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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: angel_juhi04

I am posting sumthn abt Anise's suicide. I am not supporting suicide but wat she did was d reality of many women in loveless marriage. Anise was forcibly married to Fahrettin n was separated 4m her love. AnFa may have consummated n had a kid due to society's pressure. There is a show on Star Plus Jaana Na Dil Se Door where d heroine is forcibly married to another man in return of d lover's life who is d hero. D heroine is rude to d hero n his family or sumthn like dat as she can't love any other man apart 4m d hero. Who knows Anise's lover was also threatened to be killed. Also, its a rural Islamic society where love marriages r seen as wrong. Even Mukaddes once said dat wen she was a child, a woman was killed in her village for being pregnant out of wedlock. I am again saying dat I don't support Anise's suicide but d pain she was going is d pain hundreds of women go thru due to forced n loveless marriage. Its not easy to love any other man especially wen u r cruelly separated 4m ur love. Its not a desi show of our desh dat 2 people in loveless n forced marriage will have a happy ending. Dis show is showing d reality of d actual happening in d world. D last straw for Anise was her lover committing suicide judt cuz she got pregnant wid another man. She felt betrayed at his chauvinistic mind along wid feeling bad for his death. Many women like Anise go into depression due to such situation n don't get normal even after years. They either lose their mental balance or commit suicide. They r not able to cope wid their feelings even wen they a kid. So, wateva happened I don't think it to be either Anise or Fahrettin or even Meryem's fault for hiding d letter but d fault was of only Anise's family n society.



Enise's situation isn't cleared to us from Flashbacks. All we know that she loved a man, who died of unknown consequences. Enise believed that he died due to heartbreak, but it can be the other way round like Fahrettin mentioned that he maybe just lusted after her and committed suicide to get even with her, to leave her guilty for his death.

Enise and Farhettin's marriage wasn't really love less, cuz her husband loved her. If not for him, then for her son she should've given another chance to her life.

I agree love marriages are not considered appropriate in rural Islamic conditions and even in Hinduism till today and according to me, getting pregnant outside wedlock is a sin and not only me in many religions it is considered to be a sin, but not a sin to murder or kill a woman for it. So judging Enise's state from just a speck of flashback is not done.


Desi shows may have unrealistic storylines but they're not a representation of our society. If India has a share of conservative people then we have liberal people too and I think every country in the world has the same mix of people.
Its not that every forced marriage in India finds a happy ending like every love marriage has to be successful. Or the mindset that two people in arranged marriage don't find love.


Regarding those women who are separated from their lovers, I agree that they find it difficult to cope up with their feelings but I know some women who are now happy with their husbands and kids without any compromise.
The key is to not rot yourself in such things rather face life and start afresh.
Depression and Suicide is not a solution to anything and what Enise did to her son and Farhettin was wrong.
Even Farhettin wasn't the husband of the year, where he left Enise and Kerim alone. But as mentioned in the flashback and even now, that he tried to win Enise's love and trust but she was too busy being depressed. Both are at faults for not making their marriage work and as a result of which Kerim suffered.
Edited by MohabbatGirl.x - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: angel_juhi04

FG was right in slapping Kerim. Wat d hell was he thinking before grabbing her? Still, I don't think he wud have raped her otherwise it will butcher his character n there will be no difference between him n E-S-V. I think he wud have stopped by himself even if she did not slapped him.

