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Posted: 14 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: redapple1

I personally feel there is no social message in this serial. I started watching this serial thinking that the show is against child marriage. But it turned out to glorify infidelity. Anandi is still treated as beendni in that haveli. The latest SBS segment showed sauthan ka SR. What do they mean sauthan (co-wife)? Now they are glorifying polygamy as well. hmmm... This is just a fictional storyline and we have to watch it for just time pass and definitely not for any morals or ethics.

yeah...current track is actually more like a story of infidelity...rather than child marriage issue...confused one😕...
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Posted: 14 years ago
#62

Originally posted by: redapple1

I personally feel there is no social message in this serial. I started watching this serial thinking that the show is against child marriage. But it turned out to glorify infidelity. Anandi is still treated as beendni in that haveli. The latest SBS segment showed sauthan ka SR. What do they mean sauthan (co-wife)? Now they are glorifying polygamy as well. hmmm... This is just a fictional storyline and we have to watch it for just time pass and definitely not for any morals or ethics.



But see thats the point that even though we watch it for 'timepass' it effects the people who are watching it. Its like slow brainwashing of the masses in making something look like it is the norm.

So what are they promoting?

Infidelity? and its ok to dump the woman just because you do not think she is good enough for you?

I def. thought the points raised up by Gehna during the confrontation was worth watching and did have some very valid questions.

If everyone starts thinking ' Ijust fell out of love' then how many marriages will last?

Then there will be no meaning in the words like
compromise,
respect
patience
sense of forgiving

and isn't thats what happening. I am not sure about India but def. in US.

Marriages break as if it were a thin stick.
Children psychologically being affected cause they have to choose between parents.

So yes, I Def. think that no show can be watched as timepass. It has an hidden agenda and something to teach (good or bad)

Perhaps it effects every single individual in different levels. Some more, some less. But it does have an effect.


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Posted: 14 years ago
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👏Suchi, very very true. I am so tempted to quote so many sociologists, psychologists and media studies scholars to substantiate that media has immense effect on people, but will refrain from that----it will be like starting a whole academic conference on "The Effects of Media"😆That's why we need to be critical as viewers----to deconstruct what is being fed to us and understand it's implications.
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Posted: 14 years ago
#64

Originally posted by: woman11

Suchi, the serial makers need to be careful about the kind of message they are giving out to society. Yet, all they do is butcher characters, confuse issues, resort to extreme drama and shape the story as it suits their TRPs. They seem to forget that social media is an extremely powerful weapon and has immense influence on the public consciousness. Anandi, Gauri, Jagya might be fictional characters but they all stand for real life people and their problems. There have been several scholarly studies showing television does play a very important role in forming public opinion. Thus, the CVs need to be responsible for what they portray on screen. And we as viewers need to watch things critically. We can't even fathom the way the media can shape us as persons, sometimes even without us realizing it.

Couldnt agree with you more. There is always studies out there about the violence on television having an adverse affect on the youth. It is a shame, that adultery and deceit is being portrayed as a beautiful love story to get the hormones going and basically good characters are being ridiculed and condemned for taking the higher ground and not complaining or blaming circumstances. i agree to an extent that in today's society, there are very few people like A's character with tolerance and patience. And with westernisation and women' lib, any character with a little domestic finesse is ridiculed and disrespected rather than admired for their individuality. In this day when bullying is a problem in school's and society, why shouldn't the underdog be championed? Why shouldn't the upstanding character (A) be an apiring example for us? When a man or woman commits adultery and continues deceiving his/her loved one, should we blame the victimised spouse for not holding onto to his/her wayward other half. Should we glorify the misdeeds of the wayward spouse by repackaging it to be a beautiful love story?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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hahahaha, talk about confusing real and reel life.
I remembered that weird (possibly Telugu) guy who had posted in this forum...forgot what was his name...arrey wohi jisne apne biwi aur beti ko chhod diya tha and was finding solace in Jaggu's character hehehehehehe🤣

My cousin's 5 year old son wanted to jump from their 10th floor balcony like an action hero and claimed even if he is hurt, he will have two more 'lives' left and can always regain his 'health'.😲 My cousin has banned video games at her house. 😔
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Posted: 14 years ago
#66

Originally posted by: Suchi-NivReniac



But see thats the point that even though we watch it for 'timepass' it effects the people who are watching it. Its like slow brainwashing of the masses in making something look like it is the norm.

So what are they promoting?

Infidelity? and its ok to dump the woman just because you do not think she is good enough for you?

I def. thought the points raised up by Gehna during the confrontation was worth watching and did have some very valid questions.

If everyone starts thinking ' Ijust fell out of love' then how many marriages will last?

Then there will be no meaning in the words like
compromise,
respect
patience
sense of forgiving

and isn't thats what happening. I am not sure about India but def. in US.

Marriages break as if it were a thin stick.
Children psychologically being affected cause they have to choose between parents.

So yes, I Def. think that no show can be watched as timepass. It has an hidden agenda and something to teach (good or bad)

Perhaps it effects every single individual in different levels. Some more, some less. But it does have an effect.



Yeah I see your point. I actually was thinking they would show evils of child marriages by showing getting pregnant when you are 14 and how it affects the girl and so many other evils. But the track has taken some other turn. They are showing educated woman and man to be so insensitive 😡 Education should make you more open minded and liberal in views and be sensitive to culture and people. But here it is totally different.
I guess I watch for just timepass, beacuse if I take it seriously then my day will be spoiled to see all the wrongs and still the show promoting it. If I don't like the track, I just fast-forward the video 😃 or just read the update. Marriages break here in this country for silly reasons. I have a co-worker who is still going through divorce process and all she talks about is how her husband cheated her. She is a working woman who is well educated. So if a person like her is going through so much, then I can see how Anandi feels. She is not independent and she is in a village where society matters (unlike here in US).
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Posted: 14 years ago
#67
Yaar apple, thats the point na. no matter how one educated becomes, a woman , the worst thing (one of the) is when her husband cheats on her.


