Abhimanyu Birla Vs Harsh Birla - Page 2

Originally posted by: India_TV

I find this reason even more against abhi, if I compare him with harsh...harsh and manjari ki, i belive was arranged marriage and harsh was not happy to be wth manjarii...it was sort of forced for him....

and abhi, who claimed to love akshu, threw her out at her lowest and still has not realised his mitake and said a simple sorry to her!!!

to me it looked like backstabbing her with Seerat ma's thing...he knew she was guit ridde with that dur to arohi...and he used that against her that day....

regarding a good father...

what has abhi done since he has known that abhr is his son? sirf haq and custody battle chod kar???

He knows where abhir was born, uss doctor ko bhi jaanta hai...as a father, he has lost 6 years of abhir's life....use laga nahi ki atelast he should see where abhir ne pehli baar aankhen kholi...aisa kuch nahi dikha abhi ki taraf se....just HAQ chahiye use???

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Sometimes I feel like you guys are watching a different show or have completely skipped like 70% of it. First, Harsh wasn't just abusing Manjari on one day when he lost his brother and kids, he was abusing her every day, all the time. He hated everything that Manjari liked and actively subdued any happiness she could have.

Abhi being a father and wanting to learn more about his son, has been shown explicitly - he is very curious about his son's life and even asked to see pictures of Abhir. The thing is, how can Abhi do anything for his son when he doesn't have the right to, according to Ak and Nav? Akshnav weren't saying we acknowledge you are his father and we can try to do co-parenting. They wanted Abhi OUT, and Ak especially never even wanted to think that Abhi is Abhir's father. Asking for Haq isn't just some unnecessary BS, Abhi literally won't have any place in Abhir's life if he doesn't ask for his Haq.

Sorry, but in this situation, if Abhi doesn't have Haq he has practically nothing. No relationship with his son, and likely his son would be in Kasauli, and he wouldn't even be allowed to visit, or if he did, he would be eyed suspiciously by Ak like he is now. He would have no say in his own son's upbringing. And granting all of that could eventually happen with time, he would still just be a family friend to Abhir. We saw, with even something as simple as dropping Abhir at school and being asked about their relationship he had no answer. All relationships need Haq just like they need love. Usually, haq can come from love like with friends or romantic partners, but society also grants some rights and this comes into play with parents.

Originally posted by: lagjagale

Sometimes I feel like you guys are watching a different show or have completely skipped like 70% of it. First, Harsh wasn't just abusing Manjari on one day when he lost his brother and kids, he was abusing her every day, all the time. He hated everything that Manjari liked and actively subdued any happiness she could have.

Abhi being a father and wanting to learn more about his son, has been shown explicitly - he is very curious about his son's life and even asked to see pictures of Abhir. The thing is, how can Abhi do anything for his son when he doesn't have the right to, according to Ak and Nav? Akshnav weren't saying we acknowledge you are his father and we can try to do co-parenting. They wanted Abhi OUT, and Ak especially never even wanted to think that Abhi is Abhir's father. Asking for Haq isn't just some unnecessary BS, Abhi literally won't have any place in Abhir's life if he doesn't ask for his Haq.

Sorry, but in this situation, if Abhi doesn't have Haq he has practically nothing. No relationship with his son, and likely his son would be in Kasauli, and he wouldn't even be allowed to visit, or if he did, he would be eyed suspiciously by Ak like he is now. He would have no say in his own son's upbringing. And granting all of that could eventually happen with time, he would still just be a family friend to Abhir. We saw, with even something as simple as dropping Abhir at school and being asked about their relationship he had no answer. All relationships need Haq just like they need love. Usually, haq can come from love like with friends or romantic partners, but society also grants some rights and this comes into play with parents.

Abhi loved akshu as she had qualities similar to his mom...harsh hated manjari's singing...so abhi thought that if he lets akshu build up a career in singing, thats enough...baki he wanted her to be a robot...jo uski baat sune...bas....he fell for her selfless nature...and divorced her mercilessly for that selfless act only!!!!