Agree with u that FG was right in slapping him. But from where did u get this vague idea that there can be even a possibility of rape attempt by Kerim on FG. I am not saying that he is right in what he did but I can understand his state of mind.
That scene is very heart breaking but at the same time very beautiful. Hopefully, zindagi wont mess with the translation.
N as shown in the precap he never said Mujhe tumare kareeb aane do.
Its was his desperate plea for love from FG.😳
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Posted: 8 years ago
Enise & her avtaars

Enise as a daughter
She was obedient to respect her parent's decision in marry their choice.
Result : a forced marriage ...spreading darkness in 3 lives namely herself, her husband and her child

Enise as a lover
She wholeheartedly loved a gentleman. Who may have reciprocated her love. She would happy be if this relationship culminated in a marriage.
Result : Speculation of all ifs...since its was just a dream which never came true.
This is again drawing parallels with FG...who dreamt that her life was "set" with Musti. But reality was something very different(Engin ...your Asli reading is a must to everyone)

Enise as a wife
She took care of the household as a dutiful wife...but more on mechanics than a mind to it.
Result : Unhappy marriage, unwanted child and unwanted miseries

Enise as a mother
This is the most important avatar for any female (yeah...including the entire animal kingdom here)
A mother sharing that umbilical chord with her unborn child has already developed a relationship unknowingly. They work on a symbiotic world sharing the intimate feelings which *no-one* in this world can experience. *yup all men.. you lose here*
And the child too implicitly feels secure with their mother's womb, later her voice & touch.
The mother-child world is so unique and that unless experienced ...no words can fill them.

Result : No conclusion can be drawn.
I really don't understand the reason for abandoning the child...have to sum up as several factors leading an unsound state of mind.
Maybe the face of Kerim reminded of her betrayal in love
Maybe she was not ready for child. Hence that disinterest
Maybe she had prolong post partum condition which went undetected
Maybe she knew that Kerim will realize the truth...and didnt want another round of accusations
Maybe Deg F taunted her ..on her alleged affair etc
Maybe the village gossip fueled to the delicate mind
Maybe she never had anyone to share her feelings.
Maybe...Maybe...
She is the next Vural of the story for dummy.

Like @Shanaya mentions...her background is very vague at this point of time.

All said n done...suicide(s) are not any solutions to problems.
In fact they leave behind larger problems than solving them.

Edited by DefLeppard - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Dloves you echoed my thought 100% on explanation of MQ's TEARS upon reading the letters...It was on my mind to write it but got really busy and just didn't have the time to do it .

It breaks my heart to watch Kerim in this condition *sigh* and I don't think I have the heart to watch him ' sort of ' force himself on her so I am going to skip first 10 minutes of the epi 😭

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shalu79

Agree with u that FG was right in slapping him. But from where did u get this vague idea that there can be even a possibility of rape attempt by Kerim on FG. I am not saying that he is right in what he did but I can understand his state of mind.
That scene is very heart breaking but at the same time very beautiful. Hopefully, zindagi wont mess with the translation.
N as shown in the precap he never said Mujhe tumare kareeb aane do.
Its was his desperate plea for love from FG.😳


I wrote 4m some posts on previous where its written dat Kerim is wrong in forcing himself on her. But I wrote ba dat I don't think he wud have raped her cuz it will butcher his character. I hope he don't do anything even close to wrong.
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Posted: 8 years ago
PLS post original dialogues of SLAPGATE as soon as possible after the telecast.
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Posted: 8 years ago
So...when is/was the right time for Maryem to share Mummy's Mine Letter
*pun intended*

Kerim was barely six year old boy when the tragedy strikes his life.
He is taken under the wings of Sr.Maryem & Maryem. They claim to never read the letter for years to come.
By then Sr. Maryem dies, Maryem is too fragile to continue her life. No courage to share the letter.
Kerim is shown to be pre-teen by then.
Pre-teens are the most formative years in a lifetime. The value systems get their foundation based on which a super structures of a Kerim, Erdo, Meltem, FG ...infact anyone is built.
If the letter had reached then...the confused kid would have run away from to end up in a juvenile rehab(if that existed )...else drifted...either good or bad.

Couple of years later, Kerim is a teenager, raring to take on life, rebel without a cause, more of hormones than a head! (Apologies to any teens out here). He would understood the letter half baked more to his convenience ...a begin to be misogynist. Now these complexities are difficult to shake off...unlike its mindless desi drama like an ASR. Kerim would rather use his energies having a good education, military service, have a fling with Kristine etc.

