Polyandry in Mahabharata - Page 7

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

See there were two teams team krishnaa (drapaudi ) and team pandavas. For team p alliance was needed for obviously having some baking against there cousins. And vyasa wanted to help them out since probably because he was aware of injustice happened on them or for some other reasons but he did wanted to help hence why he goes to them with this proposal.

Now team D also wanted to this alliance because first very obviously an alliance with kuru kingdom yudhishtra still was heir apparent. Krishna having supported this match would have gained alliance fir dwaraka and also because i feel dwaraka and panchal were friends for long time reason why krishna was present and did not participate he was krishnaa s friend and very much part of the plan

Now neither of them team could be sure of the other moves hence while team D made a plan to lure arjuna in to the trap and sent vyasa to narrate the long tale of previous birth team p set up that potter house incident and that s how the one of the biggest alliance came into existence 😎

About yudhishtra i don't think he was such a praja premi.

What you said is basically Aryavarta Chronicles, no? 😂😂

Anyway this works perfectly even if she gets married to all five princes. Makes no difference at all.

Originally posted by: NoraSM

I am saying wise minds have lost the war too, None can predict it. It's a story where we are seeing Krishna as someone who is doing everything in his power so some dude in Indraprastha can be the emperor, Why? The story was told and written after the war ended, If you think in retrospect one is bound to wonder if it was all a set up, Like we were wondering if Draupadi planned her insult to getBhatija

Why would Krishna fight for Yudi?

What if Krishna was supporting Arjuna because his Bhatija was going to be the king (Abhimanyu) like Shakuni was supporting his Bhatijas ? Now transfer this Bhatija and Behen to Duryodhan and Duryodhan has 2 mama + 2 Bhatija

One example I give you, In 2019 general Elections we all thought the result will be close with so many alliances, biggest alliance in UP which was supposed to restrict BJP, Modi was confident that he will get 300+ seats, now in retrospect everyone made Amit Shah a chanakya who planned everything, now we don't know what made people vote for Modi but the credit goes to this duo, Again this duo couldn't repeat their magic in state elections, You see one can never be sure of future

Because we must never confuse monarchy with democracy. You cannot predict masses or people, you may control events and kings and queens. But I get your point.

However, I believe this set up is because Krishna is painted divine and if that's true then I believe Mahabharata is a story, not history.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

But if all princesses were raised to be empresses, then nobody except Crown princes would find themselves wives. 😂😂😂

Another thing, Drupad's bet was not on Panchali. His only aim was revenge from Drona - he needed Dhristadyumna and he also looked for a BOY (adoption or whatever it was) . Draupadi came in as a deal, she was probably Dhrist's biological sister if adopted or born to Drupad if biological.

Now are we accepting the prophecy that this girl will bring in end of Kurus?

Her body gave out fragrance like that of a blue lotus, perceivable from a distance of full two miles. Her beauty was such that she had no equal on earth. Like a celestial herself, she could be desired (in marriage) by a celestial, a Danava, or a: Yaksha. When this girl of fair hips was born an incorporeal voice said, 'This dark-complexioned girl will be the first of all women, and she will be the cause of the destruction of many Kshatriyas. This slender-waisted one will, in time, accomplish the purpose of the gods, and along with her many a danger will overtake the Kauravas.'

If yes, then it was already a given that she would probably be an empress. Or else it would be tough for her to overtake Kurus

Not everyone s aim came to true brishti that wad the sad reality but given an option any princess that day would happily choose the crown prince over the third brother. And drapaudi was not any princess she was the smartest of them all

Kuru and panchal were two of the strongest kingdom of those times. So i don't think why drapaud will not want to have an alliance with them plus we have krishna s involvement panchali s best friend who had a lot to gain.

Not everything has to be worded sometimes we also have to take into consideration socio-political structure of those times

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Because we must never confuse monarchy with democracy. You cannot predict masses or people, you may control events and kings and queens. But I get your point.

However, I believe this set up is because Krishna is painted divine and if that's true then I believe Mahabharata is a story, not history.

🤒🤕 you ignored my mama-bhatija theory 😞

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

What you said is basically Aryavarta Chronicles, no? 😂😂

Anyway this works perfectly even if she gets married to all five princes. Makes no difference at all.

No it is mb some citation are there like vyasa meets. The archery contest being set up for pandavas. Krishna being present still not participating because he knew panchali from long and was part of the plan. Mathura being attacked by jarasandh krishna obviously will want to throw away this constant fear of being attacked once for all him helping in this plan will obviously gain him two powerful allies And some things can easily be concluded taking socio-political dynamic of those times

I think we should give credit where it is due. Krishna udayshnakar was correct on a lot of points including the shishupal vadh being one of the driving force behind the dice game because duryodhan does mentions this point to shakuni when they were planning of dice game.

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

I think she had good relationship with all of them and no one of was more special than the others. Not even arjuna.

I would agree to disagree here 😇

The text gives out the vibes (in my opinion) that she knew Bheem loved her more than others so she trusted Bheem while she personally loved Arjun more than others. Note that I don't mean she fell for Arjun when he hit the fish eye or anything. It is a mature relationship that grew after marriage.

