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Originally posted by: aquaHP

Hey dreamygal! You expressed everything so perfectly. So much better than I did. I don't have any other reply so I'll just bold the important things you said because it seems that most people here are more into making one couple seem more superior than the other rather than wanting to see a good story.

I don't know about others but I would love to see you participate more in the forum so I can hear your thoughts on the storyline. I read all the general posts on the forum but I hang out more in the KuKu AT (It's kind of become my forum fam because the people genuinely want to discuss the characters and their role in the story.).

I used to be really active in the forum once upon a time but eventually got frustrated with the illogical writing (cos I am a writer in real life also) so take long breaks away from IF. After a long time away this show had captured my interest because it did start of really well because the writing actually made sense! For the first time in a long while there was clear character goal, motivation and conflict with logical plot points. Not sure how it is now as I have yet to watch Jan/Feb episodes but I am listening to all and it seems like in terms of story telling the show has entered the midpoint....😳

@ bold - At the moment I am super busy with my current writing/editing. That book example given above is in some way the experiences of forum people for practically every show in indian tv. It is hard for many to see the big picture or even understand the techniques of writing when emotions are invested so heavily in a show, like with Misbir/KuKu. Trust me they would not welcome someone coming into give them pointers as to why suddenly KuKu are given more importance than Misbir and etc. I have done that in the past and many did love reading my analysis but there was also select group who did not...

Thanks for your words. Will try to pop in whenever I can. As a writer I do like reading everyone's take on the episodes even if I am way behind in viewing. Take care🤗

Originally posted by: aquaHP

Hey dreamygal! You expressed everything so perfectly. So much better than I did. I don't have any other reply so I'll just bold the important things you said because it seems that most people here are more into making one couple seem more superior than the other rather than wanting to see a good story.

I don't know about others but I would love to see you participate more in the forum so I can hear your thoughts on the storyline. I read all the general posts on the forum but I hang out more in the KuKu AT (It's kind of become my forum fam because the people genuinely want to discuss the characters and their role in the story.).

I don’t think the main issue is that people feel one couple is superior than the other. I am a die heart Mishbir fan but I like Kuku also. However, the way the writers are executing both stories is a major issue. Their constant need to show parallels is problematic. If one couple is in a song sequence, they add the other couple to the mix and then it’s like a tennis match and neither fandom is able to appreciate the efforts of the team. Editing of scenes is choppy. I am okay if they develop kuku story properly, instead of these half baked scenes and tracks and imposing both couples in between each other’s scenes. And what is the bloody rush. It’s as if the writers have a train to catch. Neither of the couples are having a heartfelt conversation.
the marriage track of mishbir was awaited since long. But in the name of drama they have made a khichdi and done justice to neither couples. Kuhu had a very beautiful character development post leap, which they have kind of ruined. Make her grey, but no they are making her into meenu part 2.
so these are the reasons so much criticism is being thrown at the writers. It’s as if they have a lot to say and they want to vomit all tracks at the same time. It would do them a lot of good if they rein in.

Originally posted by: Dreamygal301

I used to be really active in the forum once upon a time but eventually got frustrated with the illogical writing (cos I am a writer in real life also) so take long breaks away from IF. After a long time away this show had captured my interest because it did start of really well because the writing actually made sense! For the first time in a long while there was clear character goal, motivation and conflict with logical plot points. Not sure how it is now as I have yet to watch Jan/Feb episodes but I am listening to all and it seems like in terms of story telling the show has entered the midpoint....😳

@ bold - At the moment I am super busy with my current writing/editing. That book example given above is in some way the experiences of forum people for practically every show in indian tv. It is hard for many to see the big picture or even understand the techniques of writing when emotions are invested so heavily in a show, like with Misbir/KuKu. Trust me they would not welcome someone coming into give them pointers as to why suddenly KuKu are given more importance than Misbir and etc. I have done that in the past and many did love reading my analysis but there was also select group who did not...

Thanks for your words. Will try to pop in whenever I can. As a writer I do like reading everyone's take on the episodes even if I am way behind in viewing. Take care🤗

That's so cool! I am looking for a career change and want to shift to a form of story telling but I have a long way to go before I reach somewhere substantial. Coming to the show, I get what you're saying. This show had a charm in the beginning that set it apart from other ITV shows. I was really intrigued at the start because all the characters were so interesting, layered and properly fleshed out. It was clearly visible that they had worked very hard to create each character but with time, the characters have become one dimensional. The leap had brought a bit of stability back to the story but now they seem to be losing it again.