He made akshu trust him and then broke her trust in the worst possible manner....and did not even think about what wrong he has done.....Not sure, but I feel this is one of the worst kinds of DV!!! My POV....

ab kyun haq jamane aaya hai? kis naate se??? he did not even have akshu ka check up done.....ater the iscarriage....and threw her away...abhir and akshu ko almost mar jaate na.....kis baat ka haq bhai??

abhi ne usse kaha ki meri baat kyun nahi sunti....and then he said door ho jao meri zindagi se...and mujhe akshu se ya kid se koi matlab nahi...so akshu ne baat sun li abhi ki....

no regrets, no sorry bas haq and custody!!!

Abhi can never be hb.the major difference between abhi and hb.

1.

Hb blamed manjari for every thing.

Abhi blames himself for everything.

2.

HB only wanted his son and manjari was just care taker for him.

AB only wants the right to be recognized as father. Today's scene itself proves where he motivates akshu to take her law exams. If he was selfish he would demotiavted her instead.

3. HB physically abused manjari.

Abhi respected akshu except when writers needed trp.

4. HB even plotted against his own son along with arohi to keep akshu away from him.

Abhi just motivates abhir and takes all blame never spoke anything ill about abhinav. He just needs time with his son.

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5. HB was greedy and he looked down upon poor ppl.

Abhi even after having so much issues with akshu still came forward to treat her son without knowing it's his son.

There are other instance too. But for now these are enough to prove that ab is not hb.

Originally posted by: India_TV

Abhi loved akshu as she had qualities similar to his mom...harsh hated manjari's singing...so abhi thought that if he lets akshu build up a career in singing, thats enough...baki he wanted her to be a robot...jo uski baat sune...bas....he fell for her selfless nature...and divorced her mercilessly for that selfless act only!!!!

He made akshu trust him and then broke her trust in the worst possible manner....and did not even think about what wrong he has done.....Not sure, but I feel this is one of the worst kinds of DV!!! My POV....

ab kyun haq jamane aaya hai? kis naate se??? he did not even have akshu ka check up done.....ater the iscarriage....and threw her away...abhir and akshu ko almost mar jaate na.....kis baat ka haq bhai??

abhi ne usse kaha ki meri baat kyun nahi sunti....and then he said door ho jao meri zindagi se...and mujhe akshu se ya kid se koi matlab nahi...so akshu ne baat sun li abhi ki....

no regrets, no sorry bas haq and custody!!!

There is so much misrepresentation in this post, honestly.

@bold: Let's unpack this cause I have heard this way too often. Abhi did love Ak's music, and Ak herself felt like her music was her everything. But she wasn't some weird project for him. He never pushed her to form a certain career or anything. He always supported and encouraged her from the sidelines on stuff she herself said she wants to do. If he sometimes did push her, it was when she felt weak - like today for giving her lawyer exam. He wasn't trying to build up a career for her; he was just supporting her dreams.

@Robot ? seriously ? Ak is more of a robot now than she was back then. How can people be so blind that they can't see how happy she was with Abhi? What part of that seemed like a robot exactly? Abhi wasn't like focus on music, or be music star, but don't have any other opinions or ambitions. He supported her whenever he agreed with her. He didn't support her when he didn't agree, and that is all. Disagreements can happen between two people, doesn't mean someone wants the other person to be a robot. Many times he did say why didn't you listen - but that happened after he asked her to do something many times and she didn't listen and then there was some huge mess that Abhi had to take care of. How is he wrong in that ? Even friends tell each other I told you so. How is this any different? Seriously you guys have either not seen anything before the leap or just forgotten everything and written a false narrative.

@Even, I agree with this. He fell for her selfless nature and divorced her for it. But that was the dichotomy from the beginning. Ak's Achilles heel and Abhi's clashed and tore them apart. They weren't able to overcome their worst instincts. In Ak's case, I don't feel it's her selfless nature that is that much of an issue for Abhi. It's the stupid decisions, the lack of communication, and the wanting to do everything herself part he always had an issue with. He didn't want her to get involved in things herself, he wanted her to bring issues to him, and he would solve them, or they would solve them together. Does this represent a lack of trust? Yep, it definitely does. But that is the main issue, not so much selfless stuff.

@Lol, I am sorry, but you can't just say something is DV, and it makes it DV. Breaking someone's trust is not DV. Throwing stuff around them, divorcing right after a miscarriage, etc. might be - but even that is debatable, given the circumstances. Please don't just call everything DV, its a serious topic.

