular fan base? And for me it was also a question of how certain POVs are mocked just because they are critical of a fictional character.
Hence the need for maintaining dignity and respect for every person even while we all are disagreeing , lets not look down on anyone's pt , no matter how poles apart they are.

Nothing in the topic or the subsequent discussion should be taken as rational or irrational , lets not be the judge of something which is so subjective. We all probably respect each other, have quoted one another numerous tyms but if at one pt v stand on opposite stands of bridge , lets not call it taking sides or being defensive.

No one has suggested or actually can make anyone delete or leave this forum, that is a personal choice .

This was not a war or an emotional outburst , it was about being neutral also comes with its own set of censorships and opposition. Annika presented her views , I relate to them and some you disagreed, but that doesnt reflect on what we think of each other personally, neither should a disagreement be precieved as a sign of arrogance or superiority.

Lets all agree to disagree, provided we dont disrespect or insuniate someone, lets give each other that much dignity and freedom.

Love and Peace to all.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@ Annika

This is what I posted at the end of page 3 of this thread:


parri814
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I think if one posts on a forum of this nature and one is ready to put forth their opinion or stance they they should be expected to be targeted directly or indirectly. You are in this forum with the explicit knowledge that not everyone will agree with you and some may disagree vehemently to the extent that it may look like targeting but they are also standing by their convictions. All we can do is debate as long as we have the stamina or stomach to do so.

In fact I think anyone on a public platform or even members only platform should expect to to challenged or criticized regardless of method (direct/indirect). I even have issues with the rule that we can't criticize the actors like boney/sridevi even though relevance with BV is blatantly there. Why can't we discuss them. Afterall they are public figures and even role models to some. Why should they be exempt from this. Aren't public figures fair game?
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In essence, or in other words i was basically saying it's unrealistic not to expect censorship which you now agree with as per your quote:

"Thanks you said that censorship from members happens or it is unrealistic to think it will not occur. That gives me answers to questions I asked to begin with."

I am glad you understand me now. Anyway I sincerely do agree with your POV regarding the SERIAL and always look forward to reading your thought provoking posts on BV. If you have decided to refrain from posting about the serial from here on it is honestly our loss.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@woman11

I am glad to see you posting...and to learn that you are not leaving...😊

I was never interested in waging a war. I have clarified it, even in advance in the first post of this thread - that I don't mean to fight with anyone. So please don't think I want to wage a war. I don't assume you made it up out of thin air. Just bothered about making it and some other assumptions based on minor examples. It was just personally pointing comments which seemed problematic to me, but now I see such things happen and will remain...It's unfortunate that it all became a war...

There has been no fighting or an intent to fight from my side. But still I am sorry if I made it a fight.

@Parri

I read your posts and every other post in the thread. I understand and realise what you and everyone else had to say. I hope any of my comments didn't offend you. Sorry if they did...I am sorry.

@ Genie

Thank you for the parting words...I couldn't have concluded it better...And even sorry to you, you had to face some comments due to me.

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I don't intend to leave the forum due to anyone else. But more to my inability to convey things properly and sounding offensive...I've learnt what I ought to have done or kept in mind. I'll stay away till the time I learn to internalise the lessons and apply them while writing a post in this or any forum for that matter. Once again for disturbing peace of mind of any member or spoiling the environment in the forum, if at all I did it...due to my posts.

Sincerely, it was good to interact on the forum and know wonderful members and diverse POVs. No hard feelings or ill-will from my side.

Best wishes to members and the BV forum. The forum rocks and is anyday much better than the serial. 👍🏼

Hope to be back as a changed and more tolerable member in future.

Goodbye!😊








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Posted: 14 years ago
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is this over, annika ur thread is a hit😆😆😆mazaa aa gayaaa😆i love fights hahaha

aur jab aise logon ki class lag rahi ho ho jo mujhe pasand nahin hain toh sone pe suhaaga🤣
ps. i know tumhara koi iraada nahin tha fights kaa lekin ho jaati hain kyaa karien
and i wish i could reply to all ur points, but meri laziness 🥱kyaa karoon

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