If Abhira is next - Page 3

Originally posted by: cutepigs

And that's the point. She believed Kairav can never hurt anyone even when all proofs were against him, and Kairav, has gone through this trauma twice, when he was blamed for pushing someone because of circumstances. Akshara truly believes she is completely blameless in what happened to Neil, whether right or wrong isn't the point, and hence, she apparently still has trauma with being blamed for his and Sirat's death, so for people who have gone through this twice, and then hated the people who blamed them (Kairav even hated his own mother), it won't make sense if they believe with their eyes closed, no matter who the blame is being pointed to. And if they do, then they need to be accepting of the "negative" tag because even though they went through the same, they didn't learn even empathy, forget sympathy.

I said it should happen that ways because else it shows no growth for the brother and sister, and without that growth, it makes no sense for Abhimanyu to even keep a relationship with anyone in Goenkas except his 2 kids. Mahaan FL needs to mean a growing FL. I didn't find any flaw in her moving on with Abhinav, I found and still find flaw in the way they both made sure Abhimanyu is wiped from Abhir's life, even if he wins.

@bold: they don't make sense; that is the whole point. If anyone in the show thought logically, we wouldn't have a show at all. The whole story is about people not thinking logically.

At this point, for the Goenkas and for Ak, Abhi is such a monster to them that they can believe pretty much anything. The past few episodes have been about Bp and Kairav not trusting that Abhi can also sacrifice and be good. And, like, hasn't he been doing this from the beginning? With Bp itself, his relationship is still good because he has never taken any offense at all the horrible things Bp has said and done to him. And then he is always ready to work for them, to save them, to do pretty much everything with all the blames and mind games they play. With Kairav, even after all the horrible things kairav has said to him, he was happy to help with his wedding. Even in his family, we see this over and over again. The problem during Anisha's time wasn't that Abhi didn't trust Ak or thought Kairav actually killed her. But he saw the pain other people were in and reacted to that. And Mahima and them weren't even that close, but he still put them over his personal needs of being with Ak. And then, when the blame finally fell on Mahima, she gaslighted him and Manjari and was like, it's because you don't trust your wife.

It's been the same drama over and over again. Even in this, I am sure Ak will find some way to make Abhi responsible for her actions. At most, I expect an apology or acknowledgment that she hurt Abhi. But that's about it. Abhi used to try demanding an apology and stuff, but over time, that also started being labeled as an issue. His whole personality is an issue, apparently. So he is actively second-guessing himself now and believing the blame people put on him.

Originally posted by: R.G.C

Yeah, I do agree to the point that both leads are at fault. That’s why I feel expectations to mend things should also not be on one. And telling Abhir to call Abhim Dada is like forcing him. The kid is surely uncomfortable otherwise wo khud Dada se Docman kyun banaega Abhim ko? Anyways, keeping that aside, the point is Akshara’s redemption is often talked but has Abhim redeemed himself too? And when I said he pushes people away if things don’t go as per him, I was referring to the scene where Abhir tries to hug Abhimanyu and he pushes him. Jo bhi ho jaye you are the adult in this, and that kid is a kid, bachho ko kaise treat karna hai itna to decency hona chahiye, bhale hi kitna bhi dil kyun na toota ho kisika. And about being controlling, let me just not start there😆. And no I am not denying Akshara’s faults, she has done her fair share of mistakes but having this expectation only from her to trust him is not right IMO, because as per the current story they are not on the same page, and considering Abhimanyu having broken her trust because of his own mistrust, it is no more easy for Ak to trust him back either. She in fact said it herself when Manju’s kaand was revealed post MuKa ki shadi earlier, that she can not trust them. Trust is not something jo ainvai de di jaye, you should have that kind of bond first. Abhira bond was long broken😆. And if expectations are kept only from one end to show trust in order to rebuild the relationship, then I don’t see where the neutrality lies