I also feel she wasn't born and then brought up painted and stuffed with politics and was a part of plans and alliances since the beginning. I believe her political awareness, her intelligence and enigma comes out after her marriage, as she grew older learnt and understood things. I don't think she married with some aim. She was only intelligent enough to understand that marrying Yudhi would give her the title of the empress and understanding this much isn't rocket science. Any princess would know this. But I below events played in favour of her leading her to marry Yudhi+4. I don't believe she had some pre planned notion of marrying Yudhi or she was power hungry and didn't care about Arjun since the Swayamvar.

What if Karna would have won? What would she do then. Karna is not a match for Arjun but he isn't completely useless in terms of warrior skills either. So I think her whole planning and schemes came after marriage.

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

No it is mb some citation are there like vyasa meets. The archery contest being set up for pandavas. Krishna being present still not participating because he knew panchali from long and was part of the plan. Mathura being attacked by jarasandh krishna obviously will want to throw away this constant fear of being attacked once for all him helping in this plan will obviously gain him two powerful allies And some things can easily be concluded taking socio-political dynamic of those times

I think we should give credit where it is due. Krishna udayshnakar was correct on a lot of points including the shishupal vadh being one of the driving force behind the dice game because duryodhan does mentions this point to shakuni when they were planning of dice game.

Many authors get some points right. So did Krishna Udayshankar. I personally didn't like everything about the book because she made only Keshav and Panchali the two main characters and everyone else reduced to nothing. She also reduces MB to completely a game of blood and politics which is okay but completely negating feelings, philosophy and emotion is not desirable IMO. I believe Mahabharata to have many other themes, not only Aryavarta politics. Besides only Keshav and Panchali were not the driving force. This is just my POV tho.

But coming back to your point about the alliance, that's fine. I just said that it works well if she is wife to all five. 👍👍

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Not everyone s aim came to true brishti that wad the sad reality but given an option any princess that day would happily choose the crown prince over the third brother. And drapaudi was not any princess she was the smartest of them all

Kuru and panchal were two of the strongest kingdom of those times. So i don't think why drapaud will not want to have an alliance with them plus we have krishna s involvement panchali s best friend who had a lot to gain.

Not everything has to be worded sometimes we also have to take into consideration socio-political structure of those times

Yeah, so basically it's the same result if she marries only Yudhishthir or all five. And any smart woman IMO will take a king and a better husband together than accept only a king. 

I am not saying she would choose only Arjun over Yudhishthir. I am only trying to say this reason cannot negate polyandry as her alliance works perfectly fine even if she was wife to all 5 as all 5 includes Yudhishthir! 😆

Also one more point. If being empress was the issue, how could Krishna know for sure (as Nora and I were discussing rn) of Yudhishthir being emperor? Duryodhan could be King too. Knowing Yudhi he could anyday leave his claim to throne for the sake of his cousins.

Also, there were many KINGS present in Drau's swayamvar except Yudhi who was only a crown prince that too questionable. Why not them and why Yudhi.

Now, alliance can take place by marrying any prince, not necessarily the king. Why king? To be the Queen or Empress. And if that was the case, anyone would choose a clear heir to the throne than choose Yudhishthir, a crown prince who orgasms over forgiveness and it was so easy to get him to quit his rights. How did Krishna know it would not be Duryodhan.

Originally posted by: NoraSM

🤒🤕 you ignored my mama-bhatija theory 😞

I didn't notice the edit. Just saw it RN. He was definitely supporting Arjun. He wanted ABHI'S son to become the king because he had Yadava blood. But again how would he know Ashwathama would murder Yudhi's kids. 🤣

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

I would agree to disagree here 😇

The text gives out the vibes (in my opinion) that she knew Bheem loved her more than others so she trusted Bheem while she personally loved Arjun more than others. Note that I don't mean she fell for Arjun when he hit the fish eye or anything. It is a mature relationship that grew after marriage.

I also feel she wasn't born and then brought up painted and stuffed with politics and was a part of plans and alliances since the beginning. I believe her political awareness, her intelligence and enigma comes out after her marriage, as she grew older learnt and understood things. I don't think she married with some aim. She was only intelligent enough to understand that marrying Yudhi would give her the title of the empress and understanding this much isn't rocket science. Any princess would know this. But I below events played in favour of her leading her to marry Yudhi+4. I don't believe she had some pre planned notion of marrying Yudhi or she was power hungry and didn't care about Arjun since the Swayamvar.

What if Karna would have won? What would she do then. Karna is not a match for Arjun but he isn't completely useless in terms of warrior skills either. So I think her whole planning and schemes came after marriage.

Forget Karna what if Bheeshm had come to win the princess for Duryodhan. He could have easily accomplished. Plus I don't think Draupad personally would have much issues with Duryodhan either. His Adharma was not made public by then people considered him the Yuvraj of the biggest kingdom present. He would have infact loved this alliance without divine inteaarvention.

Krishna had his sister handy, had an alliance of Duryodhan and Panchali happened, he could have easily married her to any of the Kaurav brothers (his intention definitely wasn't to get a crown prince for his sister and he couldn't have anticipated that his nephew would become the crown prince) still winning a support by the two most powerful kingdoms. Yes Karna's win could have hampered his situation so maybe he was ready with Sutaputra excuse had he won