@bold - I have definitely seen that happening in the few posts that I have created or tried to interact in. Post leap, people were more open to discussing both couples and so, it was possible to discuss the story arc but not anymore. As you said, people's feelings are heavily invested in a couple of their choice.

I have mentioned this in another post also that I have become like a brand ambassador of the KuKu AT because I keep advertising it to people to come and share their views and opinions. There are a whole bunch of people on that AT who like discussing the story and characters but as the name suggests, it's more KuKu centric. We do discuss the overall arc most of the time but most of the participants have stopped posting on the forum because of the backlash from emotionally invested fans. People seem to just want to discuss one couple and no other character so most of them just stick to the AT. Since I am still pretty new to the forum, I try making posts covering as many characters as possible but it does feel like I will stop doing that pretty soon.

I'll attach a link to an old thread here. I think you will find the discussion interesting.

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/yeh-rishtey-hai-pyaar-ke/5143094/too-mera-nanko-nahi-ho-sakta

Originally posted by: Appu1981

I don’t think the main issue is that people feel one couple is superior than the other. I am a die heart Mishbir fan but I like Kuku also. However, the way the writers are executing both stories is a major issue. Their constant need to show parallels is problematic. If one couple is in a song sequence, they add the other couple to the mix and then it’s like a tennis match and neither fandom is able to appreciate the efforts of the team. Editing of scenes is choppy. I am okay if they develop kuku story properly, instead of these half baked scenes and tracks and imposing both couples in between each other’s scenes. And what is the bloody rush. It’s as if the writers have a train to catch. Neither of the couples are having a heartfelt conversation.
the marriage track of mishbir was awaited since long. But in the name of drama they have made a khichdi and done justice to neither couples. Kuhu had a very beautiful character development post leap, which they have kind of ruined. Make her grey, but no they are making her into meenu part 2.
so these are the reasons so much criticism is being thrown at the writers. It’s as if they have a lot to say and they want to vomit all tracks at the same time. It would do them a lot of good if they rein in.

Hi Appu! I completely agree with what you're saying. They haven't given either couple the space and time to develop properly in the last few weeks.

I am assuming that you're talking about the recent haldi song sequence. I personally quite liked the way it was done. In the last few months, I've realised that DKP chooses songs for their lyrics. So, if you listen to the lyrics, you'll realise why a particular couple was shown during a particular verse.

P.S. the backlash that I am talking about is something that I have seen happen in almost every post that I have recently interacted in. It may not be everyone but there are a few people who are just posting negative stuff about characters. I mean I get that they're fictional but it completely ruins the mood and makes it harder to have an unbiased discussion.

Originally posted by: aquaHP

Hi Appu! I completely agree with what you're saying. They haven't given either couple the space and time to develop properly in the last few weeks.

I am assuming that you're talking about the recent haldi song sequence. I personally quite liked the way it was done. In the last few months, I've realised that DKP chooses songs for their lyrics. So, if you listen to the lyrics, you'll realise why a particular couple was shown during a particular verse.

P.S. the backlash that I am talking about is something that I have seen happen in almost every post that I have recently interacted in. It may not be everyone but there are a few people who are just posting negative stuff about characters. I mean I get that they're fictional but it completely ruins the mood and makes it harder to have an unbiased discussion.

I feel if we do not like how a character is onscreen it’s okay to be vocal. That’s the beauty of getting involved in the story. U are bashing the character not the actor. For me Jasmeet, meenu, kuhu and Kunal are some of the characters that I don’t like from time to time and I say so. However, I agree that this should not get personal. Kaveri is a beautiful artist and people should not disrespect her on a personal level.

I too liked the haldi song, but I felt kuku needed to talk instead of singing a song and romancing 2 hours before the finalization of their divorce. Kunal dressing up as a girl and his antics made no sense to me. Instead he should have been upfront and spoken to kuhu. So I couldn’t enjoy their portion. Also, to fit in their portion abir n mishti’s haldi was shown in a supersonic speed( hence my ranting about the writing/ editing)

I also feel the character bashing is sort of misplaced anger of the audience as there is a lot of frustration with the writing. I feel the writers can do so much better with both love stories along with a bit of drama.