The expectation is not from Akshara to build the bond again, the expectation is from Akshara to see Abhimanyu has been trying to change for better for his son, so him doing such a deed as killing a man he only handed his son over to, isn't possible. The expectation is from her also to show some growth, the way Abhimanyu has been showing. He pushed Abhir away because he doesn't want the pity love the child is giving him, and both he and the child are aware of it. Akshara didn't have to force Abhir to call him Dada, just explain to him that his mumma and papa understand his love. They were the ones who made a face when Abhir said Dada, and the kid used that to give pain to his parents, there was no other need for him to call Abhimanyu Dada in front of his parents. There is a lack of mature parenting from Akshara and Abhinav, who might have taught him about financial problems and their perfect family, but not about relationships and their complications. Akshara felt sad Abhir left Abhimanyu, but she never felt guilty for how she sent Abhir or how she and her husband broke the news of Abhir's father wanting to take him when all Abhimanyu asked for was time and acknowledgment of being his father. Akshara needs to take those steps because that is where she messed up, and if she believes this murder theory and tells their son also, then she fails as a mother yet again who put her hate before her son.

Abhimanyu cannot take the step towards mending Abhira, he never moved from there, Akshara did, so she will need to be the one who moves, and if she continues hating Abhimanyu, the story doesn't move and goes in circles.

I still say, I would love to see if Akshara believes her BP and sends Abhimanyu to jail because according to her, aankho dekha, as in Kairav's case, galat ho sakta hai, she wasn't ok with her brother being in jail for the same reason, that there is no proof.

Originally posted by: LadooCandy

Even if akshara shows the slightest sign of trusting abhimanyu, would it be all to redeem her of her crimes , manipulations , disrespectful behavior.

And all things aside , would she be accepted after moving on from her second husband as well , as it was understandable with abhimanyu's case because she was a bad wife but for abhinav she indeed deemed him as her soul love.

How insensitive it would have appeared if any man was shown to move on after the death of his wife whom he claimed to love and fostered a child with for 6 years . Since akshara is clearly gonna go back and act like she loves abhimanyu , it can be inferred that she loves none but just herself.

Her father had a soul love with her mother and around a year after her death, married her look alike because he fell in love with her. So that kinda runs in the family.

Originally posted by: lagjagale

@bold: they don't make sense; that is the whole point. If anyone in the show thought logically, we wouldn't have a show at all. The whole story is about people not thinking logically.

At this point, for the Goenkas and for Ak, Abhi is such a monster to them that they can believe pretty much anything. The past few episodes have been about Bp and Kairav not trusting that Abhi can also sacrifice and be good. And, like, hasn't he been doing this from the beginning? With Bp itself, his relationship is still good because he has never taken any offense at all the horrible things Bp has said and done to him. And then he is always ready to work for them, to save them, to do pretty much everything with all the blames and mind games they play. With Kairav, even after all the horrible things kairav has said to him, he was happy to help with his wedding. Even in his family, we see this over and over again. The problem during Anisha's time wasn't that Abhi didn't trust Ak or thought Kairav actually killed her. But he saw the pain other people were in and reacted to that. And Mahima and them weren't even that close, but he still put them over his personal needs of being with Ak. And then, when the blame finally fell on Mahima, she gaslighted him and Manjari and was like, it's because you don't trust your wife.

It's been the same drama over and over again. Even in this, I am sure Ak will find some way to make Abhi responsible for her actions. At most, I expect an apology or acknowledgment that she hurt Abhi. But that's about it. Abhi used to try demanding an apology and stuff, but over time, that also started being labeled as an issue. His whole personality is an issue, apparently. So he is actively second-guessing himself now and believing the blame people put on him.

@bold: she'll come and say "hum jiske sabse kareeb hote, uspe hi toh gussa kar paate hai kyunki usse hi expectations hoti hai and meri toh hamesha tumse rahi hai ki tum meri khushi pehle rakhoge, isliye jab jab aisa nai hua, main gussa ho gayi". Because at the end of the day, it is Abhimanyu's fault to put up with her crap after all the screaming, manipulations and games she has played with him and Abhir. I am not a parent so maybe can't understand, but if my child did what Abhir did, I would have walked away for good because the kid doesn't love Abhimanyu now, he pities him, he stopped loving him the day he found out Abhimanyu was his father, what was left was first a forcing because his parents didn't want him so at least he had somewhere to go, and now pity because he knows Abhimanyu loves him when he doesn't even care enough about Abhimanyu to have a conversation with him, thus the card and all, to show that "love" which can't in words and person.