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Posted: 14 years ago
#68

Originally posted by: Suchi-NivReniac

Yaar apple, thats the point na. no matter how one educated becomes, a woman , the worst thing (one of the) is when her husband cheats on her.



yup.. here it is not always Woman who is cheated by her spouse. They also contribute in the cheating process.
With the latest segment, I see the worst thing is to see your ex with his new wife in your room, where you spent 10 - 16 years of your life there...
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Posted: 14 years ago
#69

Originally posted by: woman11

Gauri's mother surprised me today. Till now I was getting upset with Gauri as the bubbly, lovable girl gradually turned into an insensitive and irrational mess of insecurity, but now I know where her behavior came from. Children learn from their parents and if parents are like this, the daughter is bound to lose her senses. I am really amazed with Gauri's mother:

1. Firstly, you drag your child to the whole mess of child marriage even after knowing that the groom is already married. I remember there was another farmer couple who had brought their daughter for Jagya's second marriage but as soon as they learnt that Jagya was already married, they promptly refused to give their daughter. The father said that they might be poor but they can't throw away their daughter into such a situation, she is not that heavy a burden. Yet, Gauri's parents decided to marry her off in spite of everything, did your daughter become so much of a liability for you?

2. Secondly, you leave your daughter outside the haveli shivering in cold, in spite of knowing that the marriage scenario has gone bad. How heartless can you be as parents? Did you think what your daughter will go through---physically, mentally, emotionally? Which mother would have agreed to abandon the child just because she is married off, instead of protecting her in a dire situation? Surely she is a "monster mom" [Ref to the infamous Casey Anthony]

3. Thirdly, how come your daughter hates the Singh family so much while she has no memory of the atrocities you yourself have done to her? How come she has a selective memory of her trauma and a selective memory of the people responsible for it? Surely you have brought her up with that version of the story where you have carefully absolved yourself of everything you did to her and taught her only to hate the Singh family. Wonderful manipulation with your own daughter!

4. Fourthly, even after knowing everything about Jagya's identity as an adult why didn't you stop your daughter from marrying that guy? Yes, you did try to argue and convince Gauri that she will be like a second wife and the family will not accept her, but was that enough? As a mother shouldn't you have told your daughter that a guy who constantly lies to you for 5 years is not a trustworthy guy to choose as a life partner? Shouldn't you have told your daughter to inquire about what his relationship was with his first wife? Shouldn't you have advised her not to go near the haveli after marriage? As mature, experience people you should have warned your daughter and guided her in the right direction. Parents take so much pains in making sure that their daughter is getting married to the right person---they inquire about the guy's past, gather information from other sources and are very critical of the guy before they give him a clean chit. It's amazing how they agreed to the marriage so easily. Your daughter might have been blind in love but not you. But no, all you were concerned about was her rights in the haveli, her life doesn't matter too much for you. Seems Gauri got her obsession about the haveli rights from her mother only. That's why her mother was so ecstatic to hear the rights have been granted, nothing else came to her mind, not even what her daughter might have gone through. It was totally a personal vendetta against majisa

5. Fifthly, you instigate your daughter to push the family into sensitive matters like Kuldevi's Puja. As an elder woman you must be experienced enough to understand that if your daughter's in laws haven't done that yet, it means there are still some tensions in the in laws place. In such a situation if your daughter pushes them into such matters, she might become the target of their brunt or even face insult. Yet, you push your daughter into it, because getting full acceptance from the Singh family is of utmost importance to you, your daughter and her pain can go to hell!!

5. Sixthly, it amazes me how as a mother yourself you could be so blind and cruel to another girl of your daughter's age. You teach your daughter to be selfish, to not think about Anandi and to look into only her own interests. Seriously? Are these the values you teach your daughter? Is this what you want her to be as a human being? I am not amazed seeing Gauri's self-centredness and insensitivity now. If this is what your mother teaches you, it's not your fault.

I am really shocked and feel sorry for Gauri that she has a mother like this. The poor girl is doomed from her birth.

I agree with you...but only one thing I disagree with you on "It's not your (Gauri) fault", I would say Gauri is equally responsible as her mom. Yes, Gauri's mom teach her all this but Gauri is old enough to differenciate between Good and Bad...and Gauri is more educated than her mom...so her ethics, moral level should be higher than her parents. But Gauri being selfish, selfcenter, and heartless woman...and only seeing her pain, her happiness, and her life...not thinking of others.
I would say Anandi was same age as her and Anandi stayed away from her parent for almost 12yrs and still Anandi has her own moral values, ethics and sanskar,,,,and Anandi is not as educated (by book) as Gauril but she knows what is right and wrong...so Parent do play big role in children's life but after certain age they have there own identity, thinking, ethics, moral to live life.
Its Gauri and Jagya @ more in fault than anyone.
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Posted: 14 years ago
#70

Originally posted by: woman11

hahahaha, talk about confusing real and reel life.
I remembered that weird (possibly Telugu) guy who had posted in this forum...forgot what was his name...arrey wohi jisne apne biwi aur beti ko chhod diya tha and was finding solace in Jaggu's character hehehehehehe🤣

My cousin's 5 year old son wanted to jump from their 10th floor balcony like an action hero and claimed even if he is hurt, he will have two more 'lives' left and can always regain his 'health'.😲 My cousin has banned video games at her house. 😔

@Woman - On bold, OMGGG this is so cuuuteee😍. But at the same time scary, this is why video games with death and killing are not allowed in my home. Without all that itself it is so hard answering the questions that arise in their tiny mindsROFL

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