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Posted: 5 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: NoraSM

If panchal naresh was looking for an alliance with Kurus, why would he plan with Pandavas winning the Swayamvar?


1 Everyone knew Duryodhan is staking claim for the throne, ultimately the Kingdom was bifurcated, Panchal forming an alliance by luring Pandavas doesn't make any sense, They get the same from Duryodhan


2 If they were partial towards Pandavas, why orgmoze a Swayamvar, just marry her off to Yudi without any competition, Swayamvar was an option, not mandatory


Absolutely! Also, Drupad's aim was DHRIST to kill DRONA. He was not up in arms for Kurukul to be destroyed like Star Plus showed. Draupadi was NOT the one he was praying for. She came as a deal with Dhrist. If his aim was to make Drau empress, he could easily marry her off to an EXISTING EMPEROR or Duryodhan. Why lure PANDAVAS? Yudhishthir and Duryodhan had a dicey claim in the throne and we all know for Kurus it is merit first.

If Krishna is not divine, how is Dury or Yudhi making any difference. And again, why archery then? It is because Drupad wanted Arjun. I don't think Draupadi was cunning cold blooded and shrewd at this point.

Her smartness came later. After she got involved in politics.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: NoraSM


Yahi to bol ri mai itna time se if This nephew would have been on Duryodhan's side, Krishna would have been on his side too, but Duryodhan marrying subhadra didn't happen therefore Krishna supported Arjun

Haan I get it. If Krishna is not divine, there was no way he would know this. Subhadra's alliance has more significance that he thought!

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Posted: 5 years ago
#83

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark


Absolutely! Also, Drupad's aim was DHRIST to kill DRONA. He was not up in arms for Kurukul to be destroyed like Star Plus showed. Draupadi was NOT the one he was praying for. She came as a deal with Dhrist. If his aim was to make Drau empress, he could easily marry her off to an EXISTING EMPEROR or Duryodhan. Why lure PANDAVAS? Yudhishthir and Duryodhan had a dicey claim in the throne and we all know for Kurus it is merit first.

If Krishna is not divine, how is Dury or Yudhi making any difference. And again, why archery then? It is because Drupad wanted Arjun. I don't think Draupadi was cunning cold blooded and shrewd at this point.

Her smartness came later. After she got involved in politics.


Yeah

All this is interesting no? 😂 The depth is marvelous

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Posted: 5 years ago
#84

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

I totally agree with your point here. I also believe this was Krishna's aim forever just like Shakuni wanted Dury aka Gandhar's blood on throne aka his nephew. Same with Krishna here and he got his way in the end. 😉

Going by pure political thoughts no intent to hurt any feelings. Yadavs were split across the two sides.

Krishna and Satyakisupported Pandavas and Balram+Narayani supported Kauravas. Yadavs would have been in the winning party irrespective of who wins. Krishna decided to to raise the weapon, Balram didn't participate in the war. Look at it they had divided the alliance with such preicision


We don't even know about the other sisters of Krishna who knows one of them might have been married to a Kaurav brothers and they were protecting sons by that while removing the other sons.


Irrespective of who won their intent could have been just to win the throne to someone from their lineage


Why did Ashwathama think of killing Pandavas after the war was over and Duryodhan was finished? Even the Pandavas death wouldn't have meant a Kaurav win then? Was it only revenge for his father? How did he think that Pandavas were there in that tent? Didn't he meet Kritvarma after having being made the Senapati......

Just think over iy

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Going by pure political thoughts no intent to hurt any feelings. Yadavs were split across the two sides.

Krishna and Satyakisupported Pandavas and Balram+Narayani supported Kauravas. Yadavs would have been in the winning party irrespective of who wins. Krishna decided to to raise the weapon, Balram didn't participate in the war. Look at it they had divided the alliance with such preicision


We don't even know about the other sisters of Krishna who knows one of them might have been married to a Kaurav brothers and they were protecting sons by that while removing the other sons.


Irrespective of who won their intent could have been just to win the throne to someone from their lineage


Why did Ashwathama think of killing Pandavas after the war was over and Duryodhan was finished? Even the Pandavas death wouldn't have meant a Kaurav win then? Was it only revenge for his father? How did he think that Pandavas were there in that tent? Didn't he meet Kritvarma after having being made the Senapati......

Just think over iy

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Posted: 5 years ago
#86

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark


Absolutely! Also, Drupad's aim was DHRIST to kill DRONA. He was not up in arms for Kurukul to be destroyed like Star Plus showed. Draupadi was NOT the one he was praying for. She came as a deal with Dhrist. If his aim was to make Drau empress, he could easily marry her off to an EXISTING EMPEROR or Duryodhan. Why lure PANDAVAS? Yudhishthir and Duryodhan had a dicey claim in the throne and we all know for Kurus it is merit first.

If Krishna is not divine, how is Dury or Yudhi making any difference. And again, why archery then? It is because Drupad wanted Arjun. I don't think Draupadi was cunning cold blooded and shrewd at this point.