Now Kerim is 26 years old. He is much beaten after the rape incident, unplanned marriage & adversities in life. He is in a better position to understand the complex realities, relativities etc since he is already living in one such world.
There would have been no other timing than this age/phase of Kerim's life...IF this "mine " had to be stepped. Else it was easier Maryem to play mine sweeper & move it to next level.
On the hind sight...MQ triggered this unwanted mine sweep play...by hastily writing to a dad with assets.
Lets believe...whatever happens...happens for the best.
Deg F arrives for redemption
Maryem & Kadir get closer
Kerim to realize Maryem's intentions
Kerim & FG play another lets learn to love
MQ should realize...all have their fair of problems
And Finally Kerim its a classic case of.lost n found !!

And waiting for exploding acting from the cast
*selfish viewer*sucker for drama and grey shades*
Edited by DefLeppard - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: NavyaKavya30


It breaks my heart to watch Kerim in this condition *sigh* and I don't think I have the heart to watch him ' sort of ' force himself on her so I am going to skip first 10 minutes of the epi 😭


You will need to skip the last 10 minutes then😆 Though I would suggest, watch it. And then read the original dialogues when they get posted here. The scene is awkward, its bad, its embarrassing but its definitely not filthy 😳
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Posted: 8 years ago
How come dat kameena buddha easily removed Kerim 4m d job? He told him in an indirect way dat he is fired nas he left he told others to not let him even stand here if he comes again. Really felt bad for him. Ghalib wud have never removed him like dat had he been alive.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: angel_juhi04

I am posting sumthn abt Anise's suicide. I am not supporting suicide but wat she did was d reality of many women in loveless marriage. Anise was forcibly married to Fahrettin n was separated 4m her love. AnFa may have consummated n had a kid due to society's pressure. There is a show on Star Plus Jaana Na Dil Se Door where d heroine is forcibly married to another man in return of d lover's life who is d hero. D heroine is rude to d hero n his family or sumthn like dat as she can't love any other man apart 4m d hero. Who knows Anise's lover was also threatened to be killed. Also, its a rural Islamic society where love marriages r seen as wrong. Even Mukaddes once said dat wen she was a child, a woman was killed in her village for being pregnant out of wedlock. I am again saying dat I don't support Anise's suicide but d pain she was going is d pain hundreds of women go thru due to forced n loveless marriage. Its not easy to love any other man especially wen u r cruelly separated 4m ur love. Its not a desi show of our desh dat 2 people in loveless n forced marriage will have a happy ending. Dis show is showing d reality of d actual happening in d world. D last straw for Anise was her lover committing suicide judt cuz she got pregnant wid another man. She felt betrayed at his chauvinistic mind along wid feeling bad for his death. Many women like Anise go into depression due to such situation n don't get normal even after years. They either lose their mental balance or commit suicide. They r not able to cope wid their feelings even wen they a kid. So, wateva happened I don't think it to be either Anise or Fahrettin or even Meryem's fault for hiding d letter but d fault was of only Anise's family n society.


Firstly I would say suicide is not an option really. But chalo, some people think it is...so why didnt she do it when they arranged her marriage with Fahrettin? Had she died then she would have proven her love to her lover, not ruined Fahrettin's life & ofc Kerim's either. Also, if she felt betrayed by her lovers chauvinism, then was he deserving of Enise's death? Enise had a boy, maybe she should have concentrated her energies in raising him to be less of a MCP than her ex. In my eyes nothing can justify abandoning you children, ever.


I think if you give birth to a kid it is your moral duty to take care of the child. There are a lot of women who get married against their will. They are never able to love their husband, but they do manage to love their child. There are so many women are are mentally challenged but even then manage to shower their kids with love in their own way.


IMO both Enise & Fahrettin were selfish people who didnt give a damn about the life they had created. Had Meryem not been around Kerim would have landed up with Social Services & most of the kids from there go on to become thugs. What sort of a life did Enise & Fahrettin leave for Kerim

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