@Again, this has been debated heavily. But I expressed why I think Haq is important for Abhi and why he is fighting for it in terms of a parent and child. He did not lose his haq on Abhir cause he mistreated Ak. That just doesn't happen. Ak herself knows full well that if Abhi knew about Abhir, he would have been there. This is not about Ak-Abhi; it's about a son and his father. Abhi knows what he did was wrong; he has expressed guilt and regret many times by now. If people want to just ignore that, fine.

But to say that he is just talking about Haq and custody, and that makes him a bad father, is kind of circular logic. He wants to be a father, so he is a bad father. If he is a good father, what should he do in this situation? Not want to be a part of his son's life? Not fight for a chance to be his father? Lol, what are your expectations here? I know it's complicated, but to say he is a bad father for fighting for a right to be in his son's life doesn't compile.

Originally posted by: lagjagale

Abhi and Harsh were widely different. Both had a lot of anger, that is true, but to compare them is really stupid. Abhi loved Ak and supported her in most instances; he has also been angry with her and done extreme things in anger, and so has she.....but that's not abuse ( except for white day). The white day itself, there were a lot of reasons, and I don't want to discuss that again. But it's one day.

Harsh, on the other hand, tortured Manjari every single day. Infact, his every action was taken to torture her. He reduced her to a shadow of a person who lived only to serve others, and whenever she expressed any wishes, he trampled on them- to the extent that Manjari was literally surprised when Ak asked her what she likes to eat cause NO ONE had done that before. Harsh plain and simple hated Manjari ( we don't know the reason why ). He also had an affair, and Neil was his child. He was going to leave Manjari for the other woman when he learned that she was pregnant with Abhi, so decided to stay. Basically, their marriage or whatever was broken very early on, and he hated her and took revenge on her every single day. Abhi hated Harsh for his treatment of Manjari, but also for his treatment of everyone else. He repeatedly pointed out how Harsh has no respect for anyone else's feelings and doesn't care if he hurts anyone.

Abhi is extremely different, and I just can't understand why people keep comparing the two, even in the show. Abhi has done terrible things in anger - but he has never tried to insult or subjugate Ak. I think that if Abhi had not divorced Ak, and he continued to believe she killed his brother and their kids, he would have grown to hate her too. But I don't believe it would have resulted in him taunting her and trying to pull her down at every instance. He would have simply ended the relationship. So whether or not in his anger, I am glad the divorce happened. The issue is how it happened and what Abhi did after that ( not looking for Ak ).

So all he standing up for Akshara against Arohi is of no sense then when he too did the same like Arohi to Akshara.

My question is why would Akshara to be blamed in the first place ? Does he think she killed Neil or she wanted him to be dead? Even about the kids , don't he think she will also be in same pain? If only he loved her.

Harsh who married against his will and Abhimanyu who married his love but failed to respect and understand their partner

Originally posted by: firewings_diya

Abhi can never be hb.the major difference between abhi and hb.

1.

Hb blamed manjari for every thing.

Abhi blames himself for everything.

He blamed Akshara n divorced her

2.

HB only wanted his son and manjari was just care taker for him.

AB only wants the right to be recognized as father. Today's scene itself proves where he motivates akshu to take her law exams. If he was selfish he would demotiavted her instead.

Sometimes his actions fails to what he say.

3. HB physically abused manjari.

Abhi respected akshu except when writers needed trp.

Abhimanyu reason is trp but Harsh enjoys abusing?

4. HB even plotted against his own son along with arohi to keep akshu away from him.

Abhi just motivates abhir and takes all blame never spoke anything ill about abhinav. He just needs time with his son.

When his mother manipulated him, it didn't even took him a minute to blame Akshnav when abhinav fell down

5. HB was greedy and he looked down upon poor ppl.

Abhi even after having so much issues with akshu still came forward to treat her son without knowing it's his son.

Isn't it his profession? Akshara also came to him bcoz she don't have any option left

There are other instance too. But for now these are enough to prove that ab is not hb.

See I too understand he loved Akshara but his impulsive actions resulted him look like no less than Harsh. Imagine if he is not the lead character, then he also will be blamed....

