Why the Shift?? - Page 4

Originally posted by: surabhi01

I don't know why I get irrelevant answer

I am asking exact meaning of formally relate to shakuni

" Shakuni formally gave gandhari to dhrithrashtra

Because formal have many meanings, official , detached, aloof , reserved, good manner, rules

So which meaning of formal will fix here

Originally posted by: Horizon566

I agree with u.Today my teacher narrated Eklavya story with the same masala of casteism and I got irritated with it but I couldn't do anything as she is from different religion I think so can't hurt her unintentionally.

BR Chopda and his team is responsible for this shift with addition of Suta Putra and Andhe ka Beta Andha comment from Draupadi, they just felt the need to give Karna and Duryodhana a reason to carry out an assault on her, which goes on to show their mentality that something like an assault can have a reason behind it

At first I thought that Karna has a story of working hard and emerging victorious against all odds but I read it and he didn't have to do anything

Duryodhana spent all his life to be a King, died for it but he never became one

Pandavas suffered and spent their lives in Jungle, Arjun, in particular, spent most of his life fighting and training to be the ultimate warrior

Karna got a Kingdom without doing anything and lost it to Bheema during Imperial campaign

Karna had loving parents, he was trained by the best of gurus, he spent his life as a Prince then as a King and died in biggest war of that time

His life was pretty easy, If Kunti had accepted him, he would have been called a "B@stard" or probably killed by his maternal uncles in childhood

With Karna, I sense it had more to do with making sure people relate to him, now we have people who went through caste discrimination, Mahabharata would have remained an upper middle class Brahman/kshatriya accepted story instead of being a household name with addition of Karna and discrimination against him

Then there's this whole narrative of "Dharma vs Adharm" where Dharma is Yudhishtira, who is responsible for everything. God punished Karna, Duryodhana but not Yudhishtira, Yudhishtira went to Swarg in the end

Whitewashing is not limited to Karna

They should show everything correctly but I have realized one thing, one cannot separate the bias they have for and against a particular character from their opinion on whole Mahabharata, they just see every event from a single frame of mind, for example - I can't see beyond Yudhishtira's victory

Thank wistfulness for clarification

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Oh thankyou makes sense

It happens in our community too, brother follows his sister and her husband's vehicle after wedding ceremony

Originally posted by: Wistfulness

I understand your apprehension. But, it's important to debunk popular myths. If truth hurts someone, it's not your fault. :)

In text shakuni too was term as wicked along with duryodhan dusaasan karn

Originally posted by: NoraSM

BR Chopda and his team is responsible for this shift with addition of Suta Putra and Andhe ka Beta Andha comment from Draupadi, they just felt the need to give Karna and Duryodhana a reason to carry out an assault on her, which goes on to show their mentality that something like an assault can have a reason behind it

At first I thought that Karna has a story of working hard and emerging victorious against all odds but I read it and he didn't have to do anything

Duryodhana spent all his life to be a King, died for it but he never became one

Pandavas suffered and spent their lives in Jungle, Arjun, in particular, spent most of his life fighting and training to be the ultimate warrior

Karna got a Kingdom without doing anything and lost it to Bheema during Imperial campaign

Karna had loving parents, he was trained by the best of gurus, he spent his life as a Prince then as a King and died in biggest war of that time

His life was pretty easy, If Kunti had accepted him, he would have been called a "B@stard" or probably killed by his maternal uncles in childhood

With Karna, I sense it had more to do with making sure people relate to him, now we have people who went through caste discrimination, Mahabharata would have remained an upper middle class Brahman/kshatriya accepted story instead of being a household name with addition of Karna and discrimination against him

Then there's this whole narrative of "Dharma vs Adharm" where Dharma is Yudhishtira, who is responsible for everything. God punished Karna, Duryodhana but not Yudhishtira, Yudhishtira went to Swarg in the end

Whitewashing is not limited to Karna

They should show everything correctly but I have realized one thing, one cannot separate the bias they have for and against a particular character from their opinion on whole Mahabharata, they just see every event from a single frame of mind, for example - I can't see beyond Yudhishtira's victory

Good response. Just a correction he didn't lose his kingdom to Bheem, after the battle he had to accept Yudhishtir as his Samrat or emperor and pay Bheem some amount as gift ( read a token of acceptance.) His kingdom very much belonged to him. This is how Rajsuya Yagya etc worked. Such states back then had much Greater autonomy than the vassal states of modern era And despite not liking Karna, he wasn't some very low standard warrior. The then emperor Jarasangh had given him Malini as a gift by being impressed of his valour. We all know how powerful Samrat Jarasangh was, I don't think it's easy to please him in strength

Aside he didn't live as prince, he spent his childhood as a commoner, he became a directly by getting a gift from his friend and remained so throughout his life (just thinking both good friends of Duryodhan, Karna and Ashwathama became the king despite not having had dreamt of it, but Duryodhan couldn't become one himself)

Originally posted by: Horizon566

I have did this many times in school but no one accept my views like once my teacher was telling about bhishma pitamah and told that Shantanu raised him from the time he was born and I tried to correct her by saying that mata Ganga raised him till he became capable warrior and sent him to guru Parshuram but she said that it wasn't so and I was like what did I read thn 😂 and many more like ravan respected sitaji and he never touched her so he was great man and great brother who fought for his sister but alas here I couldn't retort as bell rang (exams were coming and teacher was not giving chance to any student to say anything) but I told the few students later on but they were not interested 😓

I have faced this. Yesterday I told my husband about how the Dice Hall aftermath was the heroic activities of Draupadi and these TV shows turn it to the narration of Draupadi a damsel in distress needing Krishna's help to save herself.

And hubby responded that you mean to say that all the TV shows are wrong and only you have got it correct

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I have faced this. Yesterday I told my husband about how the Dice Hall aftermath was the heroic activities of Draupadi and these TV shows turn it to the narration of Draupadi a damsel in distress needing Krishna's help to save herself.

And hubby responded that you mean to say that all the TV shows are wrong and only you have got it correct