Her smartness came later. After she got involved in politics.

How does drapaudi aiming to marry pandavas make her cunning cold blooded and shrewd.


Are we reialzing that we are talking about dwarpar yug dwarpar yug. Marriage in those days was not like today all the marriage were pure politics people in those times were not hormonal teenager of today


And drapaudi was a princess princess were raised to be empress someday it just that not every princess dream came true


If drapaudi was aiming for empress position why is it so wrong how does it reduces her to cool blooded person ??? If pandavas seeking panchal alliance so that their chance of getting kingdom for themselves increases os correct and acceptable than how is drapaudi doing the same is wrong ??


What is so wrong in being shrewd ?? I am not getting how aiming for empress s position makes her cold blooded??


She was not absolutely not a love sick mooning princesslwife.

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Posted: 5 years ago
#87

Continuation 😆


So here again Another amazing bond in epic s krishna and panchali, a true friend who always stood with her no matter what , i ll go on and say he understands her more than her own husbands, in vana parva Panchali talks to him freely this s how their conversation goes , she says to him openly i was dragged infront of all during my periods in single cloth , here vyasa says she talks to Krishna something no woman talks to another men, but she says to him and cries infront of him, after this Krishna gives her vow saying the earth ll drink blood of those 4, that was pretty intense oath. Here it shows how their bond s it looks pretty modern, and the comfort and trust was quite evident.


another event s after exile sanjaya comes with for some peace talk, sanjay explains their position here i mean panchali, arjun, krishna and satya, krishana head on satya lap, arjun on krishna and his legs on panchali lap, this shows how cool all 4 r around each other.


and agian during satya and Draupadi conversation, satya asks Draupadi what magic she’s doing on 5 pandavas that they r so devoted to her and obeys her word, and asks her teach her few tricks because it’s not easy to handle our naughty krishna😆, that’s when Draupadi Says it’s not magic and gives some long talk about stree dharma and chides satya saying krishna s not some one who fall for all magic and tricks, it shows how well she knows her sakha. He never forgave what happened in duyut sabha and always wanted to bring justice to her. They says in vanparva when she explained what happened to her his eyes r so red and never seen before and all got scared, and took that intense oath of killing evil 4 .


and upapandavas I believe they r also her children only, and who r eldest s pretty confusing but I think it’s abhi only that’s y he was heir otherwise I don’t see y prati s not, that also explains y abhi got married first, this s also another evidence y polyandry existed because see if abhi s only arun son, he s just 3 prince son, prati s king and queen son, who has more right than abhi even if he s eldest,if alliance with yadavas r important Allaince with panchal s also important who’s also a mighty kingdom beside hastinapur, it’s simple abhi s also son of empress husband son and first born, so Panchali and pandavas didn’t mind that, it’s because with panchali pandavas r 5 bodies one soul, samragi didnt mind her husband son on the throne, it shows she’s not a petty , bitter stepmother but loved all princes equally and made probably 1 born abhi as heir, this only y he was married first and heir to the throne.


and about her children r not I believe they r pretty much her children only, may be late birth, it’s not uncommon, who married first r how many years they were married doesn’t matter, in Ramayana dasarath didn’t had any children even after so many years of his marriage. So this late pregnancy s not uncommon back then, and again many versions and the one i have interacted r saying arjun exile s mostly 13 months not 12 years. And again this bheem had done soma yaga to have children with Draupadi specifically that’s y he was named sutasoma, and arjun son sruthakirti was named after arjun jaitra yatra, we can’t ignore this also. And after exile upapandavas lived in panchal , mostly juggled between dwaraka and panchal, and there’s a reason they were called upapandavas because they r children of pandavas and empress, that’s y they were specifically called upapandavas, and vyasa explined them saying they resembled their fathers interms of looks so much, this makes upapandavas r like children during war, but still participated in war for their mother and fathers, that’s really brave of them, no wonder they r not in front line because they r children only , duryodhan during war says pandavas r there, subhadra son s here, panchali sons upapandavas r here, this what he says. They resembled their fathers to an extent Ashwathama murdered thinking they r pandavas , ofcourse it’s night but the resemblance played part here, this s important part of last day battle night we cannot ignore this, this made pandavas chasing after Ashwathama inturn him pointing bramhastra to uttara womb inturn krishna cursing him to live with pain eternally, these major events of last day which started with upapandavas death, so we can’t ignore how their death played role here, so their existence s pretty much important for these events.


and again in dyut sabha they were mentioned by bheem I already explained in my last post, here he says sons of ours means more than prathi, this s another evidence, another one during satya and Draupadi conversation satya consoles Draupadi saying subhadra s taking care of her children like her own. That explains here.