Originally posted by: aquaHP

That's so cool! I am looking for a career change and want to shift to a form of story telling but I have a long way to go before I reach somewhere substantial. Coming to the show, I get what you're saying. This show had a charm in the beginning that set it apart from other ITV shows. I was really intrigued at the start because all the characters were so interesting, layered and properly fleshed out. It was clearly visible that they had worked very hard to create each character but with time, the characters have become one dimensional. The leap had brought a bit of stability back to the story but now they seem to be losing it again.

@bold - I have definitely seen that happening in the few posts that I have created or tried to interact in. Post leap, people were more open to discussing both couples and so, it was possible to discuss the story arc but not anymore. As you said, people's feelings are heavily invested in a couple of their choice.

I have mentioned this in another post also that I have become like a brand ambassador of the KuKu AT because I keep advertising it to people to come and share their views and opinions. There are a whole bunch of people on that AT who like discussing the story and characters but as the name suggests, it's more KuKu centric. We do discuss the overall arc most of the time but most of the participants have stopped posting on the forum because of the backlash from emotionally invested fans. People seem to just want to discuss one couple and no other character so most of them just stick to the AT. Since I am still pretty new to the forum, I try making posts covering as many characters as possible but it does feel like I will stop doing that pretty soon.

I'll attach a link to an old thread here. I think you will find the discussion interesting.

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/yeh-rishtey-hai-pyaar-ke/5143094/too-mera-nanko-nahi-ho-sakta

I hope you take up writing, even if it is on a ad hoc basis. Look up story telling, developing characters and etc. 😊 Just write and hone your craft.

Like I said I am a long term member of IF so I know how these forums works. It is cyber bullying at it's kindest! Especially worse when groups form and you cannot say anything to one group about the other. Camps forming is something I thought IF was getting rid of that. 😔🤔

I also think the demographic of the users has a lot to do with it as well. Really concerns me what some users will say and do without pausing to think. At the end of the day, Misbir/KuKu are figment of someone (s) imagination and you are using your dp to attack someone because you can get away with it rather than be mature and engage in a debate respecting one another's POV. Even me, I cannot even begin to guess what is going through the writers mind because 1. every writer given the same starting point will come up with something totally different. 2. in daily soaps you need a roomful of writers to come up with ideas, then someone else writes the dialogues then while filming the actors might give their input so things get chopped/re-written till it no longer resembles the original.

What drew me to this show is what you mentioned. I was totally amazed at the quality of writing, story telling and the strong GMC of the characters. I thought wow, this is good and settled in to watch whenever I can. Sometimes I would have months of episode to catch up and I enjoyed it all so much because it was quality writing. Then immediately post leap I started noticing the changes and shifts. Layers that was introdiced beforehand was dropped or totally ignored. Kuku's growth was cut short that it was almost painful to watch. And I knew kitchen politic was coming. So disappointing. As a writer, I think Kuku can be redeemed but if it continues like this that may be not so the case. I actually feel sorry for the real life actors, their lives aren't easy being typecasted in indian shows so quickly!

Good that you can discuss arc, not many even understand that or try to see story through that. I had a deja vu moment in the episode thread a short while ago, trying to get people to understand story POVs, growth and characteristics plus symbolism....didn't get anywhere much.😃

I love Misbir and I was beginning to warm up to KuKu. I like discussing both but not interested in getting into arguments or being defensive as I can tell many people do not even understand what I am talking about - curse of a writer trying to explain in not so many words about things like arcs/growth/ personality v characteristics/ internal v external conflicts and etc...🤣

Will go through the thread when I can. Nice talking to you. 🤗

Originally posted by: Appu1981

I don’t think the main issue is that people feel one couple is superior than the other. I am a die heart Mishbir fan but I like Kuku also. However, the way the writers are executing both stories is a major issue. Their constant need to show parallels is problematic. If one couple is in a song sequence, they add the other couple to the mix and then it’s like a tennis match and neither fandom is able to appreciate the efforts of the team. Editing of scenes is choppy. I am okay if they develop kuku story properly, instead of these half baked scenes and tracks and imposing both couples in between each other’s scenes. And what is the bloody rush. It’s as if the writers have a train to catch. Neither of the couples are having a heartfelt conversation.
the marriage track of mishbir was awaited since long. But in the name of drama they have made a khichdi and done justice to neither couples. Kuhu had a very beautiful character development post leap, which they have kind of ruined. Make her grey, but no they are making her into meenu part 2.
so these are the reasons so much criticism is being thrown at the writers. It’s as if they have a lot to say and they want to vomit all tracks at the same time. It would do them a lot of good if they rein in.

