Balaram on Dice Game - Page 17

By the way just thinking had Karna somehow managed to kill Arjun on day 17 before dying and Ashwathama got the other 4 Pandavas and the Uppandavas killed somehow, making Duryodhan the winner, who would have actually succeeded him??

His son, all his brothers and nephews were gone, I guess even in this case, Parikshit would have been the only option to succeed, since he would have been the only Kuruvanshi left.

So the entire war result only affected the next 36 years it seems

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

By the way just thinking had Karna somehow managed to kill Arjun on day 17 before dying and Ashwathama got the other 4 Pandavas and the Uppandavas killed somehow, making Duryodhan the winner, who would have actually succeeded him??

His son, all his brothers and nephews were gone, I guess even in this case, Parikshit would have been the only option to succeed, since he would have been the only Kuruvanshi left.

So the entire war result only affected the next 36 years it seems

Duryodhana's track record states, he would have done something very stupid in the end moment to lose everything

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Duryodhana's track record states, he would have done something very stupid in the end moment to lose everything

I think he is the most unlucky guy in the entire epic. Everytime he nears victory, something very insignificant takes it away from him

But I meant had he actually won the war and only he survived and Pandavas died (rest all the victims remain same), still Parikshit would have been the only one capable to succeed him

Originally posted by: naq5

@ bold true. draupadi never got justice i believe. in fact she only lost more

I would like to believe the war was fought more for the kingdom than for justice for draupadi.

What if dury had decided to return indraprastha would they have still fought war for justice. i dont think so

They were happy with 5 villages, If the war was for Draupadi then they wouldn't have tried their level best to hide in the last year of Vanvas, they wouldn't have gone for Vanvas, Why wait 12 years for the war, if that was their plan for revenge? War was their last choice because of Duryodhana

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I think he is the most unlucky guy in the entire epic. Everytime he nears victory, something very insignificant takes it away from him

But I meant had he actually won the war and only he survived and Pandavas died (rest all the victims remain same), still Parikshit would have been the only one capable to succeed him

🤣 You know he reminds of that meme where the guy cuts the branch he is sitting on

He could have procreated, they were advance with niyog and all to get an heir

Originally posted by: NoraSM

They were happy with 5 villages, If the war was for Draupadi then they wouldn't have tried their level best to hide in the last year of Vanvas, they wouldn't have gone for Vanvas, Why wait 12 years for the war, if that was their plan for revenge? War was their last choice because of Duryodhana

Those 5 villages were strategically selected by Sahdev who was quite pro war. He and Krishna made sure the peace offer was refused. Krishna admits it to Vidur he did it for PR sake.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Those 5 villages were strategically selected by Sahdev who was quite pro war. He and Krishna made sure the peace offer was refused. Krishna admits it to Vidur he did it for PR sake.

But had Duryodhan agreed for Indraprasth, they could have settled without war. Indraprasth could have been returned and then peace offer would have been ok

Aside it was only Sahdev who was in this plan, most probably others were ready even for the villages

That's why I like Sahdev more than even Bheem

Among Pandavas, I like Sahdev the most then Bheem and then Arjun. Am somehow neutral towards Nakul (I don't even think he did something worth mentioning except being the first to be staked and the first to reject Yaksha's threat) and loathe Yudhishtir

Originally posted by: NoraSM

🤣 You know he reminds of that meme where the guy cuts the branch he is sitting on

He could have procreated, they were advance with niyog and all to get an heir

That was the story of Kalidasa. Famous folklore.

His wife would have crossed the age by then, I doubt he could have got a child by Niyog either. Either he would have to adopt a kid which I doubt he would have (would he have adopted Karna's last alive son Vrishketu? Not mentioned in Vaishampayan Mahabharata but referenced in Jaimini parts) or Parikshit would have been the only real option

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

But had Duryodhan agreed for Indraprasth, they could have settled without war. Indraprasth could have been returned and then peace offer would have been ok

Aside it was only Sahdev who was in this plan, most probably others were ready even for the villages

That's why I like Sahdev more than even Bheem

Among Pandavas, I like Sahdev the most then Bheem and then Arjun. Am somehow neutral towards Nakul (I don't even think he did something worth mentioning except being the first to be staked and the first to reject Yaksha's threat) and loathe Yudhishtir

To return Indraprastha would mean Suyodhana admits it wasn't his. The whole point Panchali makes is criminals WHO DO NOT REPENT need punishment. If Kauarvas repent, what is the point of war?

This is one of the reasons I don't use the word revenge, avenge, vengeance in connection with Panchali. She is quite prepared to forgive if they repent. What kind of revenge is that?😆

Let me clarify - Sahdev picking villages is not from canon (that I know of). However, Krishna's manipulation of Kauravas and his admission to Vidura it was done on purpose are both very much canon. Take a look at how Krishna presents the offer. He insults the Kauravas left and right first.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Those 5 villages were strategically selected by Sahdev who was quite pro war. He and Krishna made sure the peace offer was refused. Krishna admits it to Vidur he did it for PR sake.

The way peace offering went from Kingdom to 5 villages, I guess it was to boast ego of Duryodhana, he is just the kind of guy who would think that they are settling for 5 villages because they know they will lose

But it was a hypothetical question whether they would have fought the war, if Dury had returned the Kingdom, so I think they went to Van for 12 years, thats evidence enough of their wish to avoid war and get the kingdom by completing this