Originally posted by: Sushma_Reddy

See I too understand he loved Akshara but his impulsive actions resulted him look like no less than Harsh. Imagine if he is not the lead character, then he also will be blamed....

As I said abhimanyu character was ruined when they took a leap that includes all these instance that you mentioned.

But he is back on track.

Atleast he is not like AA who just wants to publicly remind akshara every time that he is not abhir's father.

He keep his cool and only speaks when it's necessary. He even asked akshu to inform abhir but she is waiting for right time.

He never spoke about custody battle. It was akshu who challenged him and it was kv who sent him the paper.

Abhinav's was a careless behaviour. I would have done the same thing. If a person is doing stunt on ROAD. Carrying a heart patient child who just had surgery and was about to have SECOND surgery. I would reacted in a same way.

Abhi only suggested about free operations to nav. If he wanted to make akshu beg him and make her come back to him he could have used that opportunity. But he didn't in the end if you just want to see negative sides of him and ignore all his good deeds then i can't help 🙂 peace😇

Originally posted by: Sushma_Reddy

See I too understand he loved Akshara but his impulsive actions resulted him look like no less than Harsh. Imagine if he is not the lead character, then he also will be blamed....

People are not defending him because he is a lead but because certain people can understand human emotions like anger/frustration/hopelessness. It was the weakest point of Akshara’s life - she needed and deserved support - agreed. But it was the lowest point of Abhimanyu’s life too - something most people have a difficulty comprehending because its easier to pick a side and blame the other than to look at both’s issues and find a resolution.

Yes he lost control in his anger - can the things he said/did be justified - no! However, I love someone with such anger - its not easy - when that anger takes over - all reasoning and empathy disappears. They just want to say things that would hurt you to the same level as the hurt inside them.Do they mean everything they say in anger - no! They don’t even remember the details later - that’s how anger completely consumes a person’s psyche when it takes over. If it’s too much for someone - its completely okay to walk out of the relationship- but if you can see where the anger is coming from - loss/pain - you can have a beautiful relationship.

There is no right or wrong here. It is about personal choices. No one in life is perfect, when you love someone - you choose to accept them with their flaws n all and work on your bond and overtime even that anger starts fading since they too start to understand you better. So what flaws or weaknesses you are willing to work on is a personal preference - not a question of right and wrong or good and evil.

Just because he is not the type for some doesn’t mean he is a bad person or doesn’t deserve happiness in life. And now people have such unreasonable hatred towards him that even his goodness is viewed as his duty/responsibility rather than being appreciated. You can forget a thousand good deeds of a person but you would always remember the one wrong he did - that’s how he is being continuously judged.

I have said this before and I would say again - both of them were at their breaking point back then. And neither could have made things better for the other! The way the separated was awful - but that separation was definitely required. He could be a wrong match for Akshara for many but he is not a wrong person. And I being a woman who has suffered miscarriage- fully aware of the trauma attached to it - choose to empathize with Abhimanyu(but not his family) - and I have no guilt/regret for it. I have seen men too having an emotional breakdown - even a year after miscarriages. Men too are entitled to feel loss. Could Abhimanyu learn to better manage his emotions so he doesn’t take decisions impulsively? - definitely and he should get to work on it.

Originally posted by: lagjagale

There is so much misrepresentation in this post, honestly.

@bold: Let's unpack this cause I have heard this way too often. Abhi did love Ak's music, and Ak herself felt like her music was her everything. But she wasn't some weird project for him. He never pushed her to form a certain career or anything. He always supported and encouraged her from the sidelines on stuff she herself said she wants to do. If he sometimes did push her, it was when she felt weak - like today for giving her lawyer exam. He wasn't trying to build up a career for her; he was just supporting her dreams.

@Robot ? seriously ? Ak is more of a robot now than she was back then. How can people be so blind that they can't see how happy she was with Abhi? What part of that seemed like a robot exactly? Abhi wasn't like focus on music, or be music star, but don't have any other opinions or ambitions. He supported her whenever he agreed with her. He didn't support her when he didn't agree, and that is all. Disagreements can happen between two people, doesn't mean someone wants the other person to be a robot. Many times he did say why didn't you listen - but that happened after he asked her to do something many times and she didn't listen and then there was some huge mess that Abhi had to take care of. How is he wrong in that ? Even friends tell each other I told you so. How is this any different? Seriously you guys have either not seen anything before the leap or just forgotten everything and written a false narrative.