we can’t ignore polyandry in mahabharat, ignoring it means alsmost dismissing entire mahabharat, because her marriage s one of major turn in mahabharat, almost story revolves around them , we cannot ignore her relationship with arjun and bheem, theis scenes r more than her with yudi alone, during war arjun comment about yudi sitting on Draupadi bed explns he was not really happy about division, no polyandry means whole story s lie, without their relationship the base s not strong, almost her story and life with pandavas explains well in epic, dismissing it means dismissing so much story, that ll make most of the story as interpolation, and our beliefs and stories we heard while growing up. So polyandry s there and s main part of story.


mahabharat for me s learning, the mistakes from these characters, especially a woman should not be divided like thing, and shouldn’t be insulted, it’s greed of Kauravas, and fight between cousins, and if u r beliver( i am) god Took birth as krishna and panchali and arjun born to help him establish dharma, to wipe out these mighty arrogant men from earth and establish new generations, set an example to kaliyug and learn from mahabharat, with war he showed doesn’t matter Kaurav r pandavas all their legacies got destroyed and war brings nothing but destruction. Some people says y Kauravas punished and not pandavas, but I would like to believe he punished both, Kauravas for their actions death, pandavas life, yes life what biggest punishment can be more than this, they lived with the blood of their kin and teachers on their hands, arjun when dhrishtdyumn killed drona cries and try to kill his own brother in law it’s krishna who stopped him. So they had to live with what they had done, their victory s useless, atlast even their children died horribly. This s their punishment i think.

What ever I said About epic s what I learned and read and discussed with some professors, I pretty much held myself away from all modern versions and scholar theories, there r some things I can not really stomach, .


and thank u adhya for suggesting this thread and it was also really nice to read fellow members thoughts, those r nice and informative. Thank you.


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Posted: 5 years ago
#88

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Going by pure political thoughts no intent to hurt any feelings. Yadavs were split across the two sides.

Krishna and Satyakisupported Pandavas and Balram+Narayani supported Kauravas. Yadavs would have been in the winning party irrespective of who wins. Krishna decided to to raise the weapon, Balram didn't participate in the war. Look at it they had divided the alliance with such preicision


We don't even know about the other sisters of Krishna who knows one of them might have been married to a Kaurav brothers and they were protecting sons by that while removing the other sons.


Irrespective of who won their intent could have been just to win the throne to someone from their lineage


Why did Ashwathama think of killing Pandavas after the war was over and Duryodhan was finished? Even the Pandavas death wouldn't have meant a Kaurav win then? Was it only revenge for his father? How did he think that Pandavas were there in that tent? Didn't he meet Kritvarma after having being made the Senapati......

Just think over iy


I didn't say the last part because it might seem offending.. 🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈

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Posted: 5 years ago
#89

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark


I didn't say the last part because it might seem offending.. 🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈

I am taking Krishna as a human and a statesman here.

Right now he isn't the God I worship. We are just exploring possibilities here. If Krishna was a man


No intent to hurt anyone's feelings

Still apologies if someone felt bad

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

How does drapaudi aiming to marry pandavas make her cunning cold blooded and shrewd.

Can you tell me what made you feel like this made her cunning or anything? I don't think I meant this or said anything which meant this.

Are we reialzing that we are talking about dwarpar yug dwarpar yug. Marriage in those days was not like today all the marriage were pure politics people in those times were not hormonal teenager of today

I am unable to understand why you are reducing everything from marriage to feelings to politics. No sorry, not all marriages were meant for politics. Amba was wanting to marry Shalva because of what politics? What about Krishna's wives? What about Bhanumati and Duryodhan? I don't get you insisting Draupadi was some robot who was only looking at politics and nothing else. "She doesn't have time to lament". Also what hormonal teenager? Why do you think having feelings or emotions make someone a hormonal teenager? Draupadi can have feelings. She may feel sad or upset, how does that make her a 16 year old teenager?

And drapaudi was a princess princess were raised to be empress someday it just that not every princess dream came true


If drapaudi was aiming for empress position why is it so wrong how does it reduces her to cool blooded person ??? If pandavas seeking panchal alliance so that their chance of getting kingdom for themselves increases os correct and acceptable than how is drapaudi doing the same is wrong ??

Firstly, relax. It's you who is hell bent on proving Drau was a shrewd woman (you used exactly this word). It's not me. I don't get what makes you think I said any of this is wrong. I am just saying, it is illogical that she was all politics since the beginning before her Swayamvar and the Swayamvar was designed for Yudhishthir. Have provided enough reasons above. I am not getting where is RIGHT or WRONG coming in here. I have never said anything is correct or wrong.


What is so wrong in being shrewd ?? I am not getting how aiming for empress s position makes her cold blooded??


She was not absolutely not a love sick mooning princesslwife.


Well, try seeing something other than black or white. Either she is shrewd woman who knows nothing but politics or she is some lovesick "teenager". Quoting you. Why? Why can't she be abit of both? She was a princess too, she also had her ambitions to be happy. At the point of Swayamvar, she is freaking not aiming for anything. She gets the offer of marrying Yudhi, and she takes it. And this is just common sense. Her political sense grows AFTER that. This is all I said.


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