Why the Shift?? - Page 5

Originally posted by: Horizon566

All these things really make me realise that we are super ignorant and believe what we see on tv.This is the reason why I now is reading ramayan and I am seriously saying this that when in future I have a child then I will tell him/her about epics from authentic sources and when he/she will grow up its his/her choice what to make of that and will also expose him/her to propaganda stories.The main reason why today's people think that ramayan and mahabharat are false are due to wrong depictions of serials where they show babies magically born from the sky and then elders believe all this and pass these stories to kids.Really! there are so many mis-conceptions that I can make a list of that.Speaking of which I think we should make a thread where we can discuss these controversial things from both the epics as this thread is not a right place.

You can open a thread in mytho Masti forum and PM us all the link, this seriously needs some discussion

Can u tell someone else as I m new here and I don't know how to make the starting page with pics and all of discussion thread?

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Good response. Just a correction he didn't lose his kingdom to Bheem, after the battle he had to accept Yudhishtir as his Samrat or emperor and pay Bheem some amount as gift ( read a token of acceptance.) His kingdom very much belonged to him. This is how Rajsuya Yagya etc worked. Such states back then had much Greater autonomy than the vassal states of modern era And despite not liking Karna, he wasn't some very low standard warrior. The then emperor Jarasangh had given him Malini as a gift by being impressed of his valour. We all know how powerful Samrat Jarasangh was, I don't think it's easy to please him in strength

Aside he didn't live as prince, he spent his childhood as a commoner, he became a directly by getting a gift from his friend and remained so throughout his life (just thinking both good friends of Duryodhan, Karna and Ashwathama became the king despite not having had dreamt of it, but Duryodhan couldn't become one himself)

Why did he accept Yudi as emperor? I thought he lost and had to fight from the side of emperor if there's a war

I meant he learned from best of the gurus along with other prince of Hastinapur hence lived life of a Prince, to say he got same education as they did, lived in the ashram like they did for a long part of their lives, then he went from Ashram to become King of Anga, did his brother get all this? Other sons of charioteers?

He wouldn't have been accepted by anyone as a b@stard

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Why did he accept Yudi as emperor? I thought he lost and had to fight from the side of emperor if there's a war

I meant he learned from best of the gurus along with other prince of Hastinapur hence lived life of a Prince, to say he got same education as they did, lived in the ashram like they did for a long part of their lives, then he went from Ashram to become King of Anga, did his brother get all this? Other sons of charioteers?

He wouldn't have been accepted by anyone as a b@stard

Yes he lost that battle with Bheem and had to hence accept Yudhishtir as his emperor. An emperor had a power/right to summon any king for his military or monetary support if there was a war/need, (although there had been instances when they refused to do so and later got punished by the emperor many at times the annexation of the whole kingdom.)

But the kingdom in itself remained to king(not emperor) the emperor didn't ask for a portion of their revenue, nor could they officially decide the foreign policy for those kingdoms. It was a strange arrangement that can not be explained taking the present day systems into consideration

Ok I understood what you meant but he was imparted those education because of his talent since he was very good at it, Better than 95% of the princes there, I doubt his brothers matched his skills

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Yes he lost that battle with Bheem and had to hence accept Yudhishtir as his emperor. An emperor had a power/right to summon any king for his military or monetary support if there was a war/need, (although there had been instances when they refused to do so and later got punished by the emperor many at times the annexation of the whole kingdom.)

But the kingdom in itself remained to king(not emperor) the emperor didn't ask for a portion of their revenue, nor could they officially decide the foreign policy for those kingdoms. It was a strange arrangement that can not be explained taking the present day systems into consideration

Wow

Hard to imagine this when we had to struggle for years seeking provincial autonomy

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Wow

Hard to imagine this when he had to struggle for years seeking provincial autonomy

Not years. Immidiately after the Rajsuya Yagya, game of dice happened, post which he either became fee of such association or got into that association with Duryodhan. Either case he was completely free to go as per his will

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Not years. Immidiately after the Rajsuya Yagya, game of dice happened, post which he either became fee of such association or got into that association with Duryodhan. Either case he was completely free to go as per his will

I am sorry 😶😶🏃

Corrected it

I meant we had to struggle for seeking provincial autonomy, not Karna

I typed 'He' instead of 'We'

Originally posted by: NoraSM

I am sorry 😶😶🏃

Corrected it

I meant we had to struggle for seeking provincial autonomy, not Karna

I typed 'He' instead of 'We'

Oh ok. Now I got your statement. True we were very different from them

Originally posted by: Horizon566

I have did this many times in school but no one accept my views like once my teacher was telling about bhishma pitamah and told that Shantanu raised him from the time he was born and I tried to correct her by saying that mata Ganga raised him till he became capable warrior and sent him to guru Parshuram but she said that it wasn't so and I was like what did I read thn 😂 and many more like ravan respected sitaji and he never touched her so he was great man and great brother who fought for his sister but alas here I couldn't retort as bell rang (exams were coming and teacher was not giving chance to any student to say anything) but I told the few students later on but they were not interested 😓

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03234.htm

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03235.htm

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03236.htm

These are words of shakuni in vana parv to dhrithrashtra