@Even, I agree with this. He fell for her selfless nature and divorced her for it. But that was the dichotomy from the beginning. Ak's Achilles heel and Abhi's clashed and tore them apart. They weren't able to overcome their worst instincts. In Ak's case, I don't feel it's her selfless nature that is that much of an issue for Abhi. It's the stupid decisions, the lack of communication, and the wanting to do everything herself part he always had an issue with. He didn't want her to get involved in things herself, he wanted her to bring issues to him, and he would solve them, or they would solve them together. Does this represent a lack of trust? Yep, it definitely does. But that is the main issue, not so much selfless stuff.

@Lol, I am sorry, but you can't just say something is DV, and it makes it DV. Breaking someone's trust is not DV. Throwing stuff around them, divorcing right after a miscarriage, etc. might be - but even that is debatable, given the circumstances. Please don't just call everything DV, its a serious topic.

@Again, this has been debated heavily. But I expressed why I think Haq is important for Abhi and why he is fighting for it in terms of a parent and child. He did not lose his haq on Abhir cause he mistreated Ak. That just doesn't happen. Ak herself knows full well that if Abhi knew about Abhir, he would have been there. This is not about Ak-Abhi; it's about a son and his father. Abhi knows what he did was wrong; he has expressed guilt and regret many times by now. If people want to just ignore that, fine.

But to say that he is just talking about Haq and custody, and that makes him a bad father, is kind of circular logic. He wants to be a father, so he is a bad father. If he is a good father, what should he do in this situation? Not want to be a part of his son's life? Not fight for a chance to be his father? Lol, what are your expectations here? I know it's complicated, but to say he is a bad father for fighting for a right to be in his son's life doesn't compile.

Abhi loved akshu's music, yes....he sypported her music..yes....and that was mainlt because harsh did not support manjari's musuic...he is inflused by his mom and that can be seen clearly....

abhi did not want akshu to interefer in HIS family matters....to bhai shaadi kyun ki?? agar akshu ko family ka part nahi banana??? he just wanted akshu to listen to him...jab tak woh karti thi tab tak sahi tha....warna....v have seen manjari harsh anniversary i/ divorse...neil ka adpotuion truth...sab gavah hai.....He just did not treat her as a family!!! and did not want her to interfere in his family matters...

mentally emotionally blaming her for murders is DV...yes...IMO, only hitting and pushing is not DV...for me, this mental torture is a worse wersion of DV...and abhi did that on the white day....

ABhi kept quiet when arohi openly told him that she is going to prioritise ruhi over abhi...he did not question her on that...how can he file for custody and marry arohi who openly does not support this custody...abhit koi toy nahi...hansta khelta baby hai....kaun sa accha father aise baat sun kar vhup rahega???

Originally posted by: firewings_diya

Abhi can never be hb.the major difference between abhi and hb.

1.

Hb blamed manjari for every thing.

Abhi blames himself for everything.

2.

HB only wanted his son and manjari was just care taker for him.

AB only wants the right to be recognized as father. Today's scene itself proves where he motivates akshu to take her law exams. If he was selfish he would demotiavted her instead.

3. HB physically abused manjari.

Abhi respected akshu except when writers needed trp.

4. HB even plotted against his own son along with arohi to keep akshu away from him.

Abhi just motivates abhir and takes all blame never spoke anything ill about abhinav. He just needs time with his son.

.

5. HB was greedy and he looked down upon poor ppl.

Abhi even after having so much issues with akshu still came forward to treat her son without knowing it's his son.

There are other instance too. But for now these are enough to prove that ab is not hb.

abhi is a doctor...and that is his profession...

during the khera time, abhi ne akshu ko divorse papers bhijwa diye the...still for abhi ki mamma akshu came to birla house to stay with abhi for manjari...This is called selflessness!!!!

abhi apna profession nibha raha tha...

jiske liye bhi uski mamma ko problems thi...😂