@ bold - so agree.

Not to bash on about it but Misbir are the leads so at least 60% of the story should be on them. The rest secondary and remaining characters. I think in many ways this was happening but now like you said they have made a mess of it, not giving justice to each character at all - that really hurts me because I can so much potential and so many ways the story could have gone without descending into kitchen politics. What I really liked was the sense of love and bonding between Misti and Kuku and now it was like Kuku hates her and could kill her. When I go back to those episode the tears in Kuku's eyes for M was true - my heavens, writers should have had a field day with that burgeoning love between the psuedo-sisters.

@ red - I asked one of the user in the episode thread if writers have been changed ( I don't read/speak hindi so cannot tell when episode started) and she said it looks like it. Makes sense because of the choppy wayt things are.

If anyone can find out who the writer(s) are before and who are now, I would really appreciate it.🤗

Originally posted by: Appu1981

I feel if we do not like how a character is onscreen it’s okay to be vocal. That’s the beauty of getting involved in the story. U are bashing the character not the actor. For me Jasmeet, meenu, kuhu and Kunal are some of the characters that I don’t like from time to time and I say so. However, I agree that this should not get personal. Kaveri is a beautiful artist and people should not disrespect her on a personal level.

I too liked the haldi song, but I felt kuku needed to talk instead of singing a song and romancing 2 hours before the finalization of their divorce. Kunal dressing up as a girl and his antics made no sense to me. Instead he should have been upfront and spoken to kuhu. So I couldn’t enjoy their portion. Also, to fit in their portion abir n mishti’s haldi was shown in a supersonic speed( hence my ranting about the writing/ editing)

I also feel the character bashing is sort of misplaced anger of the audience as there is a lot of frustration with the writing. I feel the writers can do so much better with both love stories along with a bit of drama.

I feel the same! It's 100% okay to be vocal but I'm just concerned with the way it is said. I get that everyone has a different way of expressing their opinions but is it so difficult for some people to see each other's perspective without getting offended if our opinions don't match?🙁

Bashing a character is also fine but people have an issue with even discussing the motivations of that character for behaving so. Most of the people here are game to discuss until and unless you have an opposing view. Then suddenly, it becomes a fight to prove how my opinion is better than yours. That is what I have an issue with. I mean, we are all different people seeing the show separately. We are all entitled to our opinion but the beauty of being in a forum is to be able to discuss the show and understand the characters and show arc in detail.

Coming to the haldi sequence, they definitely needed to have a talk. They still do. I have been waiting for a conversation which hopefully we'll get next week. But I do feel a grand gesture like that was needed for Kuhu to pause and be in a mindset where she would want to talk with Kunal rather than fight and leave like she did in the RV house. They were going to talk after that but the divorce truth came out.

I think all of us felt that the wedding functions weren't done properly. And I personally thought the cross-dressing thing was not needed, nor as a plot device nor as a way to add humour. I even made a post on that but nobody on the forum responded.

@bold - 💯

Originally posted by: Dreamygal301

Good that you can discuss arc, not many even understand that or try to see story through that. I had a deja vu moment in the episode thread a short while ago, trying to get people to understand story POVs, growth and characteristics plus symbolism....didn't get anywhere much.😃

I love Misbir and I was beginning to warm up to KuKu. I like discussing both but not interested in getting into arguments or being defensive as I can tell many people do not even understand what I am talking about - curse of a writer trying to explain in not so many words about things like arcs/growth/ personality v characteristics/ internal v external conflicts and etc...🤣

Oh, I am sorry that we were not able to understand your POV/stroy/growth/symbolism/arc in the episode thread!

But you also have to respect that this is how a common viewer watches, perceives and interprets the show. Not everyone is a writer and they don't have to be!

Originally posted by: SheThought

Oh, I am sorry that we were not able to understand your POV/stroy/growth/symbolism/arc in the episode thread!

But you also have to respect that this is how a common viewer watches, perceives and interprets the show. Not everyone is a writer and they don't have to be!

🤗 Sorry dear, I wasn't aiming this at anyone. It's more of a run-on response combining current and old experiences. I doubt I had the time to talk about everything listed 😳. Was dashing in and out of IF due to checking something somewhere else.

So right though, shouldn't get technical..lol, I actually mentioned this problem elsewhere in this thread and how it creates misunderstanding...

🤗