I get it that you have expectations from Ak, but why are there none from Abhim? That is my point. As I mentioned earlier building trust is a two way thing. And no I don’t see any growth in Abhimanyu, might be we are viewing things from different perspectives Idk, but that is how it is. No matter what, Abhir is a child, and Abhim treating him that way is not cool. We expect maturity from adults, not 6 year olds. And about Ak trusting Abhim, the guy has not done anything as such to win her trust so that kind of expectation is not right. Neither do I expect Abhimanyu to understand Ak right now, nor the opposite, because there has been a lot of differences between them in recent times which cannot vanish just like that. Both need to build back that trust organically with time rather than just randomly out of nowhere. That’s not an idealistic situation, Abhim also failed to trust Ak when she was telling him that Kairav didn’t kill Anisha, Abhim also failed to trust her when she was telling him she did not reveal Neil’s DNA test result, Abhim did not trust her during WD either, and all these times they still had the husband-wife relationship binding them. So, why set such expectations from Akshara to trust Abhim over BP while Abhim-Ak don’t have any relationship binding them close anymore? Sorry to say but I don’t see how that viewpoint is neutral either

Originally posted by: cutepigs

@bold: she'll come and say "hum jiske sabse kareeb hote, uspe hi toh gussa kar paate hai kyunki usse hi expectations hoti hai and meri toh hamesha tumse rahi hai ki tum meri khushi pehle rakhoge, isliye jab jab aisa nai hua, main gussa ho gayi". Because at the end of the day, it is Abhimanyu's fault to put up with her crap after all the screaming, manipulations and games she has played with him and Abhir. I am not a parent so maybe can't understand, but if my child did what Abhir did, I would have walked away for good because the kid doesn't love Abhimanyu now, he pities him, he stopped loving him the day he found out Abhimanyu was his father, what was left was first a forcing because his parents didn't want him so at least he had somewhere to go, and now pity because he knows Abhimanyu loves him when he doesn't even care enough about Abhimanyu to have a conversation with him, thus the card and all, to show that "love" which can't in words and person.

I think Abhir does love Abhi but as a friend and nothing to the extent of a parent. For kids that age, parents are that special because they are a constant in their lives and someone always to fall back on. For Abhir, that has always been Ak and Nav. But it does seem weird to me that he had no interest in knowing more about his birth parent. And the part I just got disconnected with him was on accepting Abhi as dadda and then rejecting and basically playing with someone's emotions for personal gain. I don't think kids do that so seamlessly; it is more of a writing issue.

But I feel sorry for Abhir. If Nav had not died, he would have grown up in Kasauli. And Abhir might not have any feelings of identity crisis ( though we saw a little of that) or haq right now. He may not understand these things completely. But if he grew up like this, won't he feel jealous of Ruhi eventually, who gets all of Abhi's love and attention? Won't he ever think about what is rightfully his and how he has been denied that? Won't he start feeling left out when Ruhi is getting the love and support of both families, but he isn't? And this isn't even scratching at all the financial implications cause the Rishta universe is stupid.

At some point, he will realize what he lost by saying no to Abhi, but then who will he have to blame? Abhi will continue to be a constant in his life and continue trying to be there for him as a friend. But ultimately, he will lose out on all the father-son stuff he could have done with Abhi. The loss is not just for Abhi but for Abhir too, like a simple thing of how Abhi explained his anger issues because he understands them. Nav doesn't. Or how Abhi knew Abhir would be upset about hiding the truth, or how he knew what Abhir was going through due to Ak's rejection, etc.

The fact is that a whole relationship that could be was lost because of Ak's stupidity - and until she understands that, there can be no healing for anyone.

I think Akshara knows how it feels to be blamed when innocent..she was in a similar situation years back..so she should understand Abhimanyu’s situation..He is willing to care Abhinav and do his surgery..he was also trying to save Abhinav who slipped and fell..which indicates he is probably innocent..though drinking near the cliff was not the best decision taken by both Abhinav and Abhimanyu..

Originally posted by: cutepigs

If Abhira is supposed to be the next ship, the only way it would seem natural, is if Akshara redeems herself when it comes to believing Abhi. She was also on the cliff and saw the same things as BP, and she knows from day 1 what kind of person Abhimanyu is, she knows he saves life by giving his all, and the only time she sort of got angry on him was when the machines caught fire, and that time also she said his "laparwahi" , she knew it can never be deliberate.

When Muskaan does this, I was Akshara to stand by Abhimanyu and say this to her and BP, that she knows Abhimanyu as a person and he would never do what you guys are accusing him of. She has only mistrusted him till now, even when he was trying to get Abhir to reduce his temper on Akshara and Abhinav, it was her and her pati handling the situation that made Abhir so uncomfortable because they painted Abhimanyu the boogeyman even before the custody started. Abhimanyu has shown complete trust in Akshara throughout this journey, yes he didn't trust her when it came to legal action, but then she was the first one to threaten, so it seems a natural jump.

I think only Manjiri will believe him. The rest won't.

Abhir and Ruhi are a toss-up with one believing him and the other won't.

Arohi will pick a side then flip back and pretend she never took a side.

Kairav will make everything worse and that is guaranteed.

With Akshara it can go both ways.

It would make sense if she didn't trust him because she puts her family above everything. Her character always valued her family's opinions or feelings despite how much her so-called family abused her. So, it's possible that she blindly believes Manish. Also, as viewers we watched her degrading his character as a father and a human being for seven months so her sudden "trust" in him won't be believable. Makers can stretch the drama with this option.

Other the hand, the maker showed a pregnant woman with a complicated pregnancy blindly trusting and following a stranger she met on the bus home then marrying him five months later in 2023. Her believing the father of her child, who gave up the child that she denied to him for six years is innocent might be the most rational thing she did the entire leap lol.

It all depends on which narrative they think will get them TRPs. Honestly, I think the theories on the forum will be better than whatever they show lol.

Originally posted by: R.G.C

I don’t know whom was your comment addressed to because there are so many people tagged, but since I am also tagged here😆, this is my reply.

She believed Kairav was innocent because she knew both Kairav and Anisha, by then. She was aware of Anisha’s affair too, so I am sure she had a judgement of her by then. Kairav was her brother, they had a relation between them, so she had that trust on him too. In current situation, Abhimanyu has no relation with Akshara, in fact he broke her trust long back, so there is no point of her trusting him over her BP😆. And this is not the same case as Neil’s death. Neil ko gundo ne mara tha tab bhi blame Akshara pe gaya tha, yaha Akshara ke khudke BP is claiming to have seem Abhimanyu pushing Abhinav😆. Negligence was shown in both cases by both pairs (Ak-Neil and Navmanyu) but still it’s neither Abhimanyu’s fault now, nor was it Akshara’s fault back then😆, just some really poor decision making skills🤣.

Anyways, in current scenario Akshara has no reason to trust Abhimanyu. I am sure when she was married to him she must have trusted him too, but still WD happened😆. Right now there is infinite amount of sourness and distrust in their relationship which is perfectly understandable considering the situations they are in, so expecting her to trust the Abhimanyu Birla she used to know 6-7 years back is pointless, lol.

Not just FL, Mahan ML also needs to grow up and realise his mistakes🤣. He cannot just go around and try to make others live on his sharte. He is also still the same. The way he treated Abhir earlier was the same as he he treated Ak back then, pushing/throwing people away if things don’t go as per his wish😆. Abhim also needs to apologise to Akshara properly. Saying just, “I am sorry, mujhe Sirat maa wali baat nahi bolni chahiye thi” says nothing, to Abhim- no bro tune aur bhi bohot kuch bola aur kiya tha jiske liye you should be sorry😆. And Ak did apologise to Abhim for causing this situation in that episode where he gives Abhir back to them, but she was criticised anyways for rubbing salt to his wounds, to uss se better hai bandi na hi sorry bole🤣. Bole to problem, na bole to problem, to zarurat hi kya hai efforts daalne ke😆.

Abhira anyways does not make much sense anymore, DKP is just going to experiment with them until TRPs tank again😆. Post that either Gen4 or closing the show😆

I believe AK would have not doubted AbhiM at all until BP/Muskaan sows the seed of doubt. AK has been shown to ask AbhiM to help with the surgery so that proves she had no such thoughts abt AbhiM. This is purely BP's doing but I cant blame him either as he has to believe whatever he saw. BP should not have just jumped to his conclusion so soon.