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Posted: 11 years ago
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You've raised a nice question... but I agree with starstruckk. Kashaf was freaked out a little bit... & Zaroon shouldn't have insisted her to come on the front seat... & he should have understood her point... because in last episode he said the same thing to his sister Zara... why doesn't this applicable on Kashaf... I feel Zaroon over reacted at that time... Plus he knows that Kashaf doesn't believe him... if he thinks that women should not travel all alone so late at night that should be applicable equally to Kashaf... why he objected to Zara only or for that matter Asmara... he is contradicting himself... the issue is Zaroon's big ego...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Along with the points mentioned above, I also think Kashaf wants to be self reliant. She doesn't want to accept gifts or favours she can't return, especially from the privileged class.
She has no money or status. The only thing she has is her self respect. And each time she has to depend on somebody or someone doubts her, she feels that respect diminishing.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Star_girl

I mean I get it. Zaroon, for Kashaf symbolizes everything she was not allowed to have. Money, social status, luck, good looks, happiness, everything. But when Zaroon dropped her home tonight, the least she could do was manage a genuine thank you. For whatever reasons, the fact remains that Zaroon did help her in need. He did not have to. Yes, he has his sinister agenda, but he did deserve an acknowledgement from Kashaf tonight.

Which brings me to my question, why does Kashaf hate Zaroon so much? Why does she need to get into arguments with him? Is it merely an extension of her misandry and distrust of men in general, or is it person-specific? Like Zaroon, I too was wondering about the same. Does Kashaf dislike all men, or is her resentment specially reserved for Zaroon?
Would love a discussion on the same.

Kashaf is extremely complexed. She doesn't trust men because of the way her father has treated her mother. She resents that they have such a tough life because of that.
I know that she is the oldest child and must be remembering the unhappiness in the house when her father married again, so that also must be adding to the lack of trust that she has on men.
But, at the end of the day, her other sisters are not half as negative as she is. So it must be her basic nature that also makes her like that.
What I don't like about her character is, that she is rude. Its okay to be aloof, a person of few words/introvert. But where does she get her rudeness from? She was rude to Osama in the library, she's always snubbing Maria, and I thought she was out of place and rude about Zaroon in the class discussion. She was getting personal by dragging "his upper class" into the argument.
He is being a creep by plotting to "patao" her and he deserved it that his plans were overheard and thwarted, but I still think Kashaf is not justified at all to be so rude.
Though I feel for her, and my heart broke when she wept at the humiliation by Zaroon, and I also felt that she is a strong person because she bounces right back, I still think she is quite rude.
And for that, there is no excuse.
In the real world, no matter what the internal troubles are, it will be brought down to upbringing.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Guys, sorry for being a little late, but absolutely fabulous points. I really wanted to discuss and understand Kashaf as a person, and all of you brought up some wonderful points.
Thank you so much for contributing to the discussion.
@Starstruck- Hey, long time. Yes, what you said is completely true. Kashaf is comparatively mellow with Usama, but not with Zaroon. Both their egos and upbringing have shaped their personality. And you're right. She sort of uses her rudeness as a shield against everything Zaroon represents. Loved your post.
@Tripsy- You had me at "Jai Mata" shows. 😆 Yes, I wanted to say that Kashaf is rude. Misandry I understand, but her rudeness, I don't.
@ Pinkeye- Yes, I agree. She is extremely sensitive and suspicious when it comes to men. Her attitude to Zaroon is both a product of her misandry and her specific distaste for Zaroon. Great points. Thank you so much.
@ Queen - Exactly. Zaroon's attitude changed within seconds. Anyone would be suspicious, let alone a girl like Kashaf.
@ Neva Mind- Hey, yes. My point was precisely that. Kashaf is rude. Not just to Zaroon, but with everyone. I get it that she is this refreshing heroine who stands up for her rights, but being unnecessarily rude with people is not empowering. That is what second-wave feminism has mistranslated to general public. Yes, Kashaf's rudeness is her defence mechanism, her way to avoid getting close to people, but rudeness is not excusable either. It's not about Zaroon, it's about everyone.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I find Kashaf to be sensitive , vulnerable but has strong will power and dignity . She is watching this situations in her family from the time her father married again and left them to fend themselves . Her mother brought them up with values and self respect . She has seen her mother struggling . You get fed up with this going on life sometimes when you look at the attitude of your father who never leaves a opportunity to insult her mother . How she can trust a man . I find her very normal girl ,living in these kind of conditions .
As for Jaroon , he has good looks , girls are after him and he is Casanova and Kashaf became a challenge for him as she is equal t him in studies , do not mince the words and gives him back . She has her head on her shoulder , does not trust Jaroon . And Jaroon thinks every girl will be his if he just lifts the finger .
So simple and real approach to middle class where you have to struggle daily in real life . And Kashaf is self respecting girl and how can she tolrate the conversation Jaroon was having with his friends . Loved her fighting spirit where she is not a bit gave damn about Jaroon . And as for going with him in the car at night , if you are living in middle class family and people will naturally point finger at you and she could not bring this kind of shame to her family .
For Jaroon she is some Ajuba ans slowly she is in his mind and making him restless . and Kashaf is also disturbed with the incident
I liked the story where its not romance but some truths from real life around you in youngsters . There is balance in the story .and this is not ego with Kashaf yes its with Jaroon .
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Posted: 11 years ago
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{ Yes, Kashaf's rudeness is her defence mechanism, her way to avoid getting close to people, but rudeness is not excusable either. It's not about Zaroon, it's about everyone. }

If you look at Kashaf ,s background and struggle of her family , then one can understand her not trusting the man , She sw her father,s behavior who gave damn to them and their mother . Mother is carrying the responsibilities of her daughters . Anyone can be cynical . Kashaf is more sensitive and do not have patience to call spade a spade . Father comes and insults mother which daughter will stand silently and listen t this . Its the circumstances which makes you rude and Jaroon has quite a reputation in the university ,why she has to be friendly with him , Its her choice . Atleast watching the female with self respect and dignity .
Agree with your above line .
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Neerjaa

{ Yes, Kashaf's rudeness is her defence mechanism, her way to avoid getting close to people, but rudeness is not excusable either. It's not about Zaroon, it's about everyone. }


If you look at Kashaf ,s background and struggle of her family , then one can understand her not trusting the man , She sw her father,s behavior who gave damn to them and their mother . Mother is carrying the responsibilities of her daughters . Anyone can be cynical . Kashaf is more sensitive and do not have patience to call spade a spade . Father comes and insults mother which daughter will stand silently and listen t this . Its the circumstances which makes you rude and Jaroon has quite a reputation in the university ,why she has to be friendly with him , Its her choice . Atleast watching the female with self respect and dignity .
Agree with your above line .


In fact I think Kashaf, though she is sensitive, she is the only one who can call a spade a spade. She stands up to her father and has given it to him on 2 occasions. She has also refused any help from Osama/Maria and Zaroon, also, if she could help it. She didnt take a ride with him after college one day, but after the rock show, she had no choice. There also she refused to move an inch from her stance.
There is a directing problem in this serial, and the lack of consistency in the characters come out. Some have already started showing up. And that's the bigger problem I have with Kashaf's rudeness.

We'll see as it goes along. :)
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Anne,I had the same question in mind. But then again,I can understand whats going on in her mind,partially atleast. Except for the not saying thank you part.
According to Freudian theory,if a person is attracted towards another being,it seems to him/her that he needs to seek control of that being(in all honesty,control of himself is more accurate.) when he fails at gaining control of that being(again,more precisely himself),he tends to react negatively towards that being. all in a desperate attempt to gather control of himself.

Kashaf felt threatened by him,as well as by her own emotions.

Although,this still doesn't explain the not saying "thank u" part. Everything else that happened that night is understandable. The way Zaroon kept insisting on coming and sitting beside him must have made Kashaf wonder what's going on in his mind. This insecurity might also be a result of her not understanding males. Not understanding that some of them CAN actually mean well.

Zaroon ofcourse was mending his ways feeding on his own ego,but not THAT night. He helped her out and she blew it.Period.

Whose fault was it.Dont know. Ive been around Zaroon kind of liberal men mostly,so in that case,Zaroon wasn't wrong.Not at all. But knowing how Kashaf's mindset is,I totally get her perspective too.

Man I rememba how I was when I had got into a co-ed study atmosphere. I looked at every guy with "shakki nazarein" as though he is trying to get his hands on me 🤣 Its natural.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: The.Patthaaka.

Anne,I had the same question in mind. But then again,I can understand whats going on in her mind,partially at least. Except for the not saying thank you part.

According to Freudian theory,if a person is attracted towards another being,it seems to him/her that he needs to seek control of that being(in all honesty,control of himself is more accurate.) when he fails at gaining control of that being(again,more precisely himself),he tends to react negatively towards that being. all in a desperate attempt to gather control of himself.

Kashaf felt threatened by him,as well as by her own emotions.

Although,this still doesn't explain the not saying "thank u" part. Everything else that happened that night is understandable. The way Zaroon kept insisting on coming and sitting beside him must have made Kashaf wonder what's going on in his mind.
Here Jaroon,s reputation proceeds him as all girls are fida on him . Kashaf priority is study and she is from different situation where family is struggling to keep afloat . She does not want to be one in the crowd of Jaroon,s admirers. And naturally she will wonder why he is time and again coming to her .
This insecurity might also be a result of her not understanding males. Not understanding that some of them CAN actually mean well.

As for male she has seen her father and the sufferings of her mother ,so trust matter takes a backseat .

Zaroon of course was mending his ways feeding on his own ego,but not THAT night. He helped her out and she blew it.Period.
The background she is coming from and middle class , people will not stop pointing fingers at her character.And i found her answer to Jaroon was practical about her alone with him . How much she knows Jaroon ?

Whose fault was it.Dont know. Ive been around Zaroon kind of liberal men mostly,so in that case,Zaroon wasn't wrong.Not at all. But knowing how Kashaf's mindset is,I totally get her perspective too.

Man I remember how I was when I had got into a co-ed study atmosphere. I looked at every guy with "shakki nazarein" as though he is trying to get his hands on me 🤣 Its natural.



Its not that if you are in Co.ed institution that you can not have healthy friendship . But here its different with Kashaf , she has to be careful where her father is ready to point finger at her and insult her mother .
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Posted: 11 years ago
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No Neerjaa,I dint mean friendly relationships are not possible. I meant,when a girl enters a co-ed atmosphere for the FIRST time,she's bound to feel threatened to a certain extent by the opposite sex.
I totally get Kashaf's Pov. Except the thank you 😆
I totally get Zaroon's pov too,except for his chauvinsm peaking